I know people are talking about Simmonds like he was drafted 1 overall and lit the league on fire. He was loved in LA for his work ethic and passion. Came to Philly and had some success, but everything must end. Now they got the best years out of Simmonds and still get a younger similar player, how can you not like that...PLUS you get another player out of it if they use the 3rd round pick.
- Glak18

This.

I think it is hard to see a player like Simmer go. And people liked him so much they were expecting a lot for him. But I agree. I think it was a decent trade. Not bad by any means. I call it a win win win (Flyers, Preds, and Simmer)

Well he is still only 24 so I am willing to hope he may. Some players bloom later. Not many of those late bloomers score 19 as a rookie.

Maybe we get lucky. Either way, his cap hit will be relatively low.
- MBFlyerfan

Yeah he scored 19 goals as a 22 year old, I would love for Patrick or Lindblom to score 19 for the first time.

This.

I think it is hard to see a player like Simmer go. And people liked him so much they were expecting a lot for him. But I agree. I think it was a decent trade. Not bad by any means. I call it a win win win (Flyers, Preds, and Simmer)
- peesinwind

100000% agree. I hope Simmonds wins a cup.

Well he is still only 24 so I am willing to hope he may. Some players bloom later. Not many of those late bloomers score 19 as a rookie.

Maybe we get lucky. Either way, his cap hit will be relatively low.
- MBFlyerfan

I’m thinking that the key in all this Hartman’s potential talk is that both teams he played for were extremely deep and he was not asked to take a bigger role or responsibility. Think of last season, how some Vegas players looked soooo much better in bigger roles.

It’s an unknown.

OK so I am wrong about UFA part as for your other question, you literally told me to name players via FA this offseason equal to or better than Hartman there was the list. I dont care about getting a player back. I wanted at least a 2nd round pick. My point was I could pick up any of those guys via FA over Hartman. We dont need him. We would have been a lot better off with a 2nd than a 4th. We dont even get a 3rd if NSH is upset in playoffs which is probably likely.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I didn't ask you for a list, MJL did. And he asked at a similar cost. All those players will cost wayyyy more than Hartman.

Wonder why the Kings weren't more of sellers. Going nowhere fast
- bulet13

Don't want to mess with their tanking chemistry.

I’m thinking that the key in all this Hartman’s potential talk is that both teams he played for were extremely deep and he was not asked to take a bigger role or responsibility. Think of last season, how some Vegas players looked soooo much better in bigger roles.

It’s an unknown.
- NC Flyers Fan

I’m thinking that the key in all this Hartman’s potential talk is that both teams he played for were extremely deep and he was not asked to take a bigger role or responsibility. Think of last season, how some Vegas players looked soooo much better in bigger roles.

It’s an unknown.
- NC Flyers Fan

I personally feel it's a trade where Hartman wasn't a great fit in Nashville and if you look back they gave up a decent amount to get him, but Philly sees him more of the guy in Chicago.

Ryan Hartman
2018 5th

for

Victor Ejdsell
2018 1st round
2018 4th round

85 GP 13-13-26 +3 58 PIM (Nashville)
133 GP 27-29-56 +18 128 PIM (Chicago)

Flyers get the guy in Chicago and it will be really good.

I am not evaluating him fully as a be-all-end-all. I was curious to review how he scored his goals. Obviously what he does when he is not scoring is just as important, just like when reviewing Simmonds.

I was actually pleasantly surprised to see he doesn't hesitate to shoot and when he does can pick a spot. Snapshot is pretty quick, likes to one-time and I personally feel the Flyers could use more of that.
- Glak18

I know that you're not. I agree that the Flyers need different kinds of player which is why I think they were correct to move on from Simmonds. I just disagree with those that think they should've because he's not a good player anymore. Not that that I think that Hartman is the right kind of player but he adds depth and maybe some potential. The cap space aspect is where the real potential value could be.

- MBFlyerfan

Impressive part is check out his linemates...

He can generate chances himself without being one of those players that needs a center to get him the puck.

I personally feel it's a trade where Hartman wasn't a great fit in Nashville and if you look back they gave up a decent amount to get him, but Philly sees him more of the guy in Chicago.

Ryan Hartman
2018 5th

for

Victor Ejdsell
2018 1st round
2018 4th round

85 GP 13-13-26 +3 58 PIM (Nashville)
133 GP 27-29-56 +18 128 PIM (Chicago)

Flyers get the guy in Chicago and it will be really good.
- Glak18

What was his shooting % difference?

I know that you're not. I agree that the Flyers need different kinds of player which is why I think they were correct to move on from Simmonds. I just disagree with those that think they should've because he's not a good player anymore. Not that that I think that Hartman is the right kind of player but he adds depth and maybe some potential. The cap space aspect is where the real potential value could be.
- MJL

This is what I don't understand. I am one where I look at cap space as value when making a trade, but how does that cap space help the Flyers THIS year? Now if Simmonds didn't get traded then he most likely wouldn't of gotten re-signed anyway so that same cap space is gained either way.

This is what I don't understand. I am one where I look at cap space as value when making a trade, but how does that cap space help the Flyers THIS year? Now if Simmonds didn't get traded then he most likely wouldn't of gotten re-signed anyway so that same cap space is gained either way.
- Glak18

The trade wasn't made to help this year. It was made for the future. How can you not understand that? It's all part of the decision that went into not re-signing him and trading him.

What was his shooting % difference?
- NC Flyers Fan

I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but...

Chicago 10.2%
Nashville 8.9%

The trade wasn't made to help this year. It was made for the future. How can you not understand that? It's all part of the decision that went into not re-signing him and trading him.
- MJL

If Simmonds was not traded he still would not be re-signed by Philly. Unless you are under the impression if Simmonds wasn't traded that meant a guaranteed extension?

I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but...

Chicago 10.2%
Nashville 8.9%
- Glak18

No, I hadn’t looked it up. Just curious as to if it was higher than average. The goal tape makes him look like a shooter.

If Simmonds was not traded he still would not be re-signed by Philly. Unless you are under the impression if Simmonds wasn't traded that meant a guaranteed extension?
- Glak18

Yes, exactly to the first part. Definite no to the 2nd part. Not sure why this is confusing.

It's quite simple. Hypothetically speaking, re-signing Simmonds would cost say 6.5M. Minus what it's going to cost to re-sign Hartman and that cap space left over can be applied to make another move in the off season. That cap space is part of the value of the trade.

No, I hadn’t looked it up. Just curious as to if it was higher than average. The goal tape makes him look like a shooter.
- NC Flyers Fan

Yeah it does, not many puck pushing goals. I will probably end up watching some shift by shift tape to see how he plays away from the puck. Initial impression and what I remember seeing of him in Chicago and Nashville...I like it.

I was expecting a 2nd and a C prospect, but happy with return.

Yes, exactly to the first part. Definite no to the 2nd part. Not sure why this is confusing.

It's quite simple. Hypothetically speaking, re-signing Simmonds would cost say 6.5M. Minus what it's going to cost to re-sign Hartman and that cap space left over can be applied to make another move in the off season. That cap space is part of the value of the trade.
- MJL

Ok, but here's the issue...

Hypothetically or reality, Simmonds is not re-signing in Philly in any scenario possible. So no matter what 3.9m is off the salary cap next year and forward.

Remember doesn't matter what it would cost to re-sign him, he isn't on the books for even his current salary. So where is the savings?

- MBFlyerfan

We got like 10 of him in lehigh

Ok, but here's the issue...

Hypothetically or reality, Simmonds is not re-signing in Philly in any scenario possible. So no matter what 3.9m is off the salary cap next year and forward.

Remember doesn't matter what it would cost to re-sign him, he isn't on the books for even his current salary. So where is the savings?
- Glak18

I just went through this with him. Trust him. We are the crazy ones.

Ok, but here's the issue...

Hypothetically or reality, Simmonds is not re-signing in Philly in any scenario possible. So no matter what 3.9m is off the salary cap next year and forward.

Remember doesn't matter what it would cost to re-sign him, he isn't on the books for even his current salary. So where is the savings?
- Glak18

There is no issue. Yes it absolutely does matter what it would cost to re-sign him. It's an element to the trade. The savings are obvious.

I just went through this with him. Trust him. We are the crazy ones.
- Just5

I agree.

Bill: "If he is a healthier, less combustible version of Steve Downie for the next 4-5 years, he can help the Flyers."

If

I strongly disliked Steve Downie.

There is no issue. Yes it absolutely does matter what it would cost to re-sign him. It's an element to the trade. The savings are obvious.
- MJL

They can still sign him. What does it have to do with the trade?

Hint - nothing