Remember the other night with Guile and discussing Simmonds leaving the ice...this is you now. Let that sink in....


- Glak18

Zero relevance and makes no sense. The only one who has to let something sink in, is you and the fact that the cap space saved by not resigning Simmonds is part of the deal. What happened to "end of discussion"? LOL Cap ramifications is currency in the NHL and saving future cap space is a part of any deal if it does so. Directly or indirectly.

You are literally putting together 2 separate actions and lumping them together to create your false narrative.

1) Cap Management

The moment they decided not to re-sign Simmonds that action ended, whether it was months ago or 2 mins before the TDL.

2) Trading Wayne Simmonds

They traded Simmonds and got some assets in return. The only way to think cap space savings plays a part in it is for the current contract, which is done at the end of the season. They traded a 3.9m contract for a 875K contract, a savings of roughly 3.1m THIS year. Of course they don't even save that since it is based off the daily accrue owed for the rest of the year.


- Glak18

Cap management is a big part of deciding not to re-sign him. How you can omit this as a factor of part of the trade decision, is comical.

Jori Lehtera was NOT traded, but the Flyers are freeing up 4.7m of cap space next year for not re-signing him....NOT because they didn't trade him.
- Glak18

You make my case here for me. Thanks.

You save future cap space by deciding not to re-sign a player!

The Flyers would've traded Lehtera if they could've.

well (frank)... I'm gonna need a new avatar

Simple...

- Simmonds is a UFA.
- Simmonds was NOT re-signing in Philly whether he was traded today or not.
- Flyers receive 2 assets instead of letting him walk at the end of the year.


- Glak18

None of this is in dispute

MJL believes the biggest part of the trade is the cap space the Flyers save from a contract Simmonds is not signing.
- Glak18

The future cap space that they save from not re-signing Simmonds to use elsewhere is absolutely a big part of the deal and a major factor in deciding not to re-sign him leading to the trade.

Reinforced by the comments of Fletcher. You've conveniently ignored it before but what exactly do you think he is referring to here?


“Cap space is finite, and ultimately that’s what it came down to for me,” Fletcher said. “We’ll have opportunities this summer to look at different needs, and we have some different areas that we still want to address.”

This comment is direct evidence that saving future cap space and using it for DIFFERENT needs in deciding not to re-sign Simmonds and trading him, was a big factor in the decision.

Hartman: “I remember a picture from when I was with Nashville playing the Flyers and I think it was five guys laying out in front of the net trying to block a shot. When I picture the Flyers uniform I always picture that photo from last time we played the Flyers. That’s the type of hockey I like, dedication to blocking shots and doing the little things right and playing that hard-nosed game.″

From https://www.buckscountyco...pes-to-fill-physical-role

Hartman: “I remember a picture from when I was with Nashville playing the Flyers and I think it was five guys laying out in front of the net trying to block a shot. When I picture the Flyers uniform I always picture that photo from last time we played the Flyers. That’s the type of hockey I like, dedication to blocking shots and doing the little things right and playing that hard-nosed game.″

From https://www.buckscountyco...pes-to-fill-physical-role
- NC Flyers Fan

Looks like they got together for a group picture!

For the oilers it's not enough to ruin McDavid but they also have to ruin Draisaitl. I would give up a decent amount for Leon

Looks like they got together for a group picture!
- MJL

As fate would have it. Brilliant.

Hartman: “I remember a picture from when I was with Nashville playing the Flyers and I think it was five guys laying out in front of the net trying to block a shot. When I picture the Flyers uniform I always picture that photo from last time we played the Flyers. That’s the type of hockey I like, dedication to blocking shots and doing the little things right and playing that hard-nosed game.″

From https://www.buckscountyco...pes-to-fill-physical-role
- NC Flyers Fan

Is this a Rembrandt or a Peter Paul Rubens? Maybe a carravaggio with that exquisite use of light

None of this is in dispute




The future cap space that they save from not re-signing Simmonds to use elsewhere is absolutely a big part of the deal and a major factor in deciding not to re-sign him leading to the trade.

Reinforced by the comments of Fletcher. You've conveniently ignored it before but what exactly do you think he is referring to here?


“Cap space is finite, and ultimately that’s what it came down to for me,” Fletcher said. “We’ll have opportunities this summer to look at different needs, and we have some different areas that we still want to address.”
- MJL

I am not disputing the decision to not re-sign him, why don't you get that????

The Flyers are not re-signing Simmonds because they would rather use that cap space somewhere else. Boom DONE.

Now on to the REAL discussion. Why did they trade Simmonds instead of keeping him to finish the last 20 games as a Flyer. ASSETS!!!!

I keep reading by different people that the Flyers didnt get value for Simmonds..

Other than video game GM mode what value should they have gotten for Simmonds?

Is this a Rembrandt or a Peter Paul Rubens? Maybe a carravaggio with that exquisite use of light
- bulet13

It’s clear the subtle details and depth of fiery imagery depicted give it a pristine glow.

I am not disputing the decision to not re-sign him, why don't you get that????

The Flyers are not re-signing Simmonds because they would rather use that cap space somewhere else. Boom DONE.

Now on to the REAL discussion. Why did they trade Simmonds instead of keeping him to finish the last 20 games as a Flyer. ASSETS!!!!
- Glak18

I for one was hoping they’d keep him around the locker room for the rest of the year for old times sake. But seriously, it’s not a bad haul for a guy you clearly weren’t resigning. It’s not far off the market dictated by other forward trades. What’s there to be upset about?

I for one was hoping they’d keep him around the locker room for the rest of the year for old times sake. But seriously, it’s not a bad haul for a guy you clearly weren’t resigning. It’s not far off the market dictated by other forward trades. What’s there to be upset about?
- stayinthefnnet

Not upset about the return one bit. Expected a value of around a 2nd and a mid-level prospect/roster depth player for months. Pretty much exactly what I saw they got.

Unfortunately we have a special person on this board that is logically challenged and believes the biggest value from the trade was the cap space they saved from a contract they weren't signing anyway...

It's like an Ottawa fan saying "The best part of Ottawa trading Duchene, Stone and Dzingel wasn't the assets they received it's all the cap space they saved"

On behalf of Preds fans, I am highly offended!
- NC Flyers Fan

Rinne is not good in the playoffs and they are going to face a good team. The west is pretty equal. A team like Dallas or Colorado are capable of taking them out. Dallas has done very well despite off seasons from their stars(No pun intended) and Colorado started off red hot and has died down. If they both get going again, they will be tough teams to beat.

Not upset about the return one bit. Expected a value of around a 2nd and a mid-level prospect/roster depth player for months. Pretty much exactly what I saw they got.

Unfortunately we have a special person on this board that is logically challenged and believes the biggest value from the trade was the cap space they saved from a contract they weren't signing anyway...

It's like an Ottawa fan saying "The best part of Ottawa trading Duchene, Stone and Dzingel wasn't the assets they received it's all the cap space they saved"
- Glak18

I don’t get it dude one time last year I think I called Kris Letang, not even another poster, a retard or something like that and I got banned for a week. You guys full on fire handicap slurs at each other left and right with memes and whatnot and no one bats an eye haha

I keep reading by different people that the Flyers didnt get value for Simmonds..

Other than video game GM mode what value should they have gotten for Simmonds?
- opeth_pa

A 1st or 2nd nothing else.

None of this is in dispute




The future cap space that they save from not re-signing Simmonds to use elsewhere is absolutely a big part of the deal and a major factor in deciding not to re-sign him leading to the trade.

Reinforced by the comments of Fletcher. You've conveniently ignored it before but what exactly do you think he is referring to here?


“Cap space is finite, and ultimately that’s what it came down to for me,” Fletcher said. “We’ll have opportunities this summer to look at different needs, and we have some different areas that we still want to address.”

This comment is direct evidence that saving future cap space and using it for DIFFERENT needs in deciding not to re-sign Simmonds and trading him, was a big factor in the decision.
- MJL

So, semantics. Got it.

Not upset about the return one bit. Expected a value of around a 2nd and a mid-level prospect/roster depth player for months. Pretty much exactly what I saw they got.

Unfortunately we have a special person on this board that is logically challenged and believes the biggest value from the trade was the cap space they saved from a contract they weren't signing anyway...

It's like an Ottawa fan saying "The best part of Ottawa trading Duchene, Stone and Dzingel wasn't the assets they received it's all the cap space they saved"
- Glak18

How is cap space an asset when the player was going to be off the books next year in any event? Not trying to be a smartass but I legitimately don’t follow.

It’s not like you can carry it over into next season. And you would have theoretically gained that “asset” by simply not signing him even if you didn’t make a deal. The cap space was an inevitable outcome in any situation other than signing him to an extension.

A 1st or 2nd nothing else.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

To be fair didn’t Hartman cost a first this time last year? I know it’s not the same thing but it’s not terribly off.

I for one was hoping they’d keep him around the locker room for the rest of the year for old times sake. But seriously, it’s not a bad haul for a guy you clearly weren’t resigning. It’s not far off the market dictated by other forward trades. What’s there to be upset about?
- stayinthefnnet

I tend to agree. They waited until the last minute when many of the potential trade partners had already filled their needs. Not a great trade, and not a bad one.

Rinne is not good in the playoffs and they are going to face a good team. The west is pretty equal. A team like Dallas or Colorado are capable of taking them out. Dallas has done very well despite off seasons from their stars(No pun intended) and Colorado started off red hot and has died down. If they both get going again, they will be tough teams to beat.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There is a lot of in your opinion, supposing, and ifs involved for your negative take. Okay, I’m going to predict that the Predators will be the favorite over Dallas or Colorado. Meaning they are expected to win.

How is cap space an asset when the player was going to be off the books next year in any event? Not trying to be a smartass but I legitimately don’t follow.

It’s not like you can carry it over into next season. And you would have theoretically gained that “asset” by simply not signing him even if you didn’t make a deal. The cap space was an inevitable outcome in any situation other than signing him to an extension.
- stayinthefnnet

I know you're not new here, but, I'm going to say it... You must be new here.

We got like 10 of him in lehigh
- Just5

Everybody complaining Wayne was too slow, not good enough with the puck, not good enough without the puck, and couldn't create his own offense.

So they get Hartman, who's fast, somewhat skilled, decent two-ways, and can create his own offense. Oh, and turns out the guy is kinda gritty to boot.

And they still complaining. Like Simmer was ever gonna net you Mark Stone.

Chuckie better have an amazing off season plan what i've seen so far sucks

Everybody complaining Wayne was too slow, not good enough with the puck, not good enough without the puck, and couldn't create his own offense.

So they get Hartman, who's fast, somewhat skilled, decent two-ways, and can create his own offense. Oh, and turns out the guy is kinda gritty to boot.

And they still complaining. Like Simmer was ever gonna net you Mark Stone.
- Tomahawk

no but we were hoping it would be slightly better than Hartman and a 4th