Today @ 9:26 AM ET
a pro year is not an accrued season towards Unrestricted Free Agency. pic.twitter.com/9LQajMRMnx

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) July 6, 2016


It appears that 40 games played is an accrued season. A player is a UFA at age 27, or after 7 years in the league. Joki is 19. If this year counts as a season, he is a UFA after his age 25 season. If not, and assuming he plays 40 games next year, it'll delay UFA status a year.

Maybe the Hawks actually like Joki a lot....
- mohel

I still think it could be due to the Seattle draft I believe less than 70 game series over last two seasons then the player doest need to be protected in the draft

Maybe another reason why Q was let go when he was? Not buying into the long term program? He wanted Joki playing in the NHL, because he wanted to win now, and the braintrust knew they needed to "remodel" in order to become an elite team again as opposed to a bubble team?

Just spitballing

By all accounts this has been a nightmare season for Crawford, both health-wise and performance. Hopefully he can play out the remainder of the season in full health and set the foundation for next season. It’s hard to attribute how much of Crawford’s performance was based on his health, the poor team defense and his overall performance. I just hope all three areas improve next season.

Here's a link to a SecondCityHockey article regarding Boqvist's first year in the OHL.

Basically saying he's great offensively, needs to continue to improve his defense and needs to build up his body.

https://www.secondcityhoc...s-london-knights-ohl-2019

By all accounts this has been a nightmare season for Crawford, both health-wise and performance. Hopefully he can play out the remainder of the season in full health and set the foundation for next season. It’s hard to attribute how much of Crawford’s performance was based on his health, the poor team defense and his overall performance. I just hope all three areas improve next season.
- DarthKane

Missing training camp set him behind. His remarkable performance his first few games back was surprising, but I think the fact that the defense was so bad, it didn't let him just settle in, as opposed to being the savior every game. I think he still was not in game shape and rusty, just like we saw against Anaheim, he still has that elite talent, but the rust caused 2 goals.

The Hawks really do not have a decision to make about Crow.
-If he is healthy he plays.
-He is basically untradeable, or you would get almost nothing back for him.
-He could be placed on LTIR if he has another concussion or recurring symptoms. But we are not close enough to the cap to make that interesting. (We could be close enough to the cap after this summer if we sign some free agents.)
-He will not retire with term left on his contract.

His numbers this year reflect the sieve of a defense playing in front of him.

Let's hope he stays healthy this year and all of next year and plays at his previous elite level. Ward finishes this year. Delia is the back up next year. (Although the Hawks may have other prospects eligible for that role too.)

What if he is healthy this year and all if next year and plays at the elite level. Then what do you do? Let's hope we have that problem.

Here's a link to a SecondCityHockey article regarding Boqvist's first year in the OHL.

Basically saying he's great offensively, needs to continue to improve his defense and needs to build up his body.

https://www.secondcityhoc...s-london-knights-ohl-2019
- boilermaker100

They had another Entwhistle article yesterday too.

I still think it could be due to the Seattle draft I believe less than 70 game series over last two seasons then the player doest need to be protected in the draft
- Abadseed

The 70 game clock starts next season and includes the 20-21 season leading up to the expansion draft in the summer of 2021.

The Hawks really do not have a decision to make about Crow.
-If he is healthy he plays.
-He is basically untradeable, or you would get almost nothing back for him.
-He could be placed on LTIR if he has another concussion or recurring symptoms. But we are not close enough to the cap to make that interesting. (We could be close enough to the cap after this summer if we sign some free agents.)
-He will not retire with term left on his contract.

His numbers this year reflect the sieve of a defense playing in front of him.

Let's hope he stays healthy this year and all of next year and plays at his previous elite level. Ward finishes this year. Delia is the back up next year. (Although the Hawks may have other prospects eligible for that role too.)

I hope so also, but by then hopefully Delia is capable of playing most of the games. I would offer Crow a team friendly deal to stay as a 1A or back-up and as a mentor to Delia.

What if he is healthy this year and all if next year and plays at the elite level. Then what do you do? Let's hope we have that problem.
- -Doh-

Today @ 9:26 AM ET
a pro year is not an accrued season towards Unrestricted Free Agency. pic.twitter.com/9LQajMRMnx

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) July 6, 2016


It appears that 40 games played is an accrued season. A player is a UFA at age 27, or after 7 years in the league. Joki is 19. If this year counts as a season, he is a UFA after his age 25 season. If not, and assuming he plays 40 games next year, it'll delay UFA status a year.

Maybe the Hawks actually like Joki a lot....
- mohel

By the time Joki is a free agent the current contracts will have expired for Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabs.

[quote=LAHawk]

If Crow plays the rest of this year and next year without heath issues and at an elite level I do not think he will accept being a backup and there would be plenty of teams willing to give him a big money short term contract to be there #1 goalie.

By the time Joki is a free agent the current contracts will have expired for Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabs.
- -Doh-

Which means what? Not sure how they relate.

The Hawks really do not have a decision to make about Crow.
-If he is healthy he plays.
-He is basically untradeable, or you would get almost nothing back for him.
-He could be placed on LTIR if he has another concussion or recurring symptoms. But we are not close enough to the cap to make that interesting. (We could be close enough to the cap after this summer if we sign some free agents.)
-He will not retire with term left on his contract.

His numbers this year reflect the sieve of a defense playing in front of him.

Let's hope he stays healthy this year and all of next year and plays at his previous elite level. Ward finishes this year. Delia is the back up next year. (Although the Hawks may have other prospects eligible for that role too.)

What if he is healthy this year and all if next year and plays at the elite level. Then what do you do? Let's hope we have that problem.
- -Doh-

I don’t think the team wants to trade Crawford, who would replace him? That being said, if I had to guess I don’t think he returns once his current contract expires.

Today @ 9:26 AM ET
a pro year is not an accrued season towards Unrestricted Free Agency. pic.twitter.com/9LQajMRMnx

— CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) July 6, 2016


It appears that 40 games played is an accrued season. A player is a UFA at age 27, or after 7 years in the league. Joki is 19. If this year counts as a season, he is a UFA after his age 25 season. If not, and assuming he plays 40 games next year, it'll delay UFA status a year.

Maybe the Hawks actually like Joki a lot....
- mohel

To further add to the confusion regarding the UFA timing, here's a link to an article saying that 10 games played constitutes a season. Of course, this is an ESPN article so what do they know about hockey.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ree-agency-system-changed

Which means what? Not sure how they relate.
- mohel

Meaning it makes sense to let him gain experience at the AHL level, take a leadership role, and delay his UFA a full year. Also the Hawks salary situation is totally unknown that far out, but the current contracts will not be a factor.

Crow's level of play doesn't bother too much the rest of the way. He has been away from the game for most of the past year and a half.

If he can play semi-regular. improve his play as he goes....and....most importantly, finish the year with no physical set-backs....THAT will be success for him.

And it will make us feel slightly more optimistic going into next year.

To further add to the confusion regarding the UFA timing, here's a link to an article saying that 10 games played constitutes a season. Of course, this is an ESPN article so what do they know about hockey.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ree-agency-system-changed
- boilermaker100

I believe the 10 game mark only applies to whether or not a slide year can be applied to an ELC contract. A normal ELC is 3 years but you can "slide" the first year if the player plays less than 10 games in the NHL - essentially making the ELC 4 years.

I believe the 10 game mark only applies to whether or not a slide year can be applied to an ELC contract. A normal ELC is 3 years but you can "slide" the first year if the player plays less than 10 games in the NHL - essentially making the ELC 4 years.
- EbonyRaptor

Okay, I agree, but this article was about counting years toward free agency, and it stated, accurate it or not, that 10 games played in a season counts as a year toward free agency.

Okay, I agree, but this article was about counting years toward free agency, and it stated, accurate it or not, that 10 games played in a season counts as a year toward free agency.
- boilermaker100

I could be wrong - but I think either they're wrong about that or there is some nuance I'm not aware of. If the number is 40 games to constitute a year - than it can't be 10 games - doesn't make sense.

Also - consider the source - ESPN not exactly NHL focused.

Here's a link to a SecondCityHockey article regarding Boqvist's first year in the OHL.

Basically saying he's great offensively, needs to continue to improve his defense and needs to build up his body.

https://www.secondcityhoc...s-london-knights-ohl-2019
- boilermaker100

I hope that this is the last smallish defenceman we draft in a long while. They take a long time to become comfortable regulars, if ever. It would be nice to have a Carlo in the lineup. A huge defenceman who gets drafted by Boston in the 2nd round and is immediately fitted into the lineup.

From ‘BusinessOfHockey.com’ on the 10 game rule.

When management makes the decision to audition a player at the next level, the only remaining hurdle is finalizing the prospect’s entry level contract (this issue is usually more prevalent for college hockey players as they can’t sign a professional contract while maintaining their amateurism where junior players have no restrictions). An entry level contract is limited by term (dependent on the prospect’s age at the date they sign the contract) and compensation but includes a provision for prospects aged 18 and 19 (as long as they don’t turn 20 before December 31 in the year they sign their first contract) that allows teams to slide the contract one year into the future if the player does not skate in a minimum of 10 NHL games (NHL CBA Article 9.1D).

Eligible prospects are allowed to skate in nine NHL games (combination of regular season and playoffs) without having the first year of their entry level contract kick in. For players that don’t qualify for the entry level contract slide, management has a much tougher decision to make. An older prospect’s contract will count against the salary cap during the season they dress for their first NHL game. In either case, this will not affect a player’s future unrestricted free agency as the requirements for most players (except Group 5 free agents but we expect these top prospects to play 80+ games before they turn 25) are seven accrued seasons in the league or turning 27 years old. A player must dress for 40 games in a season to accrue a season for free agency purposes and with only a handful games left in the schedule, this is impossible.

To further add to the confusion regarding the UFA timing, here's a link to an article saying that 10 games played constitutes a season. Of course, this is an ESPN article so what do they know about hockey.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/s...ree-agency-system-changed
- boilermaker100

It does say that. I'd tend to believe capfriendly, but who knows? I'd guess that the ESPN writer was thinking that the 10 game rule regarding sending a player to juniors is the same as accruing a year for service time purposes.

From ‘BusinessOfHockey.com’ on the 10 game rule.

When management makes the decision to audition a player at the next level, the only remaining hurdle is finalizing the prospect’s entry level contract (this issue is usually more prevalent for college hockey players as they can’t sign a professional contract while maintaining their amateurism where junior players have no restrictions). An entry level contract is limited by term (dependent on the prospect’s age at the date they sign the contract) and compensation but includes a provision for prospects aged 18 and 19 (as long as they don’t turn 20 before December 31 in the year they sign their first contract) that allows teams to slide the contract one year into the future if the player does not skate in a minimum of 10 NHL games (NHL CBA Article 9.1D).

Eligible prospects are allowed to skate in nine NHL games (combination of regular season and playoffs) without having the first year of their entry level contract kick in. For players that don’t qualify for the entry level contract slide, management has a much tougher decision to make. An older prospect’s contract will count against the salary cap during the season they dress for their first NHL game. In either case, this will not affect a player’s future unrestricted free agency as the requirements for most players (except Group 5 free agents but we expect these top prospects to play 80+ games before they turn 25) are seven accrued seasons in the league or turning 27 years old. A player must dress for 40 games in a season to accrue a season for free agency purposes and with only a handful games left in the schedule, this is impossible.
- scottak

This is why many teams give young Junior players a 9 game tryout at the beginn8ng of the season, before keeping them in the NHL or sending them back to Junior.

It does say that. I'd tend to believe capfriendly, but who knows? I'd guess that the ESPN writer was thinking that the 10 game rule regarding sending a player to juniors is the same as accruing a year for service time purposes.
- mohel

The slide rule applies to 18 & 19 year olds only, as I read it.

From ‘BusinessOfHockey.com’ on the 10 game rule.

When management makes the decision to audition a player at the next level, the only remaining hurdle is finalizing the prospect’s entry level contract (this issue is usually more prevalent for college hockey players as they can’t sign a professional contract while maintaining their amateurism where junior players have no restrictions). An entry level contract is limited by term (dependent on the prospect’s age at the date they sign the contract) and compensation but includes a provision for prospects aged 18 and 19 (as long as they don’t turn 20 before December 31 in the year they sign their first contract) that allows teams to slide the contract one year into the future if the player does not skate in a minimum of 10 NHL games (NHL CBA Article 9.1D).

Eligible prospects are allowed to skate in nine NHL games (combination of regular season and playoffs) without having the first year of their entry level contract kick in. For players that don’t qualify for the entry level contract slide, management has a much tougher decision to make. An older prospect’s contract will count against the salary cap during the season they dress for their first NHL game. In either case, this will not affect a player’s future unrestricted free agency as the requirements for most players (except Group 5 free agents but we expect these top prospects to play 80+ games before they turn 25) are seven accrued seasons in the league or turning 27 years old. A player must dress for 40 games in a season to accrue a season for free agency purposes and with only a handful games left in the schedule, this is impossible.
- scottak

That's a winner. So, possible that UFA status is at least one factor in Joki being in Rockford.