- eichiefs9

Please submit a BH-12 compliance form along side your BH Report by the end of the day.

I really don't know the guy much but my guess is G.B. might have some flaws like :

1- A listener who encourages feedback from players and the coaching staff
2- A communicator who lets every team member know where they stand and what is expected

Which are two of four qualities looking for by the Sens as the Ottawa Sun have related.
https://ottawasun.com/spo...ed-by-the-ottawa-senators

IS melnick a Canadian or American ?
- pzoxic

He's a Canadian. He grew up in Toronto. Before owning the Sens he owned a OHL team (junior team). He either owned the Mississauga or Toronto St Mikes team. He still has ties to the City of Toronto. He has a part of St Joe's hospital in Toronto named after him as well.

IF KEEFE ACCEPTS A JOB WITH THE OTTAWA SENATORS I WILL CALL HIM A SNAKE TO HIS FACE!

I WILL TAKE MY TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS KEEFE JERSEY BLAZER AND DEFACE IT AND THROW IT ON THE ICE!!!!!

THE LEAFS GAVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THIS IS THE LOYALTY HE SHOWS TO THE FANS?!?!?!?!?!?
- Atomic Wedgie

I have a parking lot video with distraught Marlies and Leafs fans in post-production right now.

I think it's unfair to paint the entire franchise with the same brush.

there is ZERO doubt that the owner, gm, and COO are giant lying incompetent dbags.....don't think a single person in Ottawa would disagree.

that being said, there is a lot of good youth on the roster, they have a very strong scouting department, their AHL coaching staff is fantastic.

if you can get rid of Melnyk (meaning dorion would follow him quickly out of the door) this team could turn around quickly with the rest of the personnel they have in place.
- sensarmy_11

Sens always do well at the draft, but indeed the problem unfortunately lies at the top. When you have an owner who reduces seating to artificially create demand, then tells his gm he needs to liquidate assets because he's operating on a budget, then strips the front office staff to a bare bone operation (not me saying that but SN). This seems more like a guy interested in saving a semblance of profit in a failing enterprise.

I could place some blame on Dorion, many other gm's have to work with self imposed cap budgets ( Arizona, Carolina, Florida , etc) but they always seem to ice a promising team on paper with elements locked in long term that keeps them relevant. Dorion has somewhat been criticised for how he handled trades in the past( i'll admit I think he struck gold at the td though ).

i give the coach a lot of credit. he never mailed it in. who is going behind the bench now? GM or owner?

i give the coach a lot of credit. he never mailed it in. who is going behind the bench now? GM or owner?
- i'mjustafan

Marc Crawford.

A Coach cannot make a minor league team better than a NHL team.

A coaches job is to utilize the players he has to win games and he wasnt given anything to utilize this season.

Sens always do well at the draft, but indeed the problem unfortunately lies at the top. When you have an owner who reduces seating to artificially create demand, then tells his gm he needs to liquidate assets because he's operating on a budget, then strips the front office staff to a bare bone operation (not me saying that but SN). This seems more like a guy interested in saving a semblance of profit in a failing enterprise.

I could place some blame on Dorion, many other gm's have to work with self imposed cap budgets ( Arizona, Carolina, Florida , etc) but they always seem to ice a promising team on paper with elements locked in long term that keeps them relevant. Dorion has somewhat been criticised for how he handled trades in the past( i'll admit I think he struck gold at the td though ).
- Alexzanki

Dorion has made a lot of trades that were just AWFUL, regardless of the financial pressure:

acquiring Burrows
spezza trade
Hoffman trade
the original Duchene trade....the trade itself wasn't awful, it was his lack of foresight and judgement of where the team actually was

in his defence, I've liked just about every trade he's made in the last year. I liked the karlsson trade, I loved the Duchene and dzingel trade, and once I'm able to take the emotion out of it I know i'll like the stone trade (brannstrom is going to be a STUD). I Even like that he acquired nilsson from Van and managed to dump pyatt on them.

what I DESPISE about dorion is not the moves he makes on paper, but the BS he spews when he's in front of the camera. I get that he has to say a lot of those things because of melnyk, but he just goes overboard.

As much as gene is to blame, the sens still finished 3rd worst last year with stone, dutchy, Hoffman and 3/4 of a year of Karlsson.
- 1993_Cup_Champs

Yea but you are ignoring the fact that Karlsson and Hoffman were a huge distraction, karlsson was less than 100%, avs sucked until they got rid of duchene and sens sucked once they got him.
Still had no goaltending

I have a parking lot video with distraught Marlies and Leafs fans in post-production right now.
- Deeps27

Nobody wants to see your low-budget recreation of BangBus

A Coach cannot make a minor league team better than a NHL team.

A coaches job is to utilize the players he has to win games and he wasnt given anything to utilize this season.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

2 things:

1. he had lots of good assets the last couple of years (karlsson, Chabot, stone, Duchene, Hoffman, dzingel, white, tkachuk, etc, etc, etc)....the supporting cast wasn't ideal, but the system he used was AWFUL. Ottawa clearly didn't have the best team in the league, but with the talent that was there, a competent coach should have had them atleast competing for a playoff spot....maybe not this year, but definitely last year.

2. he mismanaged ice-time so bad.......dorion literally had to trade a player away (pyatt) because despite the fact that he was awful in every way possible to measure awfulness, boucher continued to play him 15-20 minutes a game. guys who continually lead the team in ice time are guys like Ceci, Borowiecki, paarjavi, smith, harpur, etc, etc....while guys like Batherson, Wolanin, Jaros, Paul, etc, etc, the young guys who are supposed to be the future, play 5-10 mins a night or get scratched out right. a rebuilding team should be playing their young guys, not the vets who aren't part of the future, and boucher refused to do that.

Dorion has made a lot of trades that were just AWFUL, regardless of the financial pressure:

acquiring Burrows
spezza trade
Hoffman trade
the original Duchene trade....the trade itself wasn't awful, it was his lack of foresight and judgement of where the team actually was

in his defence, I've liked just about every trade he's made in the last year. I liked the karlsson trade, I loved the Duchene and dzingel trade, and once I'm able to take the emotion out of it I know i'll like the stone trade (brannstrom is going to be a STUD). I Even like that he acquired nilsson from Van and managed to dump pyatt on them.

what I DESPISE about dorion is not the moves he makes on paper, but the BS he spews when he's in front of the camera. I get that he has to say a lot of those things because of melnyk, but he just goes overboard.
- sensarmy_11

Yea they are all awful but how much of this waa influenced by Melnyk.

Hoffman had to go and they were desperate to move him to try and keep Karlsson

Karlsson was going to walk anyways

Spezza hasnt been good in a long time

Duchene trade was made because Melnyk didnt want to pay Turris as much as he wanted to stay in Ottawa

Nobody wants to see your low-budget recreation of BangBus
- eichiefs9

There's lots of snakes and whiny fans saying irrational things because their feelings are hurt. I'd think this would be right up an Isles fan alley.

*I'm also getting alarmingly uncomfortable with the sexual undertones in your reply messages to me the last couple days. I'm married - to a woman - and have a family. Flattered but not interested.

Nobody wants to see your low-budget recreation of BangBus
- eichiefs9

This is a lie and you know it.

2 things:

1. he had lots of good assets the last couple of years (karlsson, Chabot, stone, Duchene, Hoffman, dzingel, white, tkachuk, etc, etc, etc)....the supporting cast wasn't ideal, but the system he used was AWFUL. Ottawa clearly didn't have the best team in the league, but with the talent that was there, a competent coach should have had them atleast competing for a playoff spot....maybe not this year, but definitely last year.

2. he mismanaged ice-time so bad.......dorion literally had to trade a player away (pyatt) because despite the fact that he was awful in every way possible to measure awfulness, boucher continued to play him 15-20 minutes a game. guys who continually lead the team in ice time are guys like Ceci, Borowiecki, paarjavi, smith, harpur, etc, etc....while guys like Batherson, Wolanin, Jaros, Paul, etc, etc, the young guys who are supposed to be the future, play 5-10 mins a night or get scratched out right. a rebuilding team should be playing their young guys, not the vets who aren't part of the future, and boucher refused to do that.
- sensarmy_11

You say he mismanaged the team but didnt he take them tobthe finals the year before? Goaltending sucked. Nothing he could do about that. A lot of other stuff u said was addressed in another post

you would think the last thing the Senators want more of these days is media scrutiny. so why this had to be done right now, why they absolutely had to have Marc Crawford, a guy whose last taste of NHL success was 20 years ago, as the head coach for the last 15 games, is a bit of a mystery.

There's lots of snakes and whiny fans saying irrational things because their feelings are hurt. I'd think this would be right up an Isles fan alley.

*I'm also getting alarmingly uncomfortable with the sexual undertones in your reply messages to me the last couple days. I'm married - to a woman - and have a family. Flattered but not interested.
- Deeps27

Well I suppose congratulations are in order on your accomplishments

This is a lie and you know it.
- BINGO!

I'd pay to watch Toronto legends "Dart Guy" and "Cat poop Guy" go at it in the back of a 2003 Ford Econoline

Well I suppose congratulations are in order on your accomplishments
- eichiefs9

Please stop PM'ing me - I don't want to "cam" with you and your cousin Claude.

You say he mismanaged the team but didnt he take them tobthe finals the year before? Goaltending sucked. Nothing he could do about that. A lot of other stuff u said was addressed in another post
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think too much credit was given to bad goaltending when we lost last year and this year...............there has been many many many other problems. when your team and system give up shot totals that are among the worst in NHL HISTORY, that has to be on the coach. your system is flawed, you're putting the wrong people out at the wrong time.....obviously they were never going to be a good team, but I think a lot of decisions that boucher made actually made them worse.

you also speak to when they went to the conf finals....while I think bad goaltending gets blamed too much for the failures last year and this year, I don't think it gets nearly enough credit for carrying that team to the conf finals (along with karlsson). Ottawa managed to get past better teams mostly because andy stood on his head.....everyone on earth, except the dippoops running the team, knew that success wasn't sustainable.

you would think the last thing the Senators want more of these days is media scrutiny. so why this had to be done right now, why they absolutely had to have Marc Crawford, a guy whose last taste of NHL success was 20 years ago, as the head coach for the last 15 games, is a bit of a mystery.
- DoubleDown

well the Lebreton deal fell apart officially yesterday, so Melnyk probably wanted to distract from that.

I'd pay to watch Toronto legends "Dart Guy" and "Cat poop Guy" go at it in the back of a 2003 Ford Econoline
- eichiefs9

I think too much credit was given to bad goaltending when we lost last year and this year...............there has been many many many other problems. when your team and system give up shot totals that are among the worst in NHL HISTORY, that has to be on the coach. your system is flawed, you're putting the wrong people out at the wrong time.....obviously they were never going to be a good team, but I think a lot of decisions that boucher made actually made them worse.

you also speak to when they went to the conf finals....while I think bad goaltending gets blamed too much for the failures last year and this year, I don't think it gets nearly enough credit for carrying that team to the conf finals (along with karlsson). Ottawa managed to get past better teams mostly because andy stood on his head.....everyone on earth, except the dippoops running the team, knew that success wasn't sustainable.
- sensarmy_11

i say this as a fan of a team that has played some awful hockey itself the last few years--the Senators of these last 2 seasons play, without question, the worst team defence relative to the rest of the league i have ever seen. certainly not a good look on Boucher, much as he was hung out to dry by Dorion.

Yea they are all awful but how much of this waa influenced by Melnyk.

obviously a lot, but it wasn't all him

Hoffman had to go and they were desperate to move him to try and keep Karlsson

the fact that the sharks turned around 11 minutes later and flipped Hoffman for a better return points to that one being on Dorion. he obviously had to move him, but the poopty return is his fault.

Karlsson was going to walk anyways

I liked the return for karlsson

Spezza hasnt been good in a long time

when spezza was traded he was coming off a 25g 70pt season. even a semi-competent GM should have been able to get more than chiasson and nick paul for him

Duchene trade was made because Melnyk didnt want to pay Turris as much as he wanted to stay in Ottawa

getting rid of turris was one thing....the acquired Duchene because dorion thought the team was a Duchene away from contending, which is why he traded a lot of futures to get him. that was a HUGE miscalculation on his part and is 100% on him.