You never know what a kid with Myers physical skills is going to do and how good he is going to become. Ned to remember that even though it is a small sample to this point, he isn't showing signs even close to what Provorov was as a rookie in the NHL. He certainly could be a special player but at this point, I don't put above Provorov in the future. I also don't put him above Sanheim.
- MJL

His start is certainly better than sanheims. To no fault of sanheim. But he is moving the puck at least as well while proving to be a much better player in his own end. At least early on. Provorov really popped as soon as he got here he has work to do there

His start is certainly better than sanheims. To no fault of sanheim. But he is moving the puck at least as well while proving to be a much better player in his own end. At least early on. Provorov really popped as soon as he got here he has work to do there
- Just5

I do agree on that but Sanheim seems to have that offensive flair to his game. We'll see if Myers develops that.

Remember those coaches here earlier this year who decided that Travis Sanheim wasn't good enough for more ice time?

Wonder what those guys are up to.

Remember those coaches here earlier this year who decided that Travis Sanheim wasn't good enough for more ice time?

Wonder what those guys are up to.
- johndewar

Being paid more than all of us and not working.

Remember those coaches here earlier this year who decided that Travis Sanheim wasn't good enough for more ice time?

Wonder what those guys are up to.
- johndewar

I remember when Hakstol first paired Sanheim with Provorov...was that the narrative?

I can't wait to see how smart the coach is next year when Myers starts to play more.

I can't believe Morin isn't playing 20+ mins already...stupid coaches.

I remember when Dahlin was getting sheltered minutes early in the year and now he earned more minutes, stupid coaches should be giving them those minutes right away.

It's not like Provorov started with lower minutes and was increased throughout his rookie year...naaaaaaaaaah.

*does the narrative dance*

Remember those coaches here earlier this year who decided that Travis Sanheim wasn't good enough for more ice time?

Wonder what those guys are up to.
- johndewar

Those same coaches who did an outstanding job developing Sanheim as a player?

Remember those coaches here earlier this year who decided that Travis Sanheim wasn't good enough for more ice time?

Wonder what those guys are up to.
- johndewar

I love hindsight glasses.

What happened to Voracek?
- Marc D

Excellent question.

I couldn't tune in until the third period and seems he was long done by then but I didn't hear why.

I remember when Hakstol first paired Sanheim with Provorov...was that the narrative?

I can't wait to see how smart the coach is next year when Myers starts to play more.

I can't believe Morin isn't playing 20+ mins already...stupid coaches.

I remember when Dahlin was getting sheltered minutes early in the year and now he earned more minutes, stupid coaches should be giving them those minutes right away.

It's not like Provorov started with lower minutes and was increased throughout his rookie year...naaaaaaaaaah.

*does the narrative dance*
- Glak18

Jumped right in to sensible posting...nice way to start the week

Excellent question.

I couldn't tune in until the third period and seems he was long done by then but I didn't here why.
- Scoob

Voracek was scratched prior to game LBI. Patrick got hurt during game, puck to back of head/ear and never returned.

Voracek was scratched prior to game LBI. Patrick got hurt during game, puck to back of head/ear and never returned.
- Glak18

Did the injury happen Friday/Saturday? (sorry, was away for the weekend and out of touch)

Did the injury happen Friday/Saturday?
- Scoob

Not sure. I heard about it a little bit prior to game start and I haven't heard any new info since. There might of been more posted about it, but I just haven't looked.

Do you guys really think Sanheim's usage hasn't changed since Hakstol got fired?

If you look at his TOI in game logs, you can almost tell the day Hakstol got fired.

Do you guys really think Sanheim's usage hasn't changed since Hakstol got fired?

If you look at his TOI in game logs, you can almost tell the day Hakstol got fired.
- johndewar

Of course it did. But hakstol was right to develop him at that pace and it was mere coincidence that at the exact time he got fired, sanheim was ready for a much larger workload. Thanks to hak

Do you guys really think Sanheim's usage hasn't changed since Hakstol got fired?

If you look at his TOI in game logs, you can almost tell the day Hakstol got fired.
- johndewar

I do think that Hakstol favored vets over kids, but I don't think he was sheltering him either. In the 4 games preceding Hakstol getting canned, Sanheim had one game of 19+ minutes and one game of 23+ minutes.

Also, right around that time (even a few times before Hakstol was fired) was when the Flyers went with the Provorov-Sanheim pairing. So yes, simply by being on Provorov's pair, Sanehim was bound to have an increase in ATOI.

Do you guys really think Sanheim's usage hasn't changed since Hakstol got fired?

If you look at his TOI in game logs, you can almost tell the day Hakstol got fired.
- johndewar

You mean the same way Provorov was used? Or Erik Karlsson? Or Josi or Ellis? Or just about every single defenseman in the league?

But Flyers so it is different? Hakstol has been fired, why does it matter what he did? Didn't Provorov and Ghost blossom under Hak, but then he all of sudden misused them when they happen to play bad. It could be a giant conspiracy.

I didn't like Hak one bit, but the Hak agenda is over done now. Just like if the Flyers bring in a new coach, the fans will still blame them when they don't do what they want. Repeat, Rinse and Recycle.

You mean the same way Provorov was used? Or Erik Karlsson? Or Josi or Ellis? Or just about every single defenseman in the league?

But Flyers so it is different? Hakstol has been fired, why does it matter what he did? Didn't Provorov and Ghost blossom under Hak, but then he all of sudden misused them when they happen to play bad. It could be a giant conspiracy.

I didn't like Hak one bit, but the Hak agenda is over done now. Just like if the Flyers bring in a new coach, the fans will still blame them when they don't do what they want. Repeat, Rinse and Recycle.
- Glak18

I think you meant Cycle, Rinse, and Repeat...
But yeah that too.

I think you meant Cycle, Rinse, and Repeat...
But yeah that too.
- BadCowboyDan

I appreciate the correction, but my wording was done specifically on purpose.

Anyone have any idea what TK and Provo will cost?

I appreciate the correction, but my wording was done specifically on purpose.
- Glak18

There you go then...

Do you guys really think Sanheim's usage hasn't changed since Hakstol got fired?

If you look at his TOI in game logs, you can almost tell the day Hakstol got fired.
- johndewar

Yes, his usage has increased under Gordon.

In my opinion it is fair and accurate to say that under Hextall and Hakstol, the Flyers were for the most part conservative in the development of young players overall but it was also different for each player. What is also fair and accurate to say is that they did a great job in developing players. That includes Hextall, Hakstol, Gordon and the assistants. I'd much rather have a player hit the NHL running and playing well, the way that Gostisbehere did when he first came up and now Myers than struggle the way that Sanheim did when he first came up. Overcooking a player is always preferable to rushing a player.

Something like that. I actually wonder if we’ll see a 100 point team miss the playoffs. Doesn’t seem that unreasonable

Like you said. Talk about point inflation - back when I was growing up, if a team got 100 points, it usually won the division, and 85 points was usually good enough to make the playoffs. My how the loser-point has changed things.

Regarding the playoffs:

It was all a Dream, read about in nhl magazines...
- corduroy

I’m the only one who believed! 😁

The typical narrative in a situation like this is that the player was always capable of the level of play currently being played and was just held back by a coach who had no clue and refused to play young players. Rather than the reality that the players development happened over a period of time and that the team is now benefitting from the hard lessons and patience being shown in developing the player over time.