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- wcorvette

Sweet goal.

Sadly, please remember that PP goals are a myth, and only 5v5 production matters.

We should focus on the players and coaches on this current team. They are doing so good, but for me it feels so hallow. I e-mailed my Flyers rep and told her I won't be renewing next year. There are multiple reasons, but I just feel betrayed that these players knowingly tanked part of the season because they weren't happy. I'm not happy at my job, but I don't tank my performance to get a new boss.....

As a matter of fact I don't think I have ever been this angry at the Flyers.
- youarewrong

Do you actually believe that?

I don't know where to start....

You should watch more hockey if you truly believe the same issues you mention are not happening on other teams, especially the winning teams.

If the Flyers can go 17-4-2 in the last 23 games while playing the same hockey they played earlier in the year where they were a dumpster fire then the NHL needs to shut down immediately. That means other teams are HORRIBLE.
- Glak18

I get your point but let's not get crazy here. They played pretty poorly in many of those games yet still got wins because of Hart.

Upon revisiting 2001, I have come to the conclusion that Saves The Day is better, way better, than The Get Up Kids.

That's a juicy take
- Scoob

Do you actually believe that?
- Scoob

I do actually believe that. I do believe that players were unhappy with their usage, the micro-managing, & their contract situation. Possibly even the lack of moves to improve the team. I also believe these player's play was effected by their unhappiness and anger, and I believe this also went through the rest of the team. And there has been comments and articles that suggest this is at least partially true.

I've also noticed that this has happened multiple times. For example they had a 10 game losing streak that ended once Hextall said he wont fire the coach no matter what, and then they went on a 10 game winning streak last year. Its crazy how similar these circumstances are.

Do I believe there was a team-wide conspiracy to get a coach and GM fired... no. But I do believe their attitudes towards the coaches, Gm, and whatever else has destroyed portions of the last 3 or 4 seasons and it pisses me off because I dropped over 7 thousand dollars to watch and support this team.

I do actually believe that. I do believe that players were unhappy with their usage, the micro-managing, & their contract situation. Possibly even the lack of moves to improve the team. I also believe these player's play was effected by their unhappiness and anger, and I believe this also went through the rest of the team. And there has been comments and articles that suggest this is at least partially true.

I've also noticed that this has happened multiple times. For example they had a 10 game losing streak that ended once Hextall said he wont fire the coach no matter what, and then they went on a 10 game winning streak last year. Its crazy how similar these circumstances are.

Do I believe there was a team-wide conspiracy to get a coach and GM fired... no. But I do believe their attitudes towards the coaches, Gm, and whatever else has destroyed portions of the last 3 or 4 seasons and it pisses me off because I dropped over 7 thousand dollars to watch and support this team.
- youarewrong

Which players refused to play well or hard due in part to their contract situations?

I think blaming the players is the right area to direct the ire. I just don't think you have the reasons why right.

I get your point but let's not get crazy here. They played pretty poorly in many of those games yet still got wins because of Hart.
- Scoob

Exactly. Im not saying there hasnt been any improvements but nothing drastic. If we still had the goaltending we had to start the season, we would not be on this run and would still be talking about Losing for Hughes

thanks
- jmatchett383

Exactly. Im not saying there hasnt been any improvements but nothing drastic. If we still had the goaltending we had to start the season, we would not be on this run and would still be talking about Losing for Hughes
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I agree.

I don't think there is any doubt that Sanheim will play on the PK in the future. You referenced block shots earlier. On the season, Haag leads with 128, Provorov with 117, Gudas with 109 and Sanheim with 107.
- MJL

Uh...the original question was:

Is it possible the Sanheim turns into our best defenseman?
- bulet13

Keyword “best.” I said my piece...which is...no (although I still like him). If you think—yes—that’s great. They are all still developing so we’ll see.

Absolutely, but I won't.
- jmatchett383

I do actually believe that.
- youarewrong

The irony of your handle...

The Athletic's recap of yesterday's game reminded me of another genius development move from Hakstol - healthy scratching Oskar Lindblom in favor of Jori Lehtera in his final game as NHL coach.

https://www.nhl.com/gamec...tate=final,game_tab=stats

Since then, Lindblom has 15 points in 35 games for the Flyers, while the "reliable" and "heavy"veteran Lehtera played just three more NHL games before becoming a frequent healthy scratch in the AHL.

Uh...the original question was:



Keyword “best.” I said my piece...which is...no (although I still like him). If you think—yes—that’s great. They are all still developing so we’ll see.
- NC Flyers Fan

Development-ing-ed has been the hottest word on FlyersBuzz for some time now haha

Of course what is omitted from your narrative is that Sanheim's play is what dictated his benching and caused him to get sent to the AHL. That Sanheim has progressed to the point he is at now shows that the development hard lessons and tactics used under Hakstol and Hextall as well as other coaches including Gordon, has worked very well. It shows how good the Flyers have been and are in developing young players.
- MJL

Sanheim never played any worse than Manning or MacDonald who stayed in the lineup ahead of him, but Hak went out of his way to reward veteran mediocrity till his very last day on the job.

Uh...the original question was:



Keyword “best.” I said my piece...which is...no (although I still like him). If you think—yes—that’s great. They are all still developing so we’ll see.
- NC Flyers Fan

Uh, then the conversation evolves from there and we discuss reasons why or why not.

Exactly. Im not saying there hasnt been any improvements but nothing drastic. If we still had the goaltending we had to start the season, we would not be on this run and would still be talking about Losing for Hughes
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

yup

Sanheim never played any worse than Manning or MacDonald who stayed in the lineup ahead of him, but Hak went out of his way to reward veteran mediocrity till his very last day on the job.
- Feanor

I disagree. Sanheim's play had deteriorated to the point where he needed to be taken out of the lineup and sent back down to the AHL to reset. It clearly worked.

Veterans were used as stop gap players while young players developed.

Development-ing-ed has been the hottest word on FlyersBuzz for some time now haha
- ClaudeFather

That may be the only time someone has implied that I’m trendy.

Thanks?

The Athletic's recap of yesterday's game reminded me of another genius development move from Hakstol - healthy scratching Oskar Lindblom in favor of Jori Lehtera in his final game as NHL coach.

https://www.nhl.com/gamec...tate=final,game_tab=stats

Since then, Lindblom has 15 points in 35 games for the Flyers, while the "reliable" and "heavy"veteran Lehtera played just three more NHL games before becoming a frequent healthy scratch in the AHL.
- Feanor

thanks

Uh, then the conversation evolves from there and we discuss reasons why or why not.
- MJL

So you think yes?

Simmer with a nice play last night which created a goal.

So you think yes?
- NC Flyers Fan

I think it's possible. Mainly where we disagree is whether Sanheim plays an all around game.

I get your point but let's not get crazy here. They played pretty poorly in many of those games yet still got wins because of Hart.
- Scoob

Yeah see I think the whole argument of Hart being the only reason is a bit crazy. I don't want to get into the binary thinking where if I don't say Hart is the reason then that only means he meant nothing, it was obviously between the two.

Goaltending was a major issue with the team, but some of the same goaltenders who were part of the problem early have become adequate now. Elliott played well before his first injury, but the team couldn't win. Stolarz had his issues as well, but Hart gets called up and became a possible backup before getting traded. On the other side the team went through a bad stretch WITH Hart in net, Hart still played well, but the team couldn't win. Clearly the team in front of the goaltenders has improved or they wouldn't be winning games.

Next you have 1B major issue which was the play of Provorov AND Ghost. Both were playing at an AHL level of mistakes and having them play 20+ minutes a night at that level, most teams would lose too.

Special teams was a major reason as well. The team used the SAME strategy and formation they did last year, that was successful, for the first half of the season, yet it struggled.The players stopped going to what was successful and just leaned on point shots, which weren't getting through most of the time.

Now you have one of the biggest issues that plagued the team early and that was team wide effort. They weren't skating hard and they were losing most battles. Magically the team's effort increased with the coaching change and the call up of Hart. Add in the fact that most nights most players looked like they were all playing different games and again magically the change of coach and call up Hart and the team started to look more in sync. Maybe the team got more confidence knowing Hart was in net, yet that doesn't explain how the team still plays that way and wins when Hart isn't in net.

Now are the Flyers still making mistakes, of course they are. Every team is going to make mistakes. I can go through any Tampa game this year and show you dozens of mistakes and where Vasilevskiy has bailed the team out over and over. I know people don't want to accept it, but Tampa's bottom pair defensemen are trash, not better trash...just straight up trash. Did people really not watch any Washington games last year? Their defense was a cringe-fest during the season and the playoffs. They won the cup, how does that make those mistakes disappear?

So the team loses and the team and coach sucks, but when they win the team and coach still sucks. I'm not calling the Flyers a great team, but wow perfection must be the only thing that will satisfy everyone. Then again the Flyers could go 82-0 and I guarantee there will be someone complaining the lines are what they would do or their favorite player is getting less time than another player.