Skinner
Last year comparable was Kane at $7m x 7 = $49
Cap up say 4%; adjusted to $7.3m x 7 = $51.1

Stone's apparent new contract of $8 x $9.5M = $76m
I don't think Stone is a great comparable, MUCH better 2 way player and pots as many goals as Skinner has averaged over his career at 26 or so, and puts up way more assists....Stone is simply a much better all around player.
assuming we were to assign a 10%-20% premium for Stone then...
makes a comparable contract value for Skinner more like $8.0m - $8.63m

Other teams can only offer 7 years
$8.63M x 7 = $60.4m on high end of this argument might be expected.

Botts could go 8 x $7.55 = $60.4 and be even in total contract value
A term of 8 @ $8.63M = $69.1m total value

The highest I would go is to pay him a slight premium for a 7 year term...so 7 x $8.75m = $61.25m and refuse to discuss 8 years, period.
That is $500K more per year than I would really like to land ($8.25)

Playing in front of family 43 times a year (41 +2 in TO) and being able to see them more frequently has value very few other teams can match. If he walks from that, and playing with an elite center is worth another $5m over 7 years -- F'em then
- IonSabres

I respect that youre only spitballing...but if the Sabres pay him 8.75 a year...theyre the laughing stock of the league again. And get what they deserve

Skinner
Last year comparable was Kane at $7m x 7 = $49
Cap up say 4%; adjusted to $7.3m x 7 = $51.1

- IonSabres

Bad math. 6 of those 7 years overlap.

Plus he’s never led a team to the playoffs or even played in one game. Yeah let’s make him the second highest player so he can be the next Kyle Okposo.
- Carubba-Kaleta

Exactly right....this...is ...exactly...right....

If Risto sucks so bad, how in the world are we expecting to get a top 6 forward for him?
- mhp

we are much smarter than the average GM

Seriously,
-young-ish
-RhD
-puts-up points

sell those positives hard, oh and discredit all analytics

we are much smarter than the average GM

Seriously,
-young-ish
-RhD
-puts-up points

sell those positives hard, oh and discredit all analytics
- IonSabres

toss in Thompson or Nylander or Ollaffsson...and a pick

I respect that youre only spitballing...but if the Sabres pay him 8.75 a year...theyre the laughing stock of the league again. And get what they deserve
- RippedFuel

He isn't totally useless.
I would prefer to be under $8M for sure.
the alternative isn't pretty, especially when Botts has to fill, mostly likely in FA
- 1RW
- 2LW
- 2C
- 3RW
- nevermind the D

Maybe a Risto trade gets him one of the top 3 listed. That is still a lot of positions to fill...AND he will be taking a chance that those he signs actually fulfill their promise..which is more rare than likely.
Skinner is a known commodity that scores on a team so void of scoring ability it is laughable.

Pay the man under $8.75 for less than 8 years and move along to find the right FA's necessary to move this team forward aggressively.

toss in Thompson or Nylander or Ollaffsson...and a pick
- RippedFuel

any of the 1st 2.
keep Olafsson...see if he has it next year...then move him if not.

Plus he’s never led a team to the playoffs or even played in one game. Yeah let’s make him the second highest player so he can be the next Kyle Okposo.
- Carubba-Kaleta

OK... So who on the Sabres has led a team to the playoffs? And..... Exactly how much do you think such a player will cost the Sabres? Lets see some examples here...

any of the 1st 2.
keep Olafsson...see if he has it next year...then move him if not.
- IonSabres

exactly. I am in no mood to be waiting for 3 seasons to find out hes Justin Bailey

He isn't totally useless.
I would prefer to be under $8M for sure.
the alternative isn't pretty, especially when Botts has to fill, mostly likely in FA
- 1RW
- 2LW
- 2C
- 3RW
- nevermind the D

Maybe a Risto trade gets him one of the top 3 listed. That is still a lot of positions to fill...AND he will be taking a chance that those he signs actually fulfill their promise..which is more rare than likely.
Skinner is a known commodity that scores on a team so void of scoring ability it is laughable.

Pay the man under $8.75 for less than 8 years and move along to find the right FA's necessary to move this team forward aggressively.
- IonSabres

Amen... Well said... They simply cannot improve by letting good players go just because it will cost money..

OK... So who on the Sabres has led a team to the playoffs? And..... Exactly how much do you think such a player will cost the Sabres? Lets see some examples here...
- rapperray

You make it sound like Skinner is going to get 40 every year.

1. he hasn't scored 40 here yet.

2. hes QUIT over the last 10 games. QUIT.

3. Id rather pay a guy 6 who will get 30-32 with #9, that 9 million for a guy that is going to get 38.

Looks like he took the ol shovel to the face.
- dadeadhead

Shovel of cocaine. Yes.

You make it sound like Skinner is going to get 40 every year.

1. he hasn't scored 40 here yet.

2. hes QUIT over the last 10 games. QUIT.

3. Id rather pay a guy 6 who will get 30-32 with #9, that 9 million for a guy that is going to get 38.
- RippedFuel

He hasn't quit. Ffs. Stop. (frank)ing guy, along w Eichel, carried us ALL YEAR. Many goal scorers are streaky. And he's been money all year.

You make it sound like Skinner is going to get 40 every year.

1. he hasn't scored 40 here yet.

2. hes QUIT over the last 10 games. QUIT.

3. Id rather pay a guy 6 who will get 30-32 with #9, that 9 million for a guy that is going to get 38.
- RippedFuel

And no other Sabres have quit? Skinner is the only guy responsible to get them into the playoffs? He is solely to blame? No other Sabre has failed to score consistently? Now I may not agree with paying him almost 10mill a year but if he can be had for 8 or less he needs to stay. I just don't agree with laying all the Sabres failures at his feet..

He hasn't quit. Ffs. Stop. (frank)ing guy, along w Eichel, carried us ALL YEAR. Many goal scorers are streaky. And he's been money all year.
- Powerslave

But these people all lay the full blame on Skinner

He hasn't quit. Ffs. Stop. (frank)ing guy, along w Eichel, carried us ALL YEAR. Many goal scorers are streaky. And he's been money all year.
- Powerslave

ALL YEAR??? hes carried us ALL YEAR??

so the last nine games...0 goals, -6.....that's carrying us??

when poop got real...hes vanished...

Hes carried us to 11th place.

Take a look at Jacks last nine...and then skinners...and you tell me whos doing the carrying.

he hasn't scored in 9 games....Id call that "not scoring"
- RippedFuel

Such a small sample size is cherry picking at it's finest. He's a .372 goal per game player for his career. To put that in perspective Kucherov is .412 goals per game.

He's an elite scorer. Why you'd argue otherwise, I am unsure.

You can make a case for not keeping him despite his abilities. Don't think you can argue he isn't a great scorer.

But these people all lay the full blame on Skinner
- rapperray

Wheres he been the last 9 games?? Carrying us??

not the FULL blame...again...for the UMPTEENTH time..the guy is adequate...but not worth over 7. He hasn't carried a thing for 9 games....

He doesn't get the full blame....because Risto does..

Wheres he been the last 9 games?? Carrying us??

not the FULL blame...again...for the UMPTEENTH time..the guy is adequate...but not worth over 7. He hasn't carried a thing for 9 games....

He doesn't get the full blame....because Risto does..
- RippedFuel

It is a team game... The failure is evenly spread from Owner on down....

Such a small sample size is cherry picking at it's finest. He's a .372 goal per game player for his career. To put that in perspective Kucherov is .412 goals per game.

He's an elite scorer. Why you'd argue otherwise, I am unsure.

You can make a case for not keeping him despite his abilities. Don't think you can argue he isn't a great scorer.
- RhinoFan

He isn't a GREAT scorer.....Ovi is, Matthews is, McDavid is, Kucherov is, Patrick Kane is...

Those are ELITE...

Ill argue all day about "great" being tied to skinner....

He isn't a GREAT scorer.....Ovi is, Matthews is, McDavid is, Kucherov is, Patrick Kane is...

Those are ELITE...

Ill argue all day about "great" being tied to skinner....
- RippedFuel

Let me ask this... Lets just say for poops and giggles that Skinner scores 70 goals in a particular season.... HOWEVER he has a 10 game stretch where he does not score and the Sabres miss the playoffs that year. Does this mean it was Skinners fault they did not make the playoffs and that he would not be worth resigning?

Let me ask this... Lets just say for poops and giggles that Skinner scores 70 goals in a particular season.... HOWEVER he has a 10 game stretch where he does not score and the Sabres miss the playoffs that year. Does this mean it was Skinners fault they did not make the playoffs and that he would not be worth resigning?
- rapperray

This question has zero reality in it...and has zero to do with the topic.

I don't live in fantasy land so I wont give it a second of thought.

lets talk REALITY....when the going go tough..and we were hanging on to the playoff hunt by a hair..our "great" goal scorer decided to disappear.....THAT...is a fact, not your little fantasy world..

Let me ask this... Lets just say for poops and giggles that Skinner scores 70 goals in a particular season.... HOWEVER he has a 10 game stretch where he does not score and the Sabres miss the playoffs that year. Does this mean it was Skinners fault they did not make the playoffs and that he would not be worth resigning?
- rapperray

How about this...for poops and giggles...this "great" scorer hasnt scored 70 goals in the last TWO seasons....how ever would he score it in ONE??

Let me ask this... Lets just say for poops and giggles that Skinner scores 70 goals in a particular season.... HOWEVER he has a 10 game stretch where he does not score and the Sabres miss the playoffs that year. Does this mean it was Skinners fault they did not make the playoffs and that he would not be worth resigning?
- rapperray

for 9 million a year..if you go 9 games without a goal..WHEN THATS ALL YOU GET PAID TO DO....(not like Eichel, or Karlsson, or Mc D)….YOURE DAMN RIGHT youre the blame..

ALL YEAR??? hes carried us ALL YEAR??

so the last nine games...0 goals, -6.....that's carrying us??

when poop got real...hes vanished...

Hes carried us to 11th place.

Take a look at Jacks last nine...and then skinners...and you tell me whos doing the carrying.
- RippedFuel

Yeah, the first 55 games of the year he had 36 goals. You're going to rip on him for 9 (frank)ing games???

Get a grip.