Acquiring a top 6 level center is likely going to require giving up prospects, players, or picks that most won't be happy with.
- MJL

It’s a little nerve wracking for me but I think something like that is going to happen this summer. “Bias for action” going into effect.

I’d have some interest in Trouba. I need to watch the rest of this year play out and have someone explain to me why provorov, ghost, sanheim, Myers isn’t a real nice top 4 grouping in the making. With having ghost bounce back from injury who wouldn’t get excited over this? I just hope they don’t jump the gun on ghost.
- Just5

Why isn't Gudas our "veteran defenseman "
BTW, Ghost will be 26-27 and in year 5, Provey year 4 and both Haag and Sanhiem in year three. They may be young but they all have considerable NHL experience.

I thought it had to do with the fact you can't sign anyone beyond what the current cap number is and they have to resign both Karlsson and Pavelski and don't have enough money to do it until the NHL announces the increase to the cap. I could be wrong. I can't see San Jose giving up all those assets just for a 1 year rental.

It is also possible they are asking Karlsson to go to July 1 then sign to save a conditional pick. Again I dont have the trade details in front of me.
- youarewrong

They currently have 21M of cap space for next season then you add the total of expiring contracts which adds up to well over 30M of available tagging space.

Day 1 of post playoffs... Sign Quenneville. Use him to have Panarin sign. Trade for Duncan Keith and his semi-terrible contract. He is a 3-4 defenseman that is a vet, still good, knows Q's system, and maybe they take Macdonald to offset the cap for 1 year. Sign Hayes.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
Panarin-Patrick-Voracek
JVR-Hayes-Lindblom
Laughton-Frost-Hartman

Provorov-Ghost
Keith-Sanheim
Gudas-Myers
Hagg or Morin

Hart
Talbot

I'm sorry, that looks like a Stanley Cup contending team.
- youarewrong

They would have to protect Keith in the expansion draft due to his movement clause.

They would have to protect Keith in the expansion draft due to his movement clause.
- MJL

Yea that is a heeeeelllll to the no

would you go that route or sign a free agent?
- daryl stanley

Unless you're trading for a player well north of 30, trading for a legitimate #2 center potentially puts some combo of Frost, Farabee, Myers, Konecny, etc in play. I would rather they use free agency.

Why isn't Gudas our "veteran defenseman "
BTW, Ghost will be 26-27 and in year 5, Provey year 4 and both Haag and Sanhiem in year three. They may be young but they all have considerable NHL experience.
- jaws1955

Well I agree. I think they have a top 4. Yea it’s early with Myers but I believe he can be a pk contributor also

Why isn't Gudas our "veteran defenseman "
BTW, Ghost will be 26-27 and in year 5, Provey year 4 and both Haag and Sanhiem in year three. They may be young but they all have considerable NHL experience.
- jaws1955

Yeah, I don't see the need to sign/trade for any dmen at all. Their top-4 is basically set for years.

Yeah, I don't see the need to sign/trade for any dmen at all. Their top-4 is basically set for years.
- Tomahawk

I think there is a short term need but why pay a big cap number or trade a valuable prospect for a short term need.

Goes back to Dave Scott. We can't have a GM with an action bias. I'd like a GM who sees the impact that a player like Provorov made. More recently the impact that players like Sanheim, Hart and Myers can make. If Patrick can take another step he will make a much bigger impact and exercise some more patience.

I think there is a short term need but why pay a big cap number or trade a valuable prospect for a short term need.

Goes back to Dave Scott. We can't have a GM with an action bias. I'd like a GM who sees the impact that a player like Provorov made. More recently the impact that players like Sanheim, Hart and Myers can make. If Patrick can take another step he will make a much bigger impact and exercise some more patience.
- MJL

Think the action bias was a lame excuse.
If Carter Hart would have been called up at we left everything else the same
we would be in same position

They would have to protect Keith in the expansion draft due to his movement clause.
- MJL

Thanks for doing the research. Your right, probably not a good choice.

Unless you're trading for a player well north of 30, trading for a legitimate #2 center potentially puts some combo of Frost, Farabee, Myers, Konecny, etc in play. I would rather they use free agency.
- MJL

Especially since they have the cap space.

think about it, from this roster alone:

Giroux (automatically protected)
Voracek
JVR
Couturier
Laughton
Patrick
Lindblom
TK
Hartman

Defense:
Ghost
Hagg
Provorov
Sanheim
Morin
Myers
- nastyflyergirl

Seattle June 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed:
Seattle must choose a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2021-22 regular season and those with an aggregate Expansion Draft value that is between 60-100 percent of the prior season's upper limit for the salary cap. Seattle cannot buy out players chosen in the Expansion Draft earlier than the summer following its first season.

Current NHL teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie, or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goalie, under the following conditions.

* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits.

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:

* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.

People making good points. I'm remembering last season when MacDonald was out of the line-up and the defense couldn't hold leads and it caused the 10 game winless streak. It just seemed like they needed a calming presence that could help settle things down. Obviously MacDonald isn't that guy for them anymore. Maybe what they need isn't a top pairing guy or a 3-4 veteran. Maybe they just need someone that can settle things down when it gets crazy. Maybe a former captain or Stanley Cup winner.

Well we know you don't like Raffl.But since yesterday I m pretty certain that he will be re-signed at least to a one year deal ( maybe two years with 1.2 million per year )
- goenzoy

You don’t know anything, so let’s not assume.

I do like Michael Raffl. I just don’t think he’s worth a raise from his current 2.5 million and I don’t like how he’s used. When the chips are down, he finds his way to the top line. Last night he saw a lot of time with Giroux. I hate that. He’s not hurting us but he’s not helping us being used that way either.

I was just trying to make a point. People are too over sensitive to words. Anything can be offensive if you let it. I grew up with the mentality "sticks and stones break your bones but words will never hurt me" and this is true. Words only have meaning when you give it to them. Why is say sh*t worse than poop. What makes it a swear word? We make it a swear word. I say the same thing about the C word. You call a guy a Richard, no one bats an eye, call a woman a C word and people lose their minds. Think about it. A woman gets more upset being called a C word than a b*tch. They would rather be called a female dog than a vagina. Where is the sense in that?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I understand. The Konecny Mic’d up thing just made me shake my head at Konecny. If you’re gonna play that role, at least be funny or creative.

You don’t know anything, so let’s not assume.

I do like Michael Raffl. I just don’t think he’s worth a raise from his current 2.5 million and I don’t like how he’s used. When the chips are down, he finds his way to the top line. Last night he saw a lot of time with Giroux. I hate that. He’s not hurting us but he’s not helping us being used that way either.
- SuperSchennBros

I'd rather move on from Raffl.

Seattle June 2021 NHL Expansion Draft rules same as Golden Knights followed:
Seattle must choose a minimum of 20 players under contract for the 2021-22 regular season and those with an aggregate Expansion Draft value that is between 60-100 percent of the prior season's upper limit for the salary cap. Seattle cannot buy out players chosen in the Expansion Draft earlier than the summer following its first season.

Current NHL teams can protect seven forwards, three defensemen and one goalie, or eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goalie, under the following conditions.

* All players with no movement clauses at the time of the draft, and who decline to waive those clauses, must be protected and will be counted toward their team's applicable protection limits.

* All first- and second-year NHL players, and all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward protection limits.

In addition, all NHL teams must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the draft:

* One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played in at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons.

* One goalie who is under contract in 2021-22 or will be a restricted free agent at the end of his current contract immediately prior to 2021-22. If a team elects to make a restricted free agent goalie available to meet this requirement, that goalie must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the team's protected list.
- Chris48

This has been a topic for a lot of conversations. Its actually 2nd year Pro players. Below is a mock of the flyers protected list. This was before the TDL and they think the Flyers will sign Varlamov, but obviously it will be someone most likely Talbot.

POS. PROTECTED PLAYERS
F Claude Giroux
F Jakub Voracek
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
F Oskar Lindblom
F German Rubstov
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart
Pick: Philippe Myers (D)
Other considerations: James van Riemsdyk (F), Semyon Varlamov* (G)

Seattle could scoop up a known commodity in Van Riemsdyk, but we don't see the contract he signed this past summer ($35 million over five years) aging well. Instead, it makes more sense for the expansion team to swing for the fences on Myers, a mobile 6-foot-5, 21-year-old blue-liner who somehow went undrafted. We project Philly will sign Varlamov in 2019 - bridging the gap until Hart is ready - and the decision on which goalie to protect should be much easier by 2021.

If I'm the Flyers I think I protect 8 players instead.

F Claude Giroux
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
D Phillip Myers
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart

Obviously we are going to lose someone good. This is when you make a trade and ask them to take JVR.

I'd rather move on from Raffl.
- Streit2ThePoint

I second this.

I'd rather move on from Raffl.
- Streit2ThePoint

I'm cool with keeping Raffl as long as he's not blocking a deserving younger player.

This has been a topic for a lot of conversations. Its actually 2nd year Pro players. Below is a mock of the flyers protected list. This was before the TDL and they think the Flyers will sign Varlamov, but obviously it will be someone most likely Talbot.

POS. PROTECTED PLAYERS
F Claude Giroux
F Jakub Voracek
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
F Oskar Lindblom
F German Rubstov
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart
Pick: Philippe Myers (D)
Other considerations: James van Riemsdyk (F), Semyon Varlamov* (G)

Seattle could scoop up a known commodity in Van Riemsdyk, but we don't see the contract he signed this past summer ($35 million over five years) aging well. Instead, it makes more sense for the expansion team to swing for the fences on Myers, a mobile 6-foot-5, 21-year-old blue-liner who somehow went undrafted. We project Philly will sign Varlamov in 2019 - bridging the gap until Hart is ready - and the decision on which goalie to protect should be much easier by 2021.

If I'm the Flyers I think I protect 8 players instead.

F Claude Giroux
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
D Phillip Myers
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart

Obviously we are going to lose someone good. This is when you make a trade and ask them to take JVR.
- youarewrong

Gun to my head I would say we lose Hagg.

This has been a topic for a lot of conversations. Its actually 2nd year Pro players. Below is a mock of the flyers protected list. This was before the TDL and they think the Flyers will sign Varlamov, but obviously it will be someone most likely Talbot.

POS. PROTECTED PLAYERS
F Claude Giroux
F Jakub Voracek
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
F Oskar Lindblom
F German Rubstov
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart
Pick: Philippe Myers (D)
Other considerations: James van Riemsdyk (F), Semyon Varlamov* (G)

Seattle could scoop up a known commodity in Van Riemsdyk, but we don't see the contract he signed this past summer ($35 million over five years) aging well. Instead, it makes more sense for the expansion team to swing for the fences on Myers, a mobile 6-foot-5, 21-year-old blue-liner who somehow went undrafted. We project Philly will sign Varlamov in 2019 - bridging the gap until Hart is ready - and the decision on which goalie to protect should be much easier by 2021.

If I'm the Flyers I think I protect 8 players instead.

F Claude Giroux
F Sean Couturier
F Nolan Patrick
F Travis Konecny
D Phillip Myers
D Shayne Gostisbehere
D Ivan Provorov
D Travis Sanheim
G Carter Hart

Obviously we are going to lose someone good. This is when you make a trade and ask them to take JVR.
- youarewrong

One of the lessons learned from the last expansion draft was that the teams that traded away various assets to Vegas to protect other players that could have been selected gave up way too much and Vegas made out like a bandit. That won't happen again. This time around I imagine that teams will just let Seattle choose who they want and not give any extra picks or personnel.

I understand. The Konecny Mic’d up thing just made me shake my head at Konecny. If you’re gonna play that role, at least be funny or creative.
- SuperSchennBros

I wasnt actually offended. Just an example. I personally thought it was hilarious. It wasnt any thing crazy but he def annoyed the crap out of Johnsson and Guenzel. Watched the full thing last night and they were losing it lol

I wasnt actually offended. Just an example. I personally thought it was hilarious. It wasnt any thing crazy but he def annoyed the crap out of Johnsson and Guenzel. Watched the full thing last night and they were losing it lol
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I watched it too and thought it was pretty funny. Him calling Malkin a nerd had me cracking up.

I'd rather move on from Raffl.
- Streit2ThePoint

Why ? I mean I would have agreed before trade deadline and his poor play with limited minutes.But yesterday we played with 3 AHL players in a must win game and it was only one winger hurt.I don't think that next year 3 prospects are capable to play a 82 game season at the level of Raffl.