Why ? I mean I would have agreed before trade deadline and his poor play with limited minutes.But yesterday we played with 3 AHL players in a must win game and it was only one winger hurt.I don't think that next year 3 prospects are capable to play a 82 game season at the level of Raffl.
- goenzoy

Exactly, before moving on from Raffl, they need to make sure they have NHL replacements for Varone, Knight and Bailey. Those guys are nice to have in your system but not in your lineup on a regular basis.

However, I don't think Raffl is here next year. I think he'll get an offer that the Flyers shouldn't give out for him.

Not sure Panarin is a realist add imo. Not at least without moving someone

We have 50 mill tied up and We have to sign:
Provorov: 5-7 mill
Sanheim: 3-5 mill
Talbot: 2.5 mill
Laughton: 1 mill
Raffl: 1-2 mill
Bailey: 1 mill
Konecny: 3-5 mill
Hartman: 1 mill

Thats 17.5 - 24 mill

I think there is a short term need but why pay a big cap number or trade a valuable prospect for a short term need.

Goes back to Dave Scott. We can't have a GM with an action bias. I'd like a GM who sees the impact that a player like Provorov made. More recently the impact that players like Sanheim, Hart and Myers can make. If Patrick can take another step he will make a much bigger impact and exercise some more patience.
- MJL

That short term need might only be for a few months, if even.

I believe Myers is about to do what Sanheim's done, but in an abbreviated timeframe. He's already got the size/strength to hold his own, and he doesn't seem to have as many junior hockey habits to break.

As for Fletch, he seems about as prudent as Hextall so far. He probably could have traded half the team away by now, but he hasn't. Let's just hope that patience continues through the summer. We definitely don't need some Parise/Suter kind of splash.

Think the action bias was a lame excuse.
If Carter Hart would have been called up at we left everything else the same
we would be in same position
- goenzoy

I agree.

You don’t know anything, so let’s not assume.

I do like Michael Raffl. I just don’t think he’s worth a raise from his current 2.5 million and I don’t like how he’s used. When the chips are down, he finds his way to the top line. Last night he saw a lot of time with Giroux. I hate that. He’s not hurting us but he’s not helping us being used that way either.
- SuperSchennBros

I agree but they should re-sign him for max 2 years with max 1.5 per year
Also with Giroux it is exactly the thing that Giroux gets better during a game when paired with Raffl.Kind of neutral mode where he (G) can relax a bit defensive wise

Why ? I mean I would have agreed before trade deadline and his poor play with limited minutes.But yesterday we played with 3 AHL players in a must win game and it was only one winger hurt.I don't think that next year 3 prospects are capable to play a 82 game season at the level of Raffl.
- goenzoy

So you made up your mind after last night’s loss, that was a must win, based on who he played with?

Not sure Panarin is a realist add imo. Not at least without moving someone

We have 50 mill tied up and We have to sign:
Provorov: 5-7 mill
Sanheim: 3-5 mill
Talbot: 2.5 mill
Laughton: 1 mill
Raffl: 1-2 mill
Bailey: 1 mill
Konecny: 3-5 mill
Hartman: 1 mill

Thats 17.5 - 24 mill
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

They can fit him with room to spare if they buyout amac.

Not sure Panarin is a realist add imo. Not at least without moving someone

We have 50 mill tied up and We have to sign:
Provorov: 5-7 mill
Sanheim: 3-5 mill
Talbot: 2.5 mill
Laughton: 1 mill
Raffl: 1-2 mill
Bailey: 1 mill
Konecny: 3-5 mill
Hartman: 1 mill

Thats 17.5 - 24 mill
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

We have 46 mil for contracts to be on nhl roster. Doubt bailey and rafl are here as well.

So you made up your mind after last night’s loss, that was a must win, based on who he played with?
- SuperSchennBros

No I didn't even see the match but clearly with 11 FW who played yesterday and 3 with AHL background by only one missing to injury there is a depth problem
with wingers.Particularly LW
If they acquire another LW during off-season like last year with JVR and we see a callup from a prospect before season ends it might be a different story
Also with Vorobyev they thought that he finally made after training camp

That short term need might only be for a few months, if even.

I believe Myers is about to do what Sanheim's done, but in an abbreviated timeframe. He's already got the size/strength to hold his own, and he doesn't seem to have as many junior hockey habits to break.

As for Fletch, he seems about as prudent as Hextall so far. He probably could have traded half the team away by now, but he hasn't. Let's just hope that patience continues through the summer. We definitely don't need some Parise/Suter kind of splash.
- Tomahawk

I hope your dead-on about Fletch. So far so good.

No I didn't even see the match but clearly with 11 FW who played yesterday and 3 with AHL background by only one missing to injury there is a depth problem
with wingers.Particularly LW
If they acquire another LW during off-season like last year with JVR and we see a callup from a prospect before season ends it might be a different story
Also with Vorobyev they thought that he finally made after training camp
- goenzoy

Their issue isn't on wing, It's center. If we can get a decent 2nd line center or if Patrick steps it up next season then Giroux moves back to leftwing. Your leftwings are Giroux, JVR, Lindblom, and Laughton on the 4th line.

Their rightwing is Konecny, Voracek, and Hartman. Insert Player X for a 4th line role.

Their centers are Couturier & Patrick. If Patrick can be the 2nd line center then maybe...maybe Frost can be your 3rd line center. I would prefer getting Duchene because he can play center and wing just like Giroux so it gives us a lot of options. Just adding Duchene makes the offense look so much better.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Hartman
Laughton-Rubstov-Voroboyov

or

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Duchene-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-Frost
Laughton-Rubstov-Hartman

Why ? I mean I would have agreed before trade deadline and his poor play with limited minutes.But yesterday we played with 3 AHL players in a must win game and it was only one winger hurt.I don't think that next year 3 prospects are capable to play a 82 game season at the level of Raffl.
- goenzoy

I mean if they sign him for around a milly or less, then sure I wouldn't have a big issue bringing him back.

That short term need might only be for a few months, if even.

I believe Myers is about to do what Sanheim's done, but in an abbreviated timeframe. He's already got the size/strength to hold his own, and he doesn't seem to have as many junior hockey habits to break.

As for Fletch, he seems about as prudent as Hextall so far. He probably could have traded half the team away by now, but he hasn't. Let's just hope that patience continues through the summer. We definitely don't need some Parise/Suter kind of splash.
- Tomahawk

With this free agent market I would be very upset if we didnt land a top quality player. Just one player makes a huge difference. It will take a lot of pressure off Patrick and any young players coming into the lineup because they wont be counted on to score. I think back to 2008 when our 3rd line was JVR-Giroux-Asham. If you expect Giroux and JVR to carry the team then we never make it to the finals. A Lindblom-Patrick-Frost line reminds me a lot of JVR-Giroux-Asham... without the goon.

One of the lessons learned from the last expansion draft was that the teams that traded away various assets to Vegas to protect other players that could have been selected gave up way too much and Vegas made out like a bandit. That won't happen again. This time around I imagine that teams will just let Seattle choose who they want and not give any extra picks or personnel.
- RustyPipes

The difference is the Flyers would be giving up probably a small asset to have them take JVR. JVR will be their version of James Neal. He is still a good player, but it keeps them from picking Voracek, or Lindblom, or whomever else we get over the next 2 years. The teams that got in trouble are the ones that gave up a semi-struggling young player or players that were just hinting at breaking out. I will gladly give up a 2nd round pick if they take JVR and his 7.5 million contract, because we will need that to resign Hart.

The difference is the Flyers would be giving up probably a small asset to have them take JVR. JVR will be their version of James Neal. He is still a good player, but it keeps them from picking Voracek, or Lindblom, or whomever else we get over the next 2 years. The teams that got in trouble are the ones that gave up a semi-struggling young player or players that were just hinting at breaking out. I will gladly give up a 2nd round pick if they take JVR and his 7.5 million contract, because we will need that to resign Hart.
- youarewrong

What makes you think the Flyers wouldn't protect JVR?

Giving up a 2nd round pick in that scenario is a bad move in my opinion.

What makes you think the Flyers wouldn't protect JVR?

Giving up a 2nd round pick in that scenario is a bad move in my opinion.
- MJL

It's the same "our players aren't valuable" reaction that has been prevalent for awhile now. How many times have people said..."We should trade Jake. but nobody will take that contract without adding something or taking garbage back."

I just dont see that...a 70+ pt player still in his good years at 215lbs and people think we need to ADD something to get people to take him? No way

What makes you think the Flyers wouldn't protect JVR?

Giving up a 2nd round pick in that scenario is a bad move in my opinion.
- MJL

Honestly do we want JVR still? If we were to land Panarin, chances are JVR could be a 7 Mill 3rd line player on the team. He would keep top PP minutes assuming someone doesnt out shine him. You cant really say you wouldnt do it without seeing what the make up of the team is and his performance going forward

Honestly do we want JVR still? If we were to land Panarin, chances are JVR could be a 7 Mill 3rd line player on the team. He would keep top PP minutes assuming someone doesnt out shine him. You cant really say you wouldnt do it without seeing what the make up of the team is and his performance going forward
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The best thing about having an excess of good players is that you can use that to improve the team in other areas. I think there is a good chance that in two years he's still going to be a good player. I don't see giving up a 2nd round pick to give him away with no return as good asset management. If he's no longer a good player why would an expansion team want him at 7M a year?

The best thing about having an excess of good players is that you can use that to improve the team in other areas. I think there is a good chance that in two years he's still going to be a good player. I don't see giving up a 2nd round pick to give him away with no return as good asset management. If he's no longer a good player why would an expansion team want him at 7M a year?
- MJL

I agree. If he isn't protected, I wouldn't want to offer Seattle a 2nd pick to take him. If they want him, then take him - no extra assets!

Honestly do we want JVR still? If we were to land Panarin, chances are JVR could be a 7 Mill 3rd line player on the team. He would keep top PP minutes assuming someone doesnt out shine him. You cant really say you wouldnt do it without seeing what the make up of the team is and his performance going forward
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

JvR and Panarin serve two different purposes. Why would JvR be a 7 million third liner? Ohhhhh, because everyone assumes Giroux is destined to play the wing.

Their issue isn't on wing, It's center. If we can get a decent 2nd line center or if Patrick steps it up next season then Giroux moves back to leftwing. Your leftwings are Giroux, JVR, Lindblom, and Laughton on the 4th line.

Their rightwing is Konecny, Voracek, and Hartman. Insert Player X for a 4th line role.

Their centers are Couturier & Patrick. If Patrick can be the 2nd line center then maybe...maybe Frost can be your 3rd line center. I would prefer getting Duchene because he can play center and wing just like Giroux so it gives us a lot of options. Just adding Duchene makes the offense look so much better.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Patrick-Voracek
Lindblom-Frost-Hartman
Laughton-Rubstov-Voroboyov

or

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Duchene-Voracek
Lindblom-Patrick-Frost
Laughton-Rubstov-Hartman
- youarewrong

Laughton should play center and if can pick between Voroboyov and Raffl I would go with Raffl.
But seeing Cots on your list as 1C makes me very happy he is a huge steal
A 7/8 million man playing for 4.5 million

Exactly, before moving on from Raffl, they need to make sure they have NHL replacements for Varone, Knight and Bailey. Those guys are nice to have in your system but not in your lineup on a regular basis.

However, I don't think Raffl is here next year. I think he'll get an offer that the Flyers shouldn't give out for him.
- FlyerFan16

Maybe you are right as he is quit an odd player what serves as glue on a lot of teams

With this free agent market I would be very upset if we didnt land a top quality player. Just one player makes a huge difference. It will take a lot of pressure off Patrick and any young players coming into the lineup because they wont be counted on to score. I think back to 2008 when our 3rd line was JVR-Giroux-Asham. If you expect Giroux and JVR to carry the team then we never make it to the finals. A Lindblom-Patrick-Frost line reminds me a lot of JVR-Giroux-Asham... without the goon.
- youarewrong

Under normal circumstances, sure... but the expansion draft changes the calculus. You can only protect so many players.

JvR and Panarin serve two different purposes. Why would JvR be a 7 million third liner? Ohhhhh, because everyone assumes Giroux is destined to play the wing.
- SuperSchennBros

Seems pretty obvious the coach would rather have him at wing than center.

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