I'm actually commenting on how Stone got overpaid.
A deal around the 8m mark, even 8.5m would have made far more sense.
Ryan Johansen, a similar player in terms of being a complete two-way player, got 8m for the same length of a contract about 2 years back, yet he was a center and already had a 70 point season under his belt.
Sure, it has been two years and the cap has gone up, but Stone has yet to crack 70, and is a winger.
9.5 for Stone ... Las Vegas overpaid.
And Kucherov >>> Stone... in terms of value.
It ain't even close lol. Kucherov's dominance has statistically put him on the same level as McDavid. Not saying Kucherov is a McDavid, but Kucherov's underlying stats in terms of contribution are similar or even better than that of McDavid's.
See this link for more info:
- EdmHockeyMan
To address your point regarding Kucherov's level of dominance, I looked into creating a small data sample of players who I think represent an elite level of play from the wing. The names I've included are those who populate the upper echelon of quality on the wings. I've got Wheeler, Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Hall, Ovechkin, Kucherov and Stone and tossed in a couple Cs you mentioned in McDavid and Johansen just to diversify the data set. Let's see how you do distinguishing who is who out of their even strength numbers.
A: 53.8% CF, 55.2% FF, 54.1% HDCF, 61.3 HDGF, 48.5% GF
B: 53% CF, 53.7% FF, 58.9% HDCF, 58.8 HDGF, 57.5% GF
C: 54.3% CF, 53.4% FF, 52.7% HDCF, 55.4 HDGF, 56.2% GF
D: 50.7% CF, 50.3% FF, 48.9% HDCF, 50 HDGF, 51% GF
E: 53.1% CF, 53.3% FF, 50.9% HDCF, 49.3 HDGF, 56% GF
F: 56.6% CF, 55.1% FF, 54.5% HDCF, 50.1 HDGF, 50.4% GF
G: 54.5% CF, 54.9% FF, 59.1% HDCF, 51.8% HDGF, 53.5% GF
H: 49.1% CF, 48.8% FF, 43.6% HDCF, 56.5% HDGF, 53.2% GF
I: 48.5% CF, 48.5% FF, 42.7% HDCF, 47.9% HDGF, 54.7% GF
With the exception of the bottom one, most of these blend in relatively well, wouldn't you say? Now for their /60 rates at EV and their team relative GF numbers:
A: +8.5 RelGF%, 3.69 GF/60, 3.92 GA/60
B: +8.1 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.31 GA/60
C: +3.08 RelGF%, 3.85 GF/60, 3.01 GA/60
D: +9.4 RelGF%, 3.86 GF/60, 3.71 GA/60
E: -0.6 RelGF%, 4.16 GF/60, 3.27 GA/60
F: -9.49 RelGF%,3.84 GF/60, 3.78 GA/60
G: +2.7 RelGF%, 3.13 GF/60, 2.72 GA/60
H: +0.3 RelGF%, 3.72 GF/60, 3.28 GA/60
I: +2.5 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.38 GA/60
Full disclosure, I've edited one of these numbers quite significantly just to not give away who Mark Stone is yet because his numbers here would make it obvious.
Obviously team-quality influences these kinds of numbers quite heavily hence the one egregious positive example and the one particularly bad negative one. Specifically, quality of linemates is bound to have a pretty exceptional impact on these numbers, right? They're bound to be playing with their fellow best players, right? Well, here is each of the players' most common linemates (expressed with their experience and even strength production):
A: A sophomore w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
B: A rookie w/ 30 points and a rookie w/ 28 points
C: A veteran w/ 50 points and a veteran w/ 43 points
D: A young player w/ 55 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
E: A young player w/ 49 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
F: A veteran w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 31 points*
G: A veteran w/ 44 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
H: A veteran w/ 52 points and a sophomore w/ 36 points
I: A veteran w/ 40 points and a veteran w/ 39 points
*both main linemates missed significant time w/ injuries
With the information provided, can you figure out who is who and, more specifically, who is Stone?