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MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 5:40 PM ET
We will see how it goes....if all else fails we will have thing 3 to turn to (no idea who the emergency back up is)
- RatedR80

I mean, worst case scenario is that he gets caved in and never plays a good game for us at which point we don't resign him. No downside here. It's a scheduled loss.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 5:56 PM ET
That’d be you.
- Wildschwein


Well if that’s the case then plan the parade (the draft lotto one)
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 5:57 PM ET
I mean, worst case scenario is that he gets caved in and never plays a good game for us at which point we don't resign him. No downside here. It's a scheduled loss.
- MaximumBone


At first when the trade happened I thought they were going to give him a shot but with how the have been going with Koskenin I guess it’s now safe to say the trade was just a trade to shed cap
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Mar 9 @ 6:08 PM ET
Hey oil fans! I've infiltrated your blog to share a fun video - a Hockey Day in Canada montage

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I'm planning on making more so would love some comments. All clips were from CBC/Sportsnet and music from Metric (Dark Saturday). Thanks!

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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Mar 9 @ 6:18 PM ET
Hey oil fans! I've infiltrated your blog to share a fun video - a Hockey Day in Canada montage

If you enjoy content like this, please give it a look. If you enjoyed it, I'd really appreciate a like and share with some friends. It really helps on platforms like this when starting out to get the message out. I've been meaning to get into hockey montages and I finally got around to finishing this after weeks. It's my first edit so all constructive feedback is welcome! The first part I realize has a bit too much light editing, but the last ~1:00 has gotten some great reviews (from friends) so far.

I'm planning on making more so would love some comments. All clips were from CBC/Sportsnet and music from Metric (Dark Saturday). Thanks!

https://youtu.be/3HYgwXaFKsQ

- LittleBroDougie


Needs more Draisaitl.
Oilersrno.1
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.18.2011

Mar 9 @ 6:28 PM ET
Keith Gretzky was right beside Chiarelli when he chose to trade Hall for Larsson, and two high picks for Griffin Reinhart, and so many other poor trades that put the Oilers into this position. He may not have been the one to orchestrate the trades, but he stood pat as Peter Chiarelli took an ice pick to this team and lobotomized it. That cannot go unnoticed.

For the record, Keith was hired August 2, 2016 while the Reinhart trade was on June 26, 2015 and the Hall - Larsson trade was June 29th, 2016.
oil90
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 12.05.2010

Mar 9 @ 6:48 PM ET
Keith Gretzky was right beside Chiarelli when he chose to trade Hall for Larsson, and two high picks for Griffin Reinhart, and so many other poor trades that put the Oilers into this position. He may not have been the one to orchestrate the trades, but he stood pat as Peter Chiarelli took an ice pick to this team and lobotomized it. That cannot go unnoticed.

For the record, Keith was hired August 2, 2016 while the Reinhart trade was on June 26, 2015 and the Hall - Larsson trade was June 29th, 2016.

- Oilersrno.1


I quite remember the same timeline.
Either way i doubt keith is the right choice at this time esp with this team. I say hextall.
oil90
Edmonton Oilers
Location: ON
Joined: 12.05.2010

Mar 9 @ 6:50 PM ET
Wouldnt it be great if stolarz throws out one of those 50 save shotouts.
LittleBroDougie
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.03.2017

Mar 9 @ 6:51 PM ET
Needs more Draisaitl.
- Wildschwein


Tell him to score more, it was real tough finding oil highlights for that game.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 6:58 PM ET
Tell him to score more, it was real tough finding oil highlights for that game.
- LittleBroDougie


41 goals this year isn’t enough?

Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Mar 9 @ 7:49 PM ET
Say what you want about Russell but the guy is a (frank)ing warrior.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 7:52 PM ET
I'm actually commenting on how Stone got overpaid.

A deal around the 8m mark, even 8.5m would have made far more sense.

Ryan Johansen, a similar player in terms of being a complete two-way player, got 8m for the same length of a contract about 2 years back, yet he was a center and already had a 70 point season under his belt.

Sure, it has been two years and the cap has gone up, but Stone has yet to crack 70, and is a winger.

9.5 for Stone ... Las Vegas overpaid.

And Kucherov >>> Stone... in terms of value.

It ain't even close lol. Kucherov's dominance has statistically put him on the same level as McDavid. Not saying Kucherov is a McDavid, but Kucherov's underlying stats in terms of contribution are similar or even better than that of McDavid's.

See this link for more info:

- EdmHockeyMan

To address your point regarding Kucherov's level of dominance, I looked into creating a small data sample of players who I think represent an elite level of play from the wing. The names I've included are those who populate the upper echelon of quality on the wings. I've got Wheeler, Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Hall, Ovechkin, Kucherov and Stone and tossed in a couple Cs you mentioned in McDavid and Johansen just to diversify the data set. Let's see how you do distinguishing who is who out of their even strength numbers.

A: 53.8% CF, 55.2% FF, 54.1% HDCF, 61.3 HDGF, 48.5% GF
B: 53% CF, 53.7% FF, 58.9% HDCF, 58.8 HDGF, 57.5% GF
C: 54.3% CF, 53.4% FF, 52.7% HDCF, 55.4 HDGF, 56.2% GF
D: 50.7% CF, 50.3% FF, 48.9% HDCF, 50 HDGF, 51% GF
E: 53.1% CF, 53.3% FF, 50.9% HDCF, 49.3 HDGF, 56% GF
F: 56.6% CF, 55.1% FF, 54.5% HDCF, 50.1 HDGF, 50.4% GF
G: 54.5% CF, 54.9% FF, 59.1% HDCF, 51.8% HDGF, 53.5% GF
H: 49.1% CF, 48.8% FF, 43.6% HDCF, 56.5% HDGF, 53.2% GF
I: 48.5% CF, 48.5% FF, 42.7% HDCF, 47.9% HDGF, 54.7% GF

With the exception of the bottom one, most of these blend in relatively well, wouldn't you say? Now for their /60 rates at EV and their team relative GF numbers:

A: +8.5 RelGF%, 3.69 GF/60, 3.92 GA/60
B: +8.1 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.31 GA/60
C: +3.08 RelGF%, 3.85 GF/60, 3.01 GA/60
D: +9.4 RelGF%, 3.86 GF/60, 3.71 GA/60
E: -0.6 RelGF%, 4.16 GF/60, 3.27 GA/60
F: -9.49 RelGF%,3.84 GF/60, 3.78 GA/60
G: +2.7 RelGF%, 3.13 GF/60, 2.72 GA/60
H: +0.3 RelGF%, 3.72 GF/60, 3.28 GA/60
I: +2.5 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.38 GA/60

Full disclosure, I've edited one of these numbers quite significantly just to not give away who Mark Stone is yet because his numbers here would make it obvious.

Obviously team-quality influences these kinds of numbers quite heavily hence the one egregious positive example and the one particularly bad negative one. Specifically, quality of linemates is bound to have a pretty exceptional impact on these numbers, right? They're bound to be playing with their fellow best players, right? Well, here is each of the players' most common linemates (expressed with their experience and even strength production):

A: A sophomore w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
B: A rookie w/ 30 points and a rookie w/ 28 points
C: A veteran w/ 50 points and a veteran w/ 43 points
D: A young player w/ 55 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
E: A young player w/ 49 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
F: A veteran w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 31 points*
G: A veteran w/ 44 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
H: A veteran w/ 52 points and a sophomore w/ 36 points
I: A veteran w/ 40 points and a veteran w/ 39 points

*both main linemates missed significant time w/ injuries

With the information provided, can you figure out who is who and, more specifically, who is Stone?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 7:52 PM ET
What a soft-cock of a penalty call against Drai that led to the goal, but I expect nothing less when Eastern Conference teams come to town. The West and East seem to have different rules.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 7:54 PM ET
Stolarz is all I pretty much have to say about the 1st period.....they better take advantage of thier PP to open the 2nd
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 8:01 PM ET
Stolarz is all I pretty much have to say about the 1st period.....they better take advantage of thier PP to open the 2nd
- RatedR80

They won't. It's a period opening penalty.
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 8:06 PM ET
They won't. It's a period opening penalty.
- MaximumBone


I’m having flashbacks of last game going into the 2nd
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 8:07 PM ET
I’m having flashbacks of last game going into the 2nd
- RatedR80

I think those are called premonitions when we already know the result is gonna be a loss
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Mar 9 @ 8:22 PM ET
Let Draisaitl score, (frank)
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 8:22 PM ET
I think those are called premonitions when we already know the result is gonna be a loss
- MaximumBone


I was just hoping it wasn’t 6-2 again but we might not even get 2 at this rate
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 8:28 PM ET
Wtf was that?
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Mar 9 @ 8:31 PM ET
Wtf was that?
- RatedR80

Sekera trying too hard to take away the passing lane because Russell stopped moving his legs?
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 8:32 PM ET
Sekera trying too hard to take away the passing lane because Russell stopped moving his legs?
- MaximumBone


Yeah that was a mess in our end.....looked too easy for JT......we should also have 5 Oilers sitting on the boards prior to shift changes
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 9 @ 9:39 PM ET
The strategy of waiting 58 minutes proved to be a failure
Oilers4Life14
Detroit Red Wings
Location: ON
Joined: 03.06.2013

Mar 9 @ 9:41 PM ET
The strategy of waiting 58 minutes proved to be a failure
- RatedR80


I'd rather they lose 3-0.

Guess Draisaitl and McDavid got two points so whatever.
EdmHockeyMan
Referee
Location: Lumbridge, AB
Joined: 06.24.2013

Mar 9 @ 10:23 PM ET
To address your point regarding Kucherov's level of dominance, I looked into creating a small data sample of players who I think represent an elite level of play from the wing. The names I've included are those who populate the upper echelon of quality on the wings. I've got Wheeler, Gaudreau, Tarasenko, Hall, Ovechkin, Kucherov and Stone and tossed in a couple Cs you mentioned in McDavid and Johansen just to diversify the data set. Let's see how you do distinguishing who is who out of their even strength numbers.

A: 53.8% CF, 55.2% FF, 54.1% HDCF, 61.3 HDGF, 48.5% GF
B: 53% CF, 53.7% FF, 58.9% HDCF, 58.8 HDGF, 57.5% GF
C: 54.3% CF, 53.4% FF, 52.7% HDCF, 55.4 HDGF, 56.2% GF
D: 50.7% CF, 50.3% FF, 48.9% HDCF, 50 HDGF, 51% GF
E: 53.1% CF, 53.3% FF, 50.9% HDCF, 49.3 HDGF, 56% GF
F: 56.6% CF, 55.1% FF, 54.5% HDCF, 50.1 HDGF, 50.4% GF
G: 54.5% CF, 54.9% FF, 59.1% HDCF, 51.8% HDGF, 53.5% GF
H: 49.1% CF, 48.8% FF, 43.6% HDCF, 56.5% HDGF, 53.2% GF
I: 48.5% CF, 48.5% FF, 42.7% HDCF, 47.9% HDGF, 54.7% GF

With the exception of the bottom one, most of these blend in relatively well, wouldn't you say? Now for their /60 rates at EV and their team relative GF numbers:

A: +8.5 RelGF%, 3.69 GF/60, 3.92 GA/60
B: +8.1 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.31 GA/60
C: +3.08 RelGF%, 3.85 GF/60, 3.01 GA/60
D: +9.4 RelGF%, 3.86 GF/60, 3.71 GA/60
E: -0.6 RelGF%, 4.16 GF/60, 3.27 GA/60
F: -9.49 RelGF%,3.84 GF/60, 3.78 GA/60
G: +2.7 RelGF%, 3.13 GF/60, 2.72 GA/60
H: +0.3 RelGF%, 3.72 GF/60, 3.28 GA/60
I: +2.5 RelGF%, 4.09 GF/60, 3.38 GA/60

Full disclosure, I've edited one of these numbers quite significantly just to not give away who Mark Stone is yet because his numbers here would make it obvious.

Obviously team-quality influences these kinds of numbers quite heavily hence the one egregious positive example and the one particularly bad negative one. Specifically, quality of linemates is bound to have a pretty exceptional impact on these numbers, right? They're bound to be playing with their fellow best players, right? Well, here is each of the players' most common linemates (expressed with their experience and even strength production):

A: A sophomore w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
B: A rookie w/ 30 points and a rookie w/ 28 points
C: A veteran w/ 50 points and a veteran w/ 43 points
D: A young player w/ 55 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
E: A young player w/ 49 points and a veteran w/ 30 points
F: A veteran w/ 35 points and a veteran w/ 31 points*
G: A veteran w/ 44 points and a veteran w/ 32 points
H: A veteran w/ 52 points and a sophomore w/ 36 points
I: A veteran w/ 40 points and a veteran w/ 39 points

*both main linemates missed significant time w/ injuries

With the information provided, can you figure out who is who and, more specifically, who is Stone?

- MaximumBone


A - Hall
B - Stone
C - Gaudreau
D - McDavid
E - Kucherov
F - Johansen
G - Tarasenko
H - Wheeler
I - Ovi

I see your arguement, however, you have one fatal flaw from my perspective. Why relGF% and not rel. GF/60? RelGF% can be exaggerated by sample size and anomolies. Rel GF/60 on the other hand amounts for this to an extent (from my understanding). Overall, I just like how GF/60 rel. standardizes the data set.

In fact, if you look at the rel. GF% data that represents Kucherov and compare it to his forward teammates, Danick Martel (only 78 minutes of hockey played w/TBL) leads this category with a whooping 36.59 GF% rel... which indirectly may represent how an outlier highly influences this stat. Meanwhile, Nikita Kucherov is in the middle of the pack (compared to his teammates) with respect to that stat.

Furthermore, if you switch to rel. GF/60, Ovi (leads), Kucherov (leads), McDavid (leads), Gaudreau (2nd), Johansen (4th), Tarasenko (4th), Hall (1st), Stone (Leads with Ottawa, but more on this later) and Wheeler (2nd) all lead the team or are top 4 in that stat department, not to mention everyone else near the top can be considered the team's best players (subjectively), thus proving its viability and accuracy with respect to predicting or correlating who is the best in terms of offensive contribution.

Meanwhile, relGF% has all kinds of anomalies causing nuisances with visualizing the team in that specific department or adding onto the bigger picture. TBL has Danick Martel leading the way, yet he is last in rel GF/60. Nashville's relGF% is a joke of a stat with the range being from 56.92 to -100, with Johansen at -9.49. All of the team's best players (subjectively), including Forsberg, Johansen, Turris, Arvidsson, and others are ranked near the bottom and have negative relGF% values. Winnipeg's players relGF% is also quite conflicting with respect to where your top players are. Wheeler sits in the middle of the pack (while is 2nd in rel GF/60), while Copp and Appleton lead the way. Issues are also evident in the other teams of the players you mentioned when it comes to relGF%. By utilizing rel GF/60 instead, there is far less variation in terms of data sets along with a far more accurate portrayal of the elite as actually elite with respect to who you would expect.

Lastly, none of the players you mentioned have a negative rel GF/60 value. But do you know who does with his new team after 5 games? Mark Stone. -0.23. Ranked 12/19 in that department. Lowest value and rank out of all of them when it comes to their current rel GF/60 (rel GF/60 value with their current team), despite his 28.57 relGF% which leads the Knights. Just something interesting to consider.

*Parameters are even-stength, forwards only, and the source is natural stat trick.
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