Less than a month away until the draft lotto where we will finish first. Hopefully that will quiet nuckers complaining for awhile and it will prove to Makita that Green is a great coach
- CanuckDon

Not sure what you are on about Don, but Green is Jack Adams material, bestest bottom 5 coach in history, time for a bronze statue.

Again, if you’re this fired up about it then do the research yourself. People who’ve held front office jobs say that GM’s don’t have the time to scout an entire draft. They’re familiar with their top 30-40 ranked players and that’s about it. So I’m sure Benning knew plenty about Virtanen, McCann, Boeser, Demko, Lind, Juolevi, Pettersson, Hughes and Woo. But I doubt he saw many of the others play live.

My argument has always been that I prefer a GM who’s better at trades, contracts and NHL/AHL evaluation than Benning and to keep Brackett to fun the draft and scouting department.

There’s more to GM’ing than scouting 30-50 draft prospects.
- Nucker101

As Rueben said very accurately, Brackett didn't draft anyone of merit prior to Benning. Benning established who will be drafted, how to evaluate players not Brackett. A new GM is just going to keep all of that structure? I'd rather keep the drafting that is working, bring a Lawrence Gilman type to assist him.

Not sure what you are on about Don, but Green is Jack Adams material, bestest bottom 5 coach in history, time for a bronze statue.
- Makita

Glad to see you are coming around Makita 👋🏼

Glad to see you are coming around Makita 👋🏼
- CanuckDon

Had to, while out driving to Port Renfrew I was being stalked by a minivan with Manitoba plates, I’ve seen the light

I'm not very happy with how things are being run in Utica. There's been a lot of discussion on this and some media personalities put some work into figuring out the ice time distribution and starts in Utica and it looks really bad. If the emphasis was on developing down there... many of our young players would be getting more starts and better minutes. It looks worse since we are supposed to be on the cusp of a wave of youth maturing. Either Canucks management is unfortunately on the same page or they need to set the priority straight for next season. 2nd round picks Lind and Gadovich need to play more. These guys have potential and should not sit out large portions of the season.
- boonerbuck

Gadj sat about 20 games but is playing more in the last 2 months with more trust, and with better line mates.

Lind missed 13 games = 3 weeks with injury at the beginning of the season but has played his way up the lineup more and more each month as well - he's really starting to come around the past 2-3 weeks.

The adjustment to the AHL is big for most junior players, pace and physicality are huge and its a slow development curve. Id rather them learn the two way game there first, then focus on the offensive side. This is what patience looks like.

Well if you follow folks that actually watch all the comets games the common theme is the prospects just aren’t AHL ready and likely belonged in the ECHL. Lind and Gadj specifically. Tough to force a coach to give prime minutes to your worst players
- CanuckDon

I can agree with some guys not being ready but my point stands. Play them in one league or another. Are going to tell me that when you have the option to play these guys in another league, you'd sit them out for large portions of the season anyways? They need to play. We both know that.

If they dont play these kids, agents will be demanding trades as we well know now... so its more than stalling development.

Had to, while out driving to Port Renfrew I was being stalked by a minivan with Manitoba plates, I’ve seen the light
- Makita

Lol, awesome.

Had to, while out driving to Port Renfrew I was being stalked by a minivan with Manitoba plates, I’ve seen the light
- Makita

Yikes - a van full of gardening equipment and 1000s of pages of hockey buzz notes. Please don’t pull over makita

I'm not very happy with how things are being run in Utica. There's been a lot of discussion on this and some media personalities put some work into figuring out the ice time distribution and starts in Utica and it looks really bad. If the emphasis was on developing down there... many of our young players would be getting more starts and better minutes. It looks worse since we are supposed to be on the cusp of a wave of youth maturing. Either Canucks management is unfortunately on the same page or they need to set the priority straight for next season. 2nd round picks Lind and Gadovich need to play more. These guys have potential and should not sit out large portions of the season.
- boonerbuck

They need to earn it. GAdj is mollases. Can't put a losing team on the ice. They need to earn that icetime and work hard for it, just like at the NHL level. They shouldn't be gifted icetime, I'm glad that crap is over and niether Green or Johnson are doing so. Earn it or ride the pine.

Gadj sat about 20 games but is playing more in the last 2 months with more trust, and with better line mates.

Lind missed 13 games = 3 weeks with injury at the beginning of the season but has played his way up the lineup more and more each month as well - he's really starting to come around the past 2-3 weeks.

The adjustment to the AHL is big for most junior players, pace and physicality are huge and its a slow development curve. Id rather them learn the two way game there first, then focus on the offensive side. This is what patience looks like.
- Brooks_Light

This.

As Rueben said very accurately, Brackett didn't draft anyone of merit prior to Benning. Benning established who will be drafted, how to evaluate players not Brackett. A new GM is just going to keep all of that structure? I'd rather keep the drafting that is working, bring a Lawrence Gilman type to assist him.
- neem55

Partially accurate - the first 7 years he was an amateur scout with minimal input. Since being promoted to DAS in 2015 - we have Boeser, Demko, Gaudette, Lockwood, Rathbone, Hughes, Madden. There's definitely a correlation with Benning's arrival in 2014 but he also said all of Brackett's picks have had zero impact.

As Rueben said very accurately, Brackett didn't draft anyone of merit prior to Benning. Benning established who will be drafted, how to evaluate players not Brackett. A new GM is just going to keep all of that structure? I'd rather keep the drafting that is working, bring a Lawrence Gilman type to assist him.
- neem55

The reason Brackett didn't draft anyone prior to benning was because he wasn't in charge of the scouting deptartment until after Benning.

They need to earn it. GAdj is mollases. Can't put a losing team on the ice. They need to earn that icetime and work hard for it, just like at the NHL level. They shouldn't be gifted icetime, I'm glad that crap is over and niether Green or Johnson are doing so. Earn it or ride the pine.
- neem55

You are not telling me anything I dont know or dont agree with.

The ice time stats provided were not encouraging when compared to the players penciled in. Lind and Gad were not the focus of the discussions I'm referencing either. I should of not mentioned names because now it all about those two naturally.

Prospects producing were not getting sufficient ice time for development either.

The reason Brackett didn't draft anyone prior to benning was because he wasn't in charge of the scouting deptartment until after Benning.
- belcherbd

accurate

Partially accurate - the first 5 years he was an amateur scout with minimal input. Since being promoted to DAS in 2015 - we have Boeser, Demko, Lockwood, Rathbone, Hughes, Madden. There's definitely a correlation with Benning's arrival in 2014 but he also said all of Brackett's picks have had zero impact.
- Brooks_Light

The scout doesn't make picks. When you talk how well any other teams drafted, do you check the scouts? No, of course not. The GM makes the final decision, hires the scouts and trains them to evaluate players his way. That's what management is "here's how I like scouting done Judd, any questions?" Not "thanks for finding all those great players, we've had no discussions about players, style or anything like that that I'm looking for in terms of player type. Thanks so much for drafting players independent of me." Yes there are guys Brackett is high on, Madden for example at the last draft, that sways Benning's decision. But it's still JB. There's collaboration, but the buck stops with him.

The reason Brackett didn't draft anyone prior to benning was because he wasn't in charge of the scouting deptartment until after Benning.
- belcherbd

So Benning promotes him, gives him parameters and Brackett just independently finds guys for Benning. Nothing Brackett does is effected by his boss, but everything he does is deserving of praise(but not the guy who put him there, tells him how he likes things done). That's curious.

You are not telling me anything I dont know or dont agree with.

The ice time stats provided were not encouraging when compared to the players penciled in. Lind and Gad were not the focus of the discussions I'm referencing either. I should of not mentioned names because now it all about those two naturally.

Prospects producing were not getting sufficient ice time for development either.
- boonerbuck

Well they are the two ytou mentioned. Gad has looked like poop. He needs to play more? No, he needs to earn it. They don't get to play more until they play better. Lind is playing lots, since playing a better game and now is thriving. That's how development works: holding guys accountable. Green has done it brilliantly with JV and Goldy. I don't think he's the best coach, but he is good that way.

accurate
- Brooks_Light

Do you know why Green is a poopty coach?

He didn't win any NHL games prior to 2017, now under Bennings watchful eye, hes's coached 60 NHL wins!

So Benning promotes him, gives him parameters and Brackett just independently finds guys for Benning. Nothing Brackett does is effected by his boss, but everything he does is deserving of praise(but not the guy who put him there, tells him how he likes things done). That's curious.
- neem55

No one, not one person in here has suggested Benning doesn't deserve credit for promoting Brackett.

The scout doesn't make picks. When you talk how well any other teams drafted, do you check the scouts? No, of course not. The GM makes the final decision, hires the scouts and trains them to evaluate players his way. That's what management is "here's how I like scouting done Judd, any questions?" Not "thanks for finding all those great players, we've had no discussions about players, style or anything like that that I'm looking for in terms of player type. Thanks so much for drafting players independent of me." Yes there are guys Brackett is high on, Madden for example at the last draft, that sways Benning's decision. But it's still JB. There's collaboration, but the buck stops with him.
- neem55

I thought Benning said last year that the only picks he gets invloved with now is the 1st rounders?

The scout doesn't make picks. When you talk how well any other teams drafted, do you check the scouts? No, of course not. The GM makes the final decision, hires the scouts and trains them to evaluate players his was. That's what management is "here's how I like scouting done Judd, any questions?" Not "thanks for finding all those great players, we've had no discussions about players, style or anything like that that I'm looking for in terms of player type. Thanks so much for drafting players independent of me." Yes there are guys Brackett is high on, Madden for example at the last draft, that sways Benning's decision. But it's still JB. There's collaboration, but the buck stops with him.
- neem55

Thats why i said prior to him being promoted he had minimal input. There's a pretty divisive list of NCAA/USA kids prior to JBs arrival, Bracketts promotion and since. Also, what no one pointed out yet either on the topic is that of course scouts/scouting is going to improve the longer you do it. Like in any profession - people get better at their jobs with more experience and the aim/target of the type of player a team is going after changes significantly.
ei. Joe Labate 2011 - Tyler Madden 2018 -

I see no reason why you'd get rid of them. Ideally, you want them to slide down the roster. they are still good defensemen and probably better suited in a supporting role. You can't have a whole season like Saturday night versus Vegas, it'll wear the team down and negatively affect development.

What you want is to get rid of poopty defensemen like Pouliot and Schenn, maybe Biega and try to improve on the upper end.

Say for example (forget about likelihood it happens), JB signs Gardiner to be your number 1. Potentially your top 2 are Gardiner and Hughes. Arguably exponentially better than Edler and Tanev. Edler is your number 3, Stecher 4, Tanev 5 and Hutton 6 and throw in Juolevi as your callup and replacing Hutton by Christmas.

That's a playoff team defense......first round exit but I digress.....

You can't load up your defense with 3 rookies and not expect it to negatively impact the team.... Meant for Vinty....
- chompsey

You're drunk, Gardiner isn't a top pair and neither is Hughes.
Gardiner is worse then either edler or tanev at playing defense.

Do you know why Green is a poopty coach?

He didn't win any NHL games prior to 2017, now under Bennings watchful eye, hes's coached 60 NHL wins!
- belcherbd

I've lost track of the reasons

You're drunk, Gardiner isn't a top pair and neither is Hughes.
Gardiner is worse then either edler or tanev at playing defense.
- New world order

Maybe. But he’s a fair bit younger and more durable than Edler which is who he is replacing. He’s also a improvement offensively. You bring back both and all of a sudden you have not one but three that can actaully meaningfully contribute. What a novelty, some depth!

As Rueben said very accurately, Brackett didn't draft anyone of merit prior to Benning. Benning established who will be drafted, how to evaluate players not Brackett. A new GM is just going to keep all of that structure? I'd rather keep the drafting that is working, bring a Lawrence Gilman type to assist him.
- neem55

Brackett didn’t run the drafts back then, he was just one of many regional scouts so it’s a stretch to pin every American system kid on him from those drafts.

I do give Benning credit for re-organization of the scouting structure of the team, they couldn’t keep doing the same thing with their track records