Doesn't Babcock make in game adjustments? Or is he like Vingeault in that respect?
- kaptaan

The only adjustment he makes is to put hainsey back on the top pair if he is ever not on there.

Not in the least. Firing senior level management would be a board level decision, the most that Dubas could do would be to suggest it.
- TrashPanda

With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the GM, supported by the team's president.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".

The only adjustment he makes is to put hainsey back on the top pair if he is ever not on there.
- Fakepartofme

Remember the good old days, when after a horrendous goal, our coach would say to the boys, "Let's Go!"

Good times.

With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the GM, supported by the team's president.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".
- Scabeh

They never would, but it would go to the board for approval.

With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the media, supported by the fans.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".
- Scabeh

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With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the GM, supported by the team's president.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".
- Scabeh

I could see the board being involved, or at least Shanny and anyone directly around him because they are paying Babcock so much money.

I think if they lose in the first round again he will feel some heat from management. He wouldn't be fired unless he blew it in year 5 which is next year.

I don't believe dubas has the authority to fire Babcock.

Babcock will be there a couple more years then fired.
- kaptaan

Dubas can do anything Shannahan tells him too.

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- Atomic Wedgie

Poor Randy Cunneyworth.

Babcock would just send Dubas to his room and take away his telephone.
- Atomic Wedgie

NO MORE TWITLER FOR YOU YOUNG MAN.

With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the GM, supported by the team's president.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".
- Scabeh

The firing of Burke was 100% the decision of the Board.

They called him into the board room and asked him to present his medium- and long-term vision for the club.

Apparently he couldn't come up with coherent answers, and acted the entire time like the exercise was beneath him.

He was a dead man walking when he left the boardroom.

True story.

I could see the board being involved, or at least Shanny and anyone directly around him because they are paying Babcock so much money.

I think if they lose in the first round again he will feel some heat from management. He wouldn't be fired unless he blew it in year 5 which is next year.
- Aaron_85

It's not so much about the money, but the level of management and the typical corporate power structure. Remember, professional hockey teams are still a corporation and they need to follow all of the corporate norms.

I could see the board being involved, or at least Shanny and anyone directly around him because they are paying Babcock so much money.

I think if they lose in the first round again he will feel some heat from management. He wouldn't be fired unless he blew it in year 5 which is next year.
- Aaron_85

GOD couldn't help our team with the D we have right now, I don't think he'll feel much heat if we lose in the playoffs with the team we have the moment.

Also Petan, signed for 2 years and then buddy from Nashville throws him off the puck like a father son game...I'm sure Babs was laughing inside a little. ( I was )

The firing of Burke was 100% the decision of the Board.

They called him into the board room and asked him to present his medium- and long-term vision for the club.

Apparently he couldn't come up with coherent answers, and acted the entire time like the exercise was beneath him.

He was a dead man walking when he left the boardroom.

True story.
- Atomic Wedgie

He was the GM though, not the coach.

Just reading the Athletic's daily NHL playoff chances board thingy:

They list Toronto at 51% for winning the first round.

Boston at 49%.

Interesting.

Franking bizarre, but interesting.

It's not so much about the money, but the level of management and the typical corporate power structure. Remember, professional hockey teams are still a corporation and they need to follow all of the corporate norms.
- TrashPanda

You can pass that by quickly though. Dubas does the decision and the board approves. In this case, the board might want to discuss it.

With the Habs, firing the coach was always the decision of the GM, supported by the team's president.

Could be different for the Leafs I guess.

I just don't recall any Leafs GM saying "the board decided we would fire the coach".
- Scabeh

They dont.
Not sure where people are getting their info from.

Just reading the Athletic's daily NHL playoff chances board thingy:

They list Toronto at 51% for winning the first round.

Boston at 49%.

Interesting.

Franking bizarre, but interesting.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think it's good that they're falling apart now, gives them time to put things back together and roll into the playoffs at full steam.

I'm expecting a huge bouce-back game for the Leafs tonight.

I think it's good that they're falling apart now, gives them time to put things back together and roll into the playoffs at full steam.

I'm expecting a huge bouce-back game for the Leafs tonight.
- TrashPanda

Sabres are gunning for a top 5 pick so I like your chances.

You can pass that by quickly though. Dubas does the decision and the board approves. In this case, the board might want to discuss it.
- Aaron_85

The board ALWAYS wants to discuss it so that they have an informed decision when they vote. I've been on boards before and you would be shocked at the silly things that get discussed for ages.

GOD couldn't help our team with the D we have right now, I don't think he'll feel much heat if we lose in the playoffs with the team we have the moment.

Also Petan, signed for 2 years and then buddy from Nashville throws him off the puck like a father son game...I'm sure Babs was laughing inside a little. ( I was )
- Garnie

I'm not concerned for the 4th line. Petan, Moore and Brown had some jump in the game.

9 out of 10 years he won't have made it past the first round if he fails this year. Definitely going to feel heat when your halfway through your contract/rebuild and you don't have a playoff round win.

Sabres are gunning for a top 5 pick so I like your chances.
- Pegullaville

Yeah, but it's the Leafs in Buffalo.

With Sparx in net.

So as much as I would like to guarantee you guys the loss, anything can happen.

Sorry

It's not so much about the money, but the level of management and the typical corporate power structure. Remember, professional hockey teams are still a corporation and they need to follow all of the corporate norms.
- TrashPanda

It's also about the money.

Firing Babcock means paying out $6.25 million per year to have a guy sit on his ass and continue to collect his paycheque, while badmouthing the organization - probably on Sportsnet or TSN, so it gets even weirder.

Board would have to approve before any move is made.

We're making soft backhand sauce passes on the PP in the 1st 10 mins....ya, soft weak backhand sauces that end up in our end.....hard to (frank)ing score when you can't get over the blue line on the PP. The more money they make the prettier the pass has to be I guess.

On a good note, I'd like to see Matthews play like he did last night for the rest of the year. ( except the 1st 10 mins when he was trying to make soft weak backhand sauce passes )
- Garnie

Their passing has been an issue for a while, rarely do you see quick crisp passes with speed. I think it has a lot to do with positioning and the system, guys dont seem to know where the puck is going or where to be for easy out passes. Even when they ring it around in the offensive zone, it's either way to hard and bouncing for the other player to control/catch up to it or it's too soft and the D just grab it.

When you look at a team the Bruins or Lightning, there's always a safe easy outlet or the puck goes to areas where their own player can easily get it. Which is why I think their cycling is so effective, they know where to be and where to put it when they need to. Don't know if it's the system or experience but the Leafs seem to struggle in that way.

It's also about the money.

Firing Babcock means paying out $6.25 million per year to have a guy sit on his ass and continue to collect his paycheque, while badmouthing the organization - probably on Sportsnet or TSN, so it gets even weirder.

Board would have to approve before any move is made.
- Atomic Wedgie

That would be taken into consideration, but it's unlikely that would influence a decision if it was desirable for him to leave. $6.25M/yr is chump change to MLSE.

Yeah, but it's the Leafs in Buffalo.

With Sparx in net.

So as much as I would like to guarantee you guys the loss, anything can happen.

Sorry
- Atomic Wedgie

This is the first time in Sabres history we’ve lost 4 straight to the Leafs dating back to last seaso.