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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 10:41 AM ET
I think it’s time to move on but you continually fail to understand that some players aren’t paid to score goals.
- LeftCoaster

Erik Karlsson has 3 goals this season. Probably get him for under 3 million in free agency. Doesn't score goals.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 22 @ 10:42 AM ET
I like it when you think Tanev is easily replaced.
- manvanfan


I know it is not easy to replace on of Canucks greatest Dmen ever. Legend
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 10:44 AM ET
I know it is not easy to replace on of Canucks greatest Dmen ever. Legend
- VANTEL

Don't exaggerate too much now.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 10:46 AM ET
Oh I don't fail at all . I am pointing out facts that a guy blocks shots for 50 games a year only and adds nothing offensively. Yet he is a legend in Canuck fans minds.
- VANTEL

They should trade him for a few reasons, but only scoring two goals isn’t one of them.

One of the reasons Benning’s a mediocre GM is because he refuses to trade guys like Tanev at the deadline. The franchise needs to move on from these guys, but they rarely do.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun, AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Erik Karlsson has 3 goals this season. Probably get him for under 3 million in free agency. Doesn't score goals.
- manvanfan



Tanev, at one time, was a good transition dman, he made good outlets. He helped with possession and he was good defensively. That’s why he was paid a nice salary. That said, he’s lost that edge, he should’ve been moved for a pick at the TDL. Can still move him at the draft but his values really diminished because of his latest injury.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 10:58 AM ET


Tanev, at one time, was a good transition dman, he made good outlets. He helped with possession and he was good defensively. That’s why he was paid a nice salary. That said, he’s lost that edge, he should’ve been moved for a pick at the TDL. Can still move him at the draft but his values really diminished because of his latest injury.

- LeftCoaster

Who replaces him? You want Biega for 82 games as a 2nd pairing defencemen? Could sign someone equal in free agency for possibly a lot more. Drafting RHD has produced a lot of players that can easily replace Tanev already.

If and when there is a replacement or Tanev becomes an expiring asset he should be traded if the team is no good still. Otherwise, you are taking steps backwards without any guarantee of taking any step forward.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:02 AM ET


Tanev, at one time, was a good transition dman, he made good outlets. He helped with possession and he was good defensively. That’s why he was paid a nice salary. That said, he’s lost that edge, he should’ve been moved for a pick at the TDL. Can still move him at the draft but his values really diminished because of his latest injury.

- LeftCoaster

But if he was traded when his value was high, who would have mentored the d during the re-tool? Can you imagine how bad the canucks would have been? They probably would have finished bottom 5. Benning had no choice but to keep him.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:04 AM ET
Who replaces him? You want Biega for 82 games as a 2nd pairing defencemen? Could sign someone equal in free agency for possibly a lot more. Drafting RHD has produced a lot of players that can easily replace Tanev already.

If and when there is a replacement or Tanev becomes an expiring asset he should be traded if the team is no good still. Otherwise, you are taking steps backwards without any guarantee of taking any step forward.

- manvanfan


at this point, who cares is a better question. The Canuck's biggest blunder over the last decade has been keeping players long past their prime, and not dealing them at an opportune time. Tanev is good for 60 games a season, if he has horse shoes up his a$$. Send him to a good team, who can afford to lose him for 1/4 of the season and still remain competitive, and rebuild the D. Replace him with a free agent defenseman, or use Tanev as a trade chip to acquire a young one (Fabbro, etc).
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:04 AM ET
I don't think there is as much to fix as people think. There is stuff but not huge holes.

I think Canucks will make trades Virt Hutton Tanev Sutter and maybe if lucky Goldy.

I think they will send Loui down unless he has a huge hot streak


The additions of Leivo Pearson Sautner eases the pressure.

I do think they will trade for a RHD and I think they get one top 6 forward in free agency.

- VANTEL


No, No, No, Yes, sadly yes.

Virtanen......flat out nuts to trade this guy. You can't replace that speed. He's starting to figure it out, likely a consistent 20 goal guy. Plays middle 6 and great on the PK. Just no.

Hutton - you keep this guy until Juolevi shows up. On the Left side, Edler, Hughes, Juolevi, Hutton. You don't just trade a top 4 defenseman because you have a bottom pairing guy in the wings. Makes the team weaker, sorry.

Tanev - ugh, shouldve been dealt a while ago. Now, you keep him to add depth to the bottom 2 pairings. Again, you don't trade the guy unless you have a replacement for him.

Sutter - officially replaceable with Gaudette. This one isnt even a debate so Im with you on this one.

Goldobin - watching him you can tell that theres something there. He's lost in Vancouver tho. They will trade him and he will make JB look really, really bad. He's going to score 20-25 goals and get 50-55 pts.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
at this point, who cares is a better question. The Canuck's biggest blunder over the last decade has been keeping players long past their prime, and not dealing them at an opportune time. Tanev is good for 60 games a season, if he has horse shoes up his a$$. Send him to a good team, who can afford to lose him for 1/4 of the season and still remain competitive, and rebuild the D. Replace him with a free agent defenseman, or use Tanev as a trade chip to acquire a young one (Fabbro, etc).
- Codes1087



Lots of wishful thinking there. You dont think the rest of the league doesnt have a book on Tanev?

You dont trade him unless there is a replacement. This is not NHL19. RHD are hard to come by. If you can replace him, by all means, get him the eff out of here.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:07 AM ET
I know it is not easy to replace on of Canucks greatest Dmen ever. Legend
- VANTEL



This is when you know youve lost the point and the argument......
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:08 AM ET
Lots of wishful thinking there. You dont think the rest of the league doesnt have a book on Tanev?

You dont trade him unless there is a replacement. This is not NHL19. RHD are hard to come by. If you can replace him, by all means, get him the eff out of here.

- chompsey


the ship has sailed on moving Tanev, i 100% agree. A GM would have to be pretty ballsy to pay hefty anything for him, but I still see value, IF you can still be competitive knowing he could be sitting a good chunk of your season.

I don't get the NHL19 reference, I don't play that game. I assume it has something to do with trading.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Mar 22 @ 11:13 AM ET
the ship has sailed on moving Tanev, i 100% agree. A GM would have to be pretty ballsy to pay hefty anything for him, but I still see value, IF you can still be competitive knowing he could be sitting a good chunk of your season.

I don't get the NHL19 reference, I don't play that game. I assume it has something to do with trading.

- Codes1087

Yup. Now it's time to justify why Benning is a genius for not trading him.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:14 AM ET
at this point, who cares is a better question. The Canuck's biggest blunder over the last decade has been keeping players long past their prime, and not dealing them at an opportune time. Tanev is good for 60 games a season, if he has horse shoes up his a$$. Send him to a good team, who can afford to lose him for 1/4 of the season and still remain competitive, and rebuild the D. Replace him with a free agent defenseman, or use Tanev as a trade chip to acquire a young one (Fabbro, etc).
- Codes1087

The D is being rebuilt. They are being drafted and developed. It's not happening over night. Do you really want an overpaid D with a NTC to replace Tanev?

I would rather see Biega play 2nd pairing for 22 games instead of 82.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:15 AM ET
the ship has sailed on moving Tanev, i 100% agree. A GM would have to be pretty ballsy to pay hefty anything for him, but I still see value, IF you can still be competitive knowing he could be sitting a good chunk of your season.

I don't get the NHL19 reference, I don't play that game. I assume it has something to do with trading.

- Codes1087



I can see this scenario playing out......JB picks up a RHD during the summer. Tanev, Schenn, Biega round out the right side. If Woo or Chatfield can come up towards the end of the year, Tanev will be dealt at the TDL.

He will have some value to a contender. If JB doesn't do it, then I just dont know anymore.....Tanev is not the future.....
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:17 AM ET
Jakes not going anywhere. He's seen as having a "unique skillset" as well as the potential to still grow a fair amount
- NorthNuck


You need to give to get, Jake isn't an untouchable. A good young D or... coming back?
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:17 AM ET
The D is being rebuilt. They are being drafted and developed. It's not happening over night. Do you really want an overpaid D with a NTC to replace Tanev?

I would rather see Biega play 2nd pairing for 22 games instead of 82.

- manvanfan


i know Benning has a horrible history with free agents, but why does it have to be one extreme or the other. Good teams that draft well can also replace from within. Do the Canucks have that right now? We have no idea.

Brisebois/Sautner/Schenn have done admirably in their limited play time this season in my opinion. Hughes is here now. I won't count my chickens before they hatch, but maybe Juolevi has an amazing camp. Again, not having Tanev doesnt mean he MUST be replaced with a overpaid free agent with a NTC/NMC.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
I can see this scenario playing out......JB picks up a RHD during the summer. Tanev, Schenn, Biega round out the right side. If Woo or Chatfield can come up towards the end of the year, Tanev will be dealt at the TDL.

He will have some value to a contender. If JB doesn't do it, then I just dont know anymore.....Tanev is not the future.....

- chompsey


I really have no idea what plays out over the Summer. I imagine Pouliot is let go, I could see Schenn being re-signed on a 1 year, 1 way contract for 1 mill. Hughes is a lock. I think i will wait to see how development camp shapes up before i do any pencilling in though
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
the ship has sailed on moving Tanev, i 100% agree. A GM would have to be pretty ballsy to pay hefty anything for him, but I still see value, IF you can still be competitive knowing he could be sitting a good chunk of your season.

I don't get the NHL19 reference, I don't play that game. I assume it has something to do with trading.

- Codes1087

2015 is when Boston traded Cgy Hamilton.
Zachary Senyshyn, Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson, Jeremy Lauzon the pieces they got for him. Combined 10 points in 34 games.

Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
2015 is when Boston traded Cgy Hamilton.
Zachary Senyshyn, Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson, Jeremy Lauzon the pieces they got for him. Combined 10 points in 34 games.

- manvanfan


what does this have to do with Tanev? This says more about Boston being awful in that particular draft than it does about trading Hamilton. Boston doesn't seem to be hurting too much without him right now either lol
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
I can see this scenario playing out......JB picks up a RHD during the summer. Tanev, Schenn, Biega round out the right side. If Woo or Chatfield can come up towards the end of the year, Tanev will be dealt at the TDL.

He will have some value to a contender. If JB doesn't do it, then I just dont know anymore.....Tanev is not the future.....

- chompsey


So say's Elliotte. He'll be biting his pillow hard at the price.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:26 AM ET
i know Benning has a horrible history with free agents, but why does it have to be one extreme or the other. Good teams that draft well can also replace from within. Do the Canucks have that right now? We have no idea.

Brisebois/Sautner/Schenn have done admirably in their limited play time this season in my opinion. Hughes is here now. I won't count my chickens before they hatch, but maybe Juolevi has an amazing camp. Again, not having Tanev doesnt mean he MUST be replaced with a overpaid free agent with a NTC/NMC.

- Codes1087

I don't really see that as an extreme. I see it as reality. Everybody knows you pay a little more in free agency.

Van has started to produce more results from the draft but it's an ongoing process.

I actually have really liked Brisebois. He's waiver exempt for next year though. If Vancouver is going to re-sign Edler I could see

Edler
Hutton
Hughes
Sautner

as the 4 LHD used next season.
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
So say's Elliotte. He'll be biting his pillow hard at the price.
- VanHockeyGuy



No doubt, but in reality, look at their right side....ouch....
chompsey
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cody Hodgson can walk on water
Joined: 10.04.2005

Mar 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
I can see this scenario playing out......JB picks up a RHD during the summer. Tanev, Schenn, Biega round out the right side. If Woo or Chatfield can come up towards the end of the year, Tanev will be dealt at the TDL.

He will have some value to a contender. If JB doesn't do it, then I just dont know anymore.....Tanev is not the future.....

- chompsey



Can't believe I forgot Stecher......see ya Schenn......
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Mar 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
No doubt, but in reality, look at their right side....ouch....
- chompsey


Get a quality young player back and hope he fits in this time.
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