Murray makes 31 saves, absolute monster, lots of high danger chances for dallas.

Cogliano snipes one that goes bar and then in.

Trolls: bUt MuRrAyS gLoVe!!!!!11

ffs move on with your life, forget Murray and go check your mental health.
- Conse

if matthew would have let in a tying goal with khudobin pulled, pens fans would have lost their damn minds

He's said multiple times he doesn't fully believe half the stuff he says and is just trying to rile up the stat nerds. I think he's dead serious about the Murray stuff though.
- Victoro311

He's one of my favorite posters on this board. People like what they like and believe what they want....I'm totally fine with it. The world is too f'n serious. Too many people have lost their sense of humor.

I'm a HUGE Kessel guy but I'm starting to believe Guentzel is better. This is coming from a guy who's favorite non-Penguin player was Phil Kessel since he entered the league up until we traded for him.
- Victoro311

Right now, I'd agree. Phil can run a PP better, but I think Jake has surpassed him this year and possibly moving forward as our top wing. Glad GMJR got that extension done early.

Murray makes 31 saves, absolute monster, lots of high danger chances for dallas.

Cogliano snipes one that goes bar and then in.

Trolls: bUt MuRrAyS gLoVe!!!!!11

ffs move on with your life, forget Murray and go check your mental health.
- Conse

It's amazing how many crazy saves he makes, but to those people it's never it when it counts. If he lets a goal in, it doesn't matter that he stopped other crazy shots that kept the Penguins in the game.

He's one of my favorite posters on this board. People like what they like and believe what they want....I'm totally fine with it. The world is too f'n serious. Too many people have lost their sense of humor.
- madmike71

I agree.

I happen to think Jacko is a useful 3rd Pairing D athough overpaid a bit and Cullen deserves a spot in the 13 forwards list. Am I crazy? haha I know the answer already.

Right now, I'd agree. Phil can run a PP better, but I think Jake has surpassed him this year and possibly moving forward as our top wing. Glad GMJR got that extension done early.
- Tojo.

Absolutely. This Guentzel extension looks really good right now.

I'm all for bringing to the roster another young gun or two next season. We'll have to move on from Phil or Hörnqvist at some point and they could bring those type of players back.

Rust, Guentzel, McCann, Blueger, Bjugstad and Aston-Reese is a nice young core.

Absolutely. This Guentzel extension looks really good right now.

I'm all for bringing to the roster another young gun or two next season. We'll have to move on from Phil or Hörnqvist at some point and they could bring those type of players back.

Rust, Guentzel, McCann, Blueger, Bjugstad and Aston-Reese is a nice young core.
- Barnaby36

6 mil for a 40 goal scorer is a great deal. GMJR did real well on this signing.
I think next season will be one to watch in regards for Honrqvist and Phil. I doubt they move on from Kessel, but Hornqvist is the type of player old school GMs love. If he has another slow season it could be a move, but I also think his injuries this season have really hurt him production wise.

6 mil for a 40 goal scorer is a great deal. GMJR did real well on this signing.
I think next season will be one to watch in regards for Honrqvist and Phil. I doubt they move on from Kessel, but Hornqvist is the type of player old school GMs love. If he has another slow season it could be a move, but I also think his injuries this season have really hurt him production wise.
- burgh4life87

There's really no good way to move Hornqvist. Nobody is taking his contract without major incentive.

To all the people who crap on Murray if he sneezes the wrong let's put last night's game in perspective.

The Pens didn't play a great game. They didn't play badly per-se, but Dallas registered 17 (frank)in high danger chances. THAT'S A LOT! You could argue Murray is the main reason they won that game and if they lost, it wouldn't be on him. He kept them in that game.

Pens didn't play a strong defensive game, plain and simple, and Murray was the x-factor.

There's really no good way to move Hornqvist. Nobody is taking his contract without major incentive.
- Rinosaur

And at that point why bother, right? We have three years. There’s no long run anymore, no need to retool and punt on the short term to maximize the long term.

And at that point why bother, right? We have three years. There’s no long run anymore, no need to retool and punt on the short term to maximize the long term.
- Victoro311

I think you and I have pretty much felt the same way about him over the years, and I agree here. At this point what good is moving him going to do? It will cost a lot to move him and the return will NOT be good because there's no way a team will just take him clean without sending some kind of rough contract back.

There's really no good way to move Hornqvist. Nobody is taking his contract without major incentive.
- Rinosaur

I dont believe that to be true, I think there's a lot of GM's that would want him..including GMJR. Doubt he's going anywhere any time soon. He comes to play every single game. His production is down but he's due for some to start going in soon. That 3rd line has had an abundance of unconverted chances the past week or so.

I dont believe that to be true, I think there's a lot of GM's that would want him..including GMJR. Doubt he's going anywhere any time soon. He comes to play every single game. His production is down but he's due for some to start going in soon. That 3rd line has had an abundance of unconverted chances the past week or so.
- MattStrat

There are plenty of GM's who would take him if his contract was only another year or two, not four more years with his age and hit. Hornqvist will probably have a better year of production next year, but regardless, it's only a matter of time before he hits the wall.

We talk about this a lot, but his style of game is going to catch up to him and it possibly already has. He has not looked the same since the conky and I don't mean in terms of production.

I think you and I have pretty much felt the same way about him over the years, and I agree here. At this point what good is moving him going to do? It will cost a lot to move him and the return will NOT be good because there's no way a team will just take him clean without sending some kind of rough contract back.
- Rinosaur

The time to move on was when his contract expired. We chose not to do that, so ok. So given that that no longer matters and what's done is done, will moving Hornqvist yield a more effective player for the present term (next three years) either through trade or FA signing via his vacated cap hit than he is himself? I think the answer is no. If moving Hornqvist makes us a worse team in the short run, its not worth it even if his contract isn't that good.

The time to move on was when his contract expired. We chose not to do that, so ok. So given that that no longer matters and what's done is done, will moving Hornqvist yield a more effective player for the present term (next three years) either through trade or FA signing via his vacated cap hit than he is himself? I think the answer is no. If moving Hornqvist makes us a worse team in the short run, its not worth it even if his contract isn't that good.
- Victoro311

This may sound dumb, but I think losing Hagelin hurt this team in the locker room. I think next moving Hornqvist could have a real impact morale-wise and yes, the return is a big issue.

Like you said, you have to think who is replacing him? Who is available in free agency? Who would get sent back? Better to hold on to him unless some amazing deal falls in JR's lap.

I kinda feel like the “crap on Murray” comment sticks to me a bit...and that is fine, I admit that giving up late game tying goals frustrate me. I also admit that he has STRONG monents in every game as well. I have never said he sucks, or even they kept the wrong goalie. I understand all of what happened in that situation and have always said they made the right decision. My point has always been in regards to allowing them frustrates and hurts more as they are in a chase as well as heading into the playoffs.

It is only my opinion and if the entirety of the board disagrees, it doesn’t make me wrong, just different. I agree with tons that is said here. I share my prespective and that is it.

I don’t feel that JJ deserves all of the hate either. I don’t think he is worth his contract, but he does battle.

All in all this is a good place to talk and share about the team we follow, that is why we come here.

Cheers

The time to move on was when his contract expired. We chose not to do that, so ok. So given that that no longer matters and what's done is done, will moving Hornqvist yield a more effective player for the present term (next three years) either through trade or FA signing via his vacated cap hit than he is himself? I think the answer is no. If moving Hornqvist makes us a worse team in the short run, its not worth it even if his contract isn't that good.
- Victoro311

I agree and I was not advocating a move, just saying. I think the Pens will let Schultz walk on his next contract which frees up some cash.
Anyone think Montreal could win tonight and give us a hand?

What is the potential cost to bring Hags back in UFA? Does the Hornqvist thing factor? Is bringing him back necessary with the emergence of McCann’s shorthanded abilities.

If they were willing to spend on Cullen’s lockerroom love (and he likely retires) would they do the same with Hagelin?

I agree and I was not advocating a move, just saying. I think the Pens will let Schultz walk on his next contract which frees up some cash.
Anyone think Montreal could win tonight and give us a hand?
- burgh4life87

Tuesday's a pretty good day to be a Penguins fan. Canes play the Caps and Isles play CBJ. No real downside scenarios there.

What is the potential cost to bring Hags back in UFA? Does the Hornqvist thing factor? Is bringing him back necessary with the emergence of McCann’s shorthanded abilities.

If they were willing to spend on Cullen’s lockerroom love (and he likely retires) would they do the same with Hagelin?
- Doogs

Depends on how Hagelin does the rest of the way through until the Caps' post season is over one way or another. He's a big intangibles guy and is therefore at risk of being overvalued by GMs across the league, but if he slips through the cracks and his market value is, say, $1.2 mil or something, I wouldn't be shocked at seeing Rutherford make a push for him. He definitely has a track record of targeting guys he's familiar with, and we already know he explored reacquiring him this season before the CBA got in the way. A Hagelin-Blueger-ZAR fourth line would be pretty good probably.

What is the potential cost to bring Hags back in UFA? Does the Hornqvist thing factor? Is bringing him back necessary with the emergence of McCann’s shorthanded abilities.

If they were willing to spend on Cullen’s lockerroom love (and he likely retires) would they do the same with Hagelin?
- Doogs

I'm not sure hes worth it. You already have Jake, McCann, Simon, and ZAR at those LW spots rather cheap. I just dont see a return for him.

Tuesday's a pretty good day to be a Penguins fan. Canes play the Caps and Isles play CBJ. No real downside scenarios there.
- Victoro311

Yikes, how does one root there? Need the Caps to lose to make a run at winning the Division but need the Hurricane to lose to solidify the playoff bid.

Need the Isles to Lose for the Division and CBJ to lose just because it is epic for them to have done what they did and it is backfiring.

I would take a shot at bringing Hags back at $1.25- 1.75 no doubt.

I would take a shot at bringing Hags back at $1.25- 1.75 no doubt.
- Doogs

If that's the cost and hes ok with that role I'd do it

If that's the cost and hes ok with that role I'd do it
- burgh4life87

He is only getting $1.85 now