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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 9 @ 9:18 AM ET
Gordon is obviously an intelligent hockey coach with a strong grasp of the game. Quite the opposite of sources that claimed on here that he was a bad coach with no system. He did a good job with what he had to deal with but I still feel the Flyers need to look elsewhere for a coach.
- MJL


It'll come down to who's available and who's willing to come to the Flyers. At the end of the day, it's possible that Gordon remains the best candidate. I do hope they perform their due diligence, especially with any possible up and coming talents.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Apr 9 @ 9:30 AM ET
I wonder if Fletcher's nonchalance about a new coach, I mean I'm not sure how else you would describe not beginning your search before yesterday, is an indicator that he's really had his eyes on Gordon the whole time.
- shekkie


Well the season just ended...Fletcher does get to see and hear Gordon more than us. We just heard Gordon in a little more detail yesterday.

There is a lot of positives about Gordon. I didn’t like the way the team played the final 10 games. But the uncertainty factor and way the season went into disappointment played a huge part of that.

Having the interim tag removed, backing of the GM and an opportunity to change 1 or more assistant coaches would be big. Along with the aforementioned preparation, training camp, preseason, practice points, we could see if the coach is right.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Apr 9 @ 9:36 AM ET
Well the season just ended...Fletcher does get to see and hear Gordon more than us. We just heard Gordon in a little more detail yesterday.

There is a lot of positives about Gordon. I didn’t like the way the team played the final 10 games. But the uncertainty factor and way the season went into disappointment played a huge part of that.

Having the interim tag removed, backing of the GM and an opportunity to change 1 or more assistant coaches would be big. Along with the aforementioned preparation, training camp, preseason, practice points, we could see if the coach is right.

- NC Flyers Fan


If the players do not change their habits it really doesn't matter who the coach is
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 9 @ 9:38 AM ET
I know what Fletcher has said that Gordon is a candidate....but if he didn't impress him enough to say "Scott, the job is yours" at this point...Is Gordon just the fall back choice?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 9 @ 9:40 AM ET
If the players do not change their habits it really doesn't matter who the coach is
- corduroy


100% so maybe the bigger issue is and has been the personnel on the ice.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Apr 9 @ 9:40 AM ET
I'm not greedy, I'll be perfectly content with the 2nd pick tonight (as long as the Devils and Rags aren't at 1)
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Apr 9 @ 9:41 AM ET
If the players do not change their habits it really doesn't matter who the coach is
- corduroy


Yep, and I liked so many of the things Gordon said yesterday.

“I think anything as a coach that you want to emphasize, whatever you emphasize gets done. Sometimes it’s immediate, sometimes it takes changing a mindset on how you have to do things.”—Gordon
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Apr 9 @ 9:46 AM ET
I know what Fletcher has said that Gordon is a candidate....but if he didn't impress him enough to say "Scott, the job is yours" at this point...Is Gordon just the fall back choice?
- landros 2


Maybe this isn’t entirely accurate but in a way, isn’t everyone a fall back choice to Quenneville. Maybe the reality of that was always slim to none, but we didn’t know that until yesterday and the Flyers surely couldn’t say that earlier.

landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 9 @ 10:11 AM ET
Maybe this isn’t entirely accurate but in a way, isn’t everyone a fall back choice to Quenneville. Maybe the reality of that was always slim to none, but we didn’t know that until yesterday and the Flyers surely couldn’t say that earlier.
- NC Flyers Fan


more of a statement to debate. This team screams for the need for change. Should Gordon be entrusted to lead them going forward? I don't know. I do know that with the on ice results, and the impending increases to ticket prices they cant have a summer of status quo.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 9 @ 10:14 AM ET
I know what Fletcher has said that Gordon is a candidate....but if he didn't impress him enough to say "Scott, the job is yours" at this point...Is Gordon just the fall back choice?
- landros 2

Agreed. I like the idea of waiting to see what chips may fall. I would love laviolette back here.
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Apr 9 @ 10:17 AM ET
I know what Fletcher has said that Gordon is a candidate....but if he didn't impress him enough to say "Scott, the job is yours" at this point...Is Gordon just the fall back choice?
- landros 2


I don't think Fletcher would come out and say Gordon is the coach without really taking a look at all the options.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 9 @ 10:19 AM ET
to bring back this same cast of players would be uninspiring and wrong way to go.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Apr 9 @ 10:21 AM ET
to bring back this same cast of players would be uninspiring and wrong way to go.
- daryl stanley


they should trade everyone.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Apr 9 @ 10:21 AM ET
more of a statement to debate. This team screams for the need for change. Should Gordon be entrusted to lead them going forward? I don't know. I do know that with the on ice results, and the impending increases to ticket prices they cant have a summer of status quo.
- landros 2


I agree...I guess maybe the debate surrounds more of what is considered “status quo” and I would repeat that success next season is not optional. Results showing improvement must be tangible.

Just a guess but if Fletcher adds 2 very good players and maybe 1 depth player...and we include the dead weight he cut, the roster will have had the highest turnover in years. More depth than in years. Also, the young players will have more experience and another summer of training. On paper, in my mind, that is a big improvement.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 9 @ 10:32 AM ET
I don't think Fletcher would come out and say Gordon is the coach without really taking a look at all the options.
- Streit2ThePoint

He wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. I really hope they interview some fresh faces, please no Boudreau.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 9 @ 10:33 AM ET
to bring back this same cast of players would be uninspiring and wrong way to go.
- daryl stanley

Always the best insight, thank you
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 9 @ 10:40 AM ET
Did the tank-a-thon simulation of lottery draft 100 times...

Came up with 3 first overalls, 3 2nd overalls, and 5 3rd overalls. Their percentage works pretty well. That's just over 10% chance at a top 3 pick and 3% chance of 1st overall.

God I hope we get lucky.
jsh139
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly 'burbs, PA
Joined: 06.22.2017

Apr 9 @ 10:42 AM ET
@BadCowboyDan

Pretty sure the quotes have the issue on the first page of comments only. No idea why.

- NC Flyers Fan


It's a problem with the URL. See that double-quote at the end? If you remove it and re-navigate to the page, it will fix the problem.



Also, if you click the comments link at the top of the Blog entry, that double-quote won't be there. It's only there when you click the comments link at the bottom of the page.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 9 @ 10:43 AM ET
Judging by what I heard from Fletcher I think Ghost will be traded for a top pairing vet defenseman... Voracek will be traded for a decent 2nd line center with good 2-way ability, and they will sign a guy like Hayes. Or Voracek could be traded for a 2 way winger and they sign a Pavelski.

Giroux-Couturier-Konecny
JVR-Pavelski-????
Lindblom-Patrick-Hartman
Farabee-Laughton-Frost
Raffl

Provorov-?????
Morin-Sanheim
Gudas-Myers
Hagg

Hart
Talbot
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Apr 9 @ 10:46 AM ET
to bring back this same cast of players would be uninspiring and wrong way to go.
- daryl stanley

Agree, they can’t come back with the exact same group, changes need to be made.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Apr 9 @ 10:46 AM ET
Judging by what I heard from Fletcher I think Ghost will be traded for a top pairing vet defenseman... Voracek will be traded for a decent 2nd line center with good 2-way ability, and they will sign a guy like Hayes. Or Voracek could be traded for a 2 way winger and they sign a Pavelski.
- youarewrong


Ghost likely will be dealt. I dont see Voracek going anywhere.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Apr 9 @ 10:46 AM ET
It's a problem with the URL. See that double-quote at the end? If you remove it and re-navigate to the page, it will fix the problem.



Also, if you click the comments link at the top of the Blog entry, that double-quote won't be there. It's only there when you click the comments link at the bottom of the page.

- jsh139


Thanks for the tips!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Apr 9 @ 10:47 AM ET
Agree, they can’t come back with the exact same group, changes need to be made.
- Dave21Brown

Not sure if either of you read the article but he said he'd like to add a few pieces either through trade or free agency
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 9 @ 10:48 AM ET
they should trade everyone.
- Ftown19125

excellent response
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Apr 9 @ 10:49 AM ET
Agree, they can’t come back with the exact same group, changes need to be made.
- Dave21Brown


This is incorrect. Changes dont need to be made. Just little tweaks. They need to add a player or two and I would agree they need a Vet Dman. The rest of the roster is fine. It comes down to adapting. Teams know how to counter the Flyers play. It is up to the coaches to alter their system. PP is the biggest system overhaul needed.
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