Do you think you're going to get young quality established NHL players for prospects and draft picks?
- MJL

You certainly could, might have to overpay a little. When the time comes and we think we are ready to go for a cup i wouldn't mind seeing a brayden schenn type trade but the roster player coming our way.

Since i know you have solid hockey knowledge under the Clown makeup..

Who would your possible choices be ?

WOULD BE OKAY WITH

Torts just for the lulz
AV, Deboer
I would go Richardson or Dineen as darkhorses

WOULD NOT BE OKAY WITH (been there and done that)
Lavi
Hitch
- opeth_pa

it's not clown makeup. It's a Holmgren mask.

I'm probably in the minority but I'd like to see Guy Boucher. He had a Sens team that wasn't exactly overflowing with talent a goal away from the SCF. I like to find coaches who do more with less.

Nyquist is probably most realistic. Fletch has a fondness for Swedes too, IIRC.

Coburn is who I would look at on D. They don't need a bonafide top-4, because they can just let their kids grow into that role. Coburn does everything you said, plus they can easily slide him up and down the lineup.
- Tomahawk

I wouldn’t add a defenseman at all. Where and when is he gonna play without taking a spot from a young player?

it's not clown makeup. It's a Holmgren mask.

I'm problem in the minority but I'd like to see Guy Boucher. He had a Sens team that wasn't exactly overflowing with talent a goal away from the SCF. I like to find coaches who do more with less.
- PLindbergh31

I was going to ask you who you had in mind. Le Chifre would be an intriguing choice. Looking at his record though, there seems to be a Lavi type of fatigue after he has these great seasons. Both Tampa and Ottawa had precipitous drops in points in his second seasons and he was gone in the third.

I want Patrick Roy just for the drama.

I wouldn’t add a defenseman at all. Where and when is he gonna play without taking a spot from a young player?
- SuperSchennBros

This is where I am at. It seems a trade would be the only other option.

They want vets. Gudas, Ghost and Provy are all vets as far as I am concerned.

I want to see them roll with this group. Get a sniper (or two)

This is where I am at. It seems a trade would be the only other option.

They want vets. Gudas, Ghost and Provy are all vets as far as I am concerned.

I want to see them roll with this group. Get a sniper (or two)
- MBFlyerfan

Work on the bottom six forward positions. Make a splash for a pure shooter. I’m right there with you.

7 out of 22 is not "the same guys"

Nothing has changed with our system, that is the point. Teams have years worth of PP footage of the SAME system. Yes the team has gone through 5 coaches. How many times did we cut the entire coaching staff? Not many. The head guy has changed but the the others have remained.

Giroux, Voracek, Couturier Laughton, Gudas all had successful seasons and did their parts to make this team successful.

That leaves Raffl and Ghost from 2016. Raffl is a 4th line player and Ghost had a bad season, it happens. How is this a problem with the core?

Let me remind you who we have had coach this team:

Lavy
Stevens
Berube
Hakstol
Gordon

Only one of them is worth noting. Berube despite his success this season is not a good coach. St.Louis simply got lucky Binnington could play hockey at a elite level. They would not be in a playoff spot if they kept Allen in there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Girouox, Couts, Ghost, Simmonds, and Voracek are pretty much the core and a core that is consistently inconsistent. They are super talented and can play well against any team at any time they choose. And the problem is they don't always choose to play the right way which results in terrible 1st periods, rarely playing full 60 minutes, and waiting until almost completely out of the playoffs before getting "another gear".

As to your PP and coaching issues, they fired Joe Mullen 2 years ago and the power play hasn't been the same since. However, even when the powerplay was top 3, they were still inconsistent because they were terrible at 5 on 5.

As for the coaches you mentioned, Lavy has been to the finals and has taken the Preds further then any coach. Stevens has always been a good development coach and was the only coach to get LA to the playoffs the last 3 years. Time will tell for Hakstol and Berube.

I wouldn’t add a defenseman at all. Where and when is he gonna play without taking a spot from a young player?
- SuperSchennBros

I would either, but Fletch said he was looking into it.

I wouldn’t add a defenseman at all. Where and when is he gonna play without taking a spot from a young player?
- SuperSchennBros

Well it's pretty simple really. The only locks to make the opening night roster on defense should be Provorov, Sanheim, Myers, Ghost (if he isn't traded), Gudas (if he isn't traded). Thats 5, but I do think Fletch shops one of the latter two i mentioned. Hagg shouldn't be a lock, AMac is certainly not a lock, and neither is Morin, Freidman, or anyone else. There is absolutely minutes for a not break the bank, veteran dman, that can help these younger guys grow.

Work on the bottom six forward positions. Make a splash for a pure shooter. I’m right there with you.
- SuperSchennBros

I would trade Ghost for your top pairing D-man, and you can use Hagg or Morin as your 7th. I would trade Jake for a scoring 2 way center or shoot first winger. Jake rarely shoots and his lack or shooting and defensive awareness are what IMO leads the team to play inconsistently. Look at what Gordon said yesterday and tell me he isn't describing Voracek, Ghost, and to a minor extent Giroux.

Then I would find either a shoot first winger or 2nd line defensive center to sign.. whatever you dont address with the Voracek trade.

Giroux is your captain, and even though he goes through long periods of being a pass first guy, there have been times when he becomes shoot first, and IMO thats when the team, and the powerplay are clicking. So no need to move him. Couts IMO is not a problem anymore. There was once a time I called him "Stonehands" but he has matured nicely.

Then you fill the rest of the roster with our young guys. Unfortunately I don't see this team getting physical next season. It would take almost an entire roster overhall for that to happen. What players would you move for physical defensive minded forwards, and how are they going to have room for prospects to make the jump?

Obviously i would like to get into the top 3 but if we do not I feel confident in our staff. We have drafted well in the first round the past few years, but how much does Pryor leaving affect the staff as a whole?
- ClaudeFather

well Pryor was let go but the scouting staff is still there so lets hope nothing changes

it's not clown makeup. It's a Holmgren mask.

I'm probably in the minority but I'd like to see Guy Boucher. He had a Sens team that wasn't exactly overflowing with talent a goal away from the SCF. I like to find coaches who do more with less.
- PLindbergh31

Guy Boucher gets his team to the playoffs at a 33.3% clip. His teams also tend to drop off the face of the earth after his first year. I don’t know if it’s the scar that wears on them or what. I’ll pass

Do you think you're going to get young quality established NHL players for prospects and draft picks?
- MJL

still didnbt answer my question but ok.

yes from some teams I do.

it's not clown makeup. It's a Holmgren mask.

I'm probably in the minority but I'd like to see Guy Boucher. He had a Sens team that wasn't exactly overflowing with talent a goal away from the SCF. I like to find coaches who do more with less.
- PLindbergh31

Forgot about him..

Wasnt that one goal a way a function of a really hot goalie that year for the Sens?

Only one of them is worth noting. Berube despite his success this season is not a good coach. St.Louis simply got lucky Binnington could play hockey at a elite level. They would not be in a playoff spot if they kept Allen in there.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You should read Jay Greenberg's recent column on Berube. He is actually a solid hockey coach. He deserves a full time job.

You should read Jay Greenberg's recent column on Berube. He is actually a solid hockey coach. He deserves a full time job.
- MJL

he is actually very well thought of in nhl circles.

doesn't answer the question though.

what cant they do both? as I dont think one way only will work.

clearly they have good individual pieces. Have propsects and picks. There can be a happy medium.

At some point you need to move picks/prospects for actual nhl players imo. Not aging vets or free agents to be.
- daryl stanley

You certainly can do both. That's not the point. What is the goal? To just get better as quick as you can or to build a team with a cap situation that is sustainable over a significant period of time? If you take the quick method, you could wind up paying a lot in terms of cap hit and assets that you'll have for cheaper if you just remain patient. There is no question that the Flyers have the assets and cap space to make the team better. The question is how much better and in comparison to remaining patient. I vote for the latter.

You certainly could, might have to overpay a little. When the time comes and we think we are ready to go for a cup i wouldn't mind seeing a brayden schenn type trade but the roster player coming our way.
- ClaudeFather

I don't see any team willing to trade a quality established 25 year old player for a draft pick or prospect. They've already been through the development phase. Why do they want to start over?

Am I alone here when I say, I’m not against flipping our first round pick to make a splash? Keep in mind, I think it would benefit us down the road to draft a center with size but if we can get a real deal scorer, that kinda hard to pass up too.

My candidates so far

Dave Tippet
Todd Richards
Pete deboer if he gets fired
- Just5

replace PDB with Ted Nolan please

I don't see any team willing to trade a quality established 25 year old player for a draft pick or prospect. They've already been through the development phase. Why do they want to start over?
- MJL

Why did we do it? A team could end up getting Jack Hughes or Kakko and decide to move on from someone, salary crunch, expansion protection, deciding to rebuild, plenty of reasons.

Why did we do it? A team could end up getting Jack Hughes or Kakko and decide to move on from someone, salary crunch, expansion protection, deciding to rebuild, plenty of reasons.
- ClaudeFather

When did we do it?

When did we do it?
- MJL

Brayden Schenn...what was he 25/26.

When they get the # 1 pick in the draft tonight, everyone will forget about Quenneville!
- PLindbergh31

Completely forgot about that it's tonight! Now I have something to look at besides the Phillies.