Greenberg or Berube?
- corduroy

Berube

Both Hakstol and Gordon preached fundamentals.
- MJL

you have to admit some of that preaching fell on deaf ears

Forgot about him..

Wasnt that one goal a way a function of a really hot goalie that year for the Sens?
- opeth_pa

Most teams that make Cup runs get strong goaltending. That is pretty much a given.

Jim Carey won a Vezina sooooooo

Ted Nolan isnt the answer for examples of this look at his record.
- opeth_pa

Bill Barber won a Jack Adams. His system was basically nothing more than "go play Flyers hockey".

you have to admit some of that preaching fell on deaf ears
- corduroy

For sure. I posted about it all season. It was easy to look at goals scored against the Flyers and see how lacking they were in detail. I agree wholeheartedly with Gordon basically saying the best way to defend is to have to defend less but when you do defend, can't keep making the same mistakes over and over.

Yes. How’s Guy Boucher’s Playoff percentage?
- Just5

Made it to Conference Finals twice losing to the team that won the Cup both times. 22-15 in playoff games.

Quenneville was the only candidate that would have been a slam dunk. Let's be honest regardless of who they hire there will be a large faction of fans that won't like it.

Bill Barber won a Jack Adams. His system was basically nothing more than "go play Flyers hockey".
- Tomahawk

Bill Barber won a Jack Adams. His system was basically nothing more than "go play Flyers hockey".
- Tomahawk

It means they were excellent at some point is what I was trying to say.

That means, joke or not, Jim Carey was really good. It's a shame he could never recapture it.

It means they were excellent at some point is what I was trying to say.

That means, joke or not, Jim Carey was really good. It's a shame he could never recapture it.
- DrMidnite

EDIT Great at one point.

Most teams that make Cup runs get strong goaltending. That is pretty much a given.
- PLindbergh31

True but good goaltending is also down to good defensive positioning and excellent possession game of forwards

Most teams that make Cup runs get strong goaltending. That is pretty much a given.
- PLindbergh31

A fair point but we all know those Leighton stories where a goalie gets hot and plays above his level.

It was Anderson that year so maybe it was just standard for him.

Fingers and toes crossed for this!

Remember, not only do we win a great pick if in top 3...

But that is a great asset to add to whatever Fletcher does, right???

EDIT still want Marner. Didn't know we could trade if offer sheet is made....

What would that offer look like?

Jake+Frost+future 1st? Which gives the Leafs immediate help in Jake plus whatever Frost and the pick becomes?

True but good goaltending is also down to good defensive positioning and excellent possession game of forwards
- goenzoy

For sure. To win a cup you have to do the things you bring up. It doesn't matter how good your goaltending is, if you routinely have breakdowns that cause your goalie to be hung out to dry you have no chance. We see that from the Flyers far too often.

Fingers and toes crossed for this!

Remember, not only do we win a great pick if in top 3...

But that is a great asset to add to whatever Fletcher does, right???

EDIT still want Marner. Didn't know we could trade if offer sheet is made....

What would that offer look like?

Jake+Frost+future 1st? Which gives the Leafs immediate help in Jake plus whatever Frost and the pick becomes?
- DrMidnite

if i'm the Leafs, Voracek, Frost, and a 1st still isn't enough. if they are going to take on Jake's contract why wouldn't they just sign Marner? They have Gardiner coming off the books and young guys like Dermott and Sandin ready to take the next step. If they end up in any sort of serious cap problems they could move someone like Nylander and Kadri and still be fine.

A fair point but we all know those Leighton stories where a goalie gets hot and plays above his level.

It was Anderson that year so maybe it was just standard for him.
- opeth_pa

Anderson is a far superior goaltender to Leighton. Anderson has never really played on good teams. Leighton is a career journeyman. If you look at the series against Montreal when he had three shutouts the Flyers kept the Habs on the perimeter. Leighton wasn't facing a lot of high quality scoring chances. Sure he did a great job limiting soft goals. When the FLyers got to the SCF and faced a team far superior team to Montreal Leighton was exposed.

if i'm the Leafs, Voracek, Frost, and a 1st still isn't enough. if they are going to take on Jake's contract why wouldn't they just sign Marner? They have Gardiner coming off the books and young guys like Dermott and Sandin ready to take the next step. If they end up in any sort of serious cap problems they could move someone like Nylander and Kadri and still be fine.
- Mordecai

Agreed. No way the Leafs would want Jake and there's a long list of players they would move before Marner to make cap room.

Fingers and toes crossed for this!

Remember, not only do we win a great pick if in top 3...

But that is a great asset to add to whatever Fletcher does, right???

EDIT still want Marner. Didn't know we could trade if offer sheet is made....

What would that offer look like?

Jake+Frost+future 1st? Which gives the Leafs immediate help in Jake plus whatever Frost and the pick becomes?
- DrMidnite

I'm puzzled when I read some of the trade offers made on here. It doesn't seem like they're given much thought. What is the reason why the Leafs would be looking to trade Marner?

if i'm the Leafs, Voracek, Frost, and a 1st still isn't enough. if they are going to take on Jake's contract why wouldn't they just sign Marner? They have Gardiner coming off the books and young guys like Dermott and Sandin ready to take the next step. If they end up in any sort of serious cap problems they could move someone like Nylander and Kadri and still be fine.
- Mordecai

The obvious guy for them to move is Marleau. They'll find a team to take him and give up another asset.

The obvious guy for them to move is Marleau. They'll find a team to take him and give up another asset.
- MJL

yup i forgot about Marleau too. there is no reason for them to be looking to move a guy like Marner.

yup i forgot about Marleau too. there is no reason for them to be looking to move a guy like Marner.
- Mordecai

I just see more and more a lack of understanding of what players teams trade in the situation they're in and what players they keep and build around. They're not going to trade their 21 year old star player because they have some cap issues. Just not going to happen.

stand pat at 10th-13th overall unless there is a great offer on the table, take one of Krebs, Newhook, Byram, Suzuki, or Kaliyev(pure sniper btw).

Newhook is my guy though. I think he's going to be a good one. Could be considered a reach at our draft position but it's something i'd be willing to risk.

I'm puzzled when I read some of the trade offers made on here. It doesn't seem like they're given much thought. What is the reason why the Leafs would be looking to trade Marner?
- MJL

They will have 36 million tied up in 3 players.

Fingers and toes crossed for this!

Remember, not only do we win a great pick if in top 3...

But that is a great asset to add to whatever Fletcher does, right???

EDIT still want Marner. Didn't know we could trade if offer sheet is made....

What would that offer look like?

Jake+Frost+future 1st? Which gives the Leafs immediate help in Jake plus whatever Frost and the pick becomes?
- DrMidnite

Why are the Leafs moving Marner again?

They will have 36 million tied up in 3 players.
- DrMidnite

They'll have 40+ tied up in 4 players.

They will have 36 million tied up in 3 players.
- DrMidnite

So, offer him MORE THAN THEY CAN AFFORD.

Troll on.....why that is wrong/It is dumb/
Offer sheets don't work until they DO, etc....