Im surprised Botts didn't mention it once in his press conference. It's their biggest issue IMO
- Sabresfan-365

yes it is

Without meaning to pry, how much did you weigh when you started?
- Der Kaiser

I was 255lb I’m 6-6

I have no faith in either goalie we have moving forward.
- SABRES 89

I would guess the hope is they manage for a year and hopefully UPL is ready to step in 21-22 but that might be pushing it.

As the season went along he seemed to wander further and further away from the crease.
- Der Kaiser

Agreed, began fighting the puck a lot more too.

Im surprised Botts didn't mention it once in his press conference. It's their biggest issue IMO
- Sabresfan-365

I'll take two more 20 goal scorers over two new goalies

Agreed, began fighting the puck a lot more too.
- Sabresfan-365

I'd say Ullmark is certainly not a starter. Do we think he's a capable back up at this point though?

Hutton is a backup as well, that's our problem. At best we have two back ups.

Theme of the off season should be the #2

Draft #2 overall

Hire 2 new coaches (HC, PP coach)

Get rid of at least 2 of the "dead weight" folks

Perma-call up 2 of the guys in Roch

Find 2 new goalies (admittedly bullish on UPL so that may be 1 there)


I honestly believe that alone makes them a playoff contender. At least till the deadline

I hated him.

Super nice guy though.

Steve Montador too.

Again only the defensemen UFA’s worked out.
- dadeadhead

Was Teppo not a UFA? Cap Friendly doesn't have the details and I'm too lazy to troll for the info. But he definitely wasn't traded in season.

I'll take two more 20 goal scorers over two new goalies
- jcragcrumple

If Mittelstadt is as good as everyone thinks he is that should take care of itself next year.

I'd say Ullmark is certainly not a starter. Do we think he's a capable back up at this point though?

Hutton is a backup as well, that's our problem. At best we have two back ups.
- gcomella34

I honestly don't like either for this team, even as a back up.

I think some of Ullmarks decisions are major head scratchers.

Hutton is best suited for a team that can shelter him, not one that wants the blue line to be active offensively.

I honestly don't like either for this team, even as a back up.

I think some of Ullmarks decisions are major head scratchers.

Hutton is best suited for a team that can shelter him, not one that wants the blue line to be active offensively.
- Sabresfan-365

The fact that his stick is never on the ice is infuriating as well.

Was Teppo not a UFA? Cap Friendly doesn't have the details and I'm too lazy to troll for the info. But he definitely wasn't traded in season.
- Wetbandit1

He was a UFA. Believe he came over from Dallas

If Mittelstadt is as good as everyone thinks he is that should take care of itself next year.
- Sabresfan-365

If Skinner walks, Mittelstadt might have to pot 80g next year

If Skinner walks, Mittelstadt might have to pot 80g next year
- jcragcrumple

I think the only way he walks is if Botts is sure he's got a more cost friendly plan B.

Sobriety?

Hutton outside of 30 games with the tightest blue line in the nhl has been a meh back up.

Ullmarks a failed project. They need at least 1 new goalie. Enough to buy time for UPL
- Sabresfan-365

how is ullmark a failed project?

I think the only way he walks is if Botts is sure he's got a more cost friendly plan B.
- Sabresfan-365

At this point, I don't think he has a back up plan. I HOPE he does.

how is ullmark a failed project?
- homiedclown

Given the circumstances I think the question should be how is he not?

I think some of Ullmarks decisions are major head scratchers.

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- Sabresfan-365

goalie coach comes into play here IMO

Umm, we need St Louis to LOSE! Now the dead horse has been thoroughly beaten.

I'll report myself and will enjoy the ban.
- Chris16

I stand correct.
You would think after like 18 years for Tanking I would get rooting for teams to lose, lol

At this point, I don't think he has a back up plan. I HOPE he does.
- gcomella34

It's a little early, he'd have a better sense after the seasons over but with Housley canned the pressure is on him to deliver.

Given the circumstances I think the question should be how is he not?
- Sabresfan-365

our D sucked

esp dec 1st on

you put any goalie on this team

bishop
anderson
kid in tampa
ducks goalie
hasek in his prime
roy
brodeur


they all have their worst GAA and save% ever


shore up the D, goalie is a non issue for regular season

our D sucked

esp dec 1st on

you put any goalie on this team

bishop
anderson
kid in tampa
ducks goalie
hasek in his prime
roy
brodeur


they all have their worst GAA and save% ever


shore up the D, goalie is a non issue for regular season
- homiedclown

Measuring their success through GAA isn't fair to them anyways.

Our D is about the same as it was last year, the goaltending is a lot worse.

Jacob Markstrom had the same kind of blue line in front of him with the nucks and his goals saved above average was just under 4.

Hutton was bottom 5 in high danger save percentage. We don't even need someone who is good, just someone who isn't bottom 10.

If you are going to roll a D-core that is geared offensively, they are going to have regular breakdowns defensively. Thats where you need your goalie to be just good enough to keep them in it. Don't need them to Hasek, just not complete swiss cheese.

Our D is about the same as it was last year, the goaltending is a lot worse.


- Sabresfan-365

if our d is the same, and our goalies are worse, last season the 3 goalies allowed 256 goals


this season 251 goals


I am not counting empty netters


our d sucks, it really does


goalies bailed them out the first few months, and cooled off december 1st on


hell hutton was a potential all star goalie december 1st


goalies are never as bad as the mass makes them out to be, and never as good (few exceptions hasek, roy, brodeur)

Measuring their success through GAA isn't fair to them anyways.

Our D is about the same as it was last year, the goaltending is a lot worse.

Jacob Markstrom had the same kind of blue line in front of him with the nucks and his goals saved above average was just under 4.

Hutton was bottom 5 in high danger save percentage. We don't even need someone who is good, just someone who isn't bottom 10.

If you are going to roll a D-core that is geared offensively, they are going to have regular breakdowns defensively. Thats where you need your goalie to be just good enough to keep them in it. Don't need them to Hasek, just not complete swiss cheese.
- Sabresfan-365

side note, does your fancy stats include the quality of the shooters?



I mean if the leafs, bolts and bruins are firing these quality shots, pretty sure it's more effective then the sharks, ducks, kings etc



If I am a betting man, pretty sure the bottom teams in our division had the hardest schedule in the nhl, playing the bruins, leafs, and bolts the most and then facing the islanders, pens, blue jackets, caps, canes and habs


vs strength of schedule from the teams out west

I think the only way he walks is if Botts is sure he's got a more cost friendly plan B.
- Sabresfan-365

That dumbass never has a plan B. Total putz. They need to get someone in that position that has a little jam. They had one. Got rid of him like he was a 2nd line center.

Checks Gallup poll. Yup, still numero uno.