Ogilthorpe2
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The reason why the NHL won't make the call the same for all players is because they're terrified if a star player were a repeat offender and accumulated a huge suspension on multiple infractions. Ovechkin should have had 30 or 40 games by now for hitting guys into the boards from behind. Keith too had had numerous infractions ahd hasn't served the same time a lesser player would have received.
Powerenforcer is right about some things, this being one, but he takes it over the top by suggesting Bettman tries to prevent the Hawks from successding, especially when their success is so evident to see. - paulr
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Why would Vegas trade McNabb or Miller when they are both signed to good deals, they play an important role on their team and do not have cap issues?
They also traded their best D prospect to get Stone, so why weaken their D more? |
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Ogilthorpe2
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Why would Vegas trade McNabb or Miller when they are both signed to good deals, they play an important role on their team and do not have cap issues?
They also traded their best D prospect to get Stone, so why weaken their D more? - PatShart
Assuming the cap goes up by 3.5M next year to 83M, next year VGK has 17 players signed at a cap hit of about 82M. This per Cap Friendly. So they have to sign 5-6 players with $1M available. Their top RFA William Karlsson, who conservatively should get 5.5M, puts them at 87.5M. So the other 4-5 guys will be on cheap ELC contracts averaging 800K adds about 3 or 4M for a total of 91M.
That's (EDIT revised to 8M,) 8M over the cap that they have to off load to be cap compliant before the season starts and they are able to take advantage of Clarkson's LTIR salary of 5M. So Miller 3.875M, McNabb 2.5M, Eakin 3.85M = 10M of salary are three players they could off load. Of course those 3 would have to be replaced by lower cost players, costing say 2 or 2.5M netting them 8M in cap space. EDIT removed last sentence here.
Maybe VGK won't choose to trade the above three, but if they resign Karlsson others would have to be traded. EDIT. They need to trade off about 10M in salary. |
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paulr
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HawkintheD
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Location: Sick Bay, MI Joined: 02.22.2012
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Rozner sticking it to Uncle Dale
https://www.dailyherald.c...__twitter_impression=true - Ogilthorpe2
That’s awesome. I like the comparison to Ditka. Rozner doesn’t even mention specifically (assume it’s lumped in to the mismanagement of contracts) Uncle Dale having two number one goalies or paying them like it anyway.
That always seems to never get mentioned in the great Dale vs Stan debate, yet Stan is taken to the woodshed for taking a 1 year flyer on guys like Turco and Ward. |
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HawkintheD
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Location: Sick Bay, MI Joined: 02.22.2012
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Think that will change the narrative by a few Uncle Dale disciples? - paulr
Not a chance. Why let facts stand in the way of the narrative around Uncle Dale the hockey guy? |
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Scott1977
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Location: Yorkville, IL Joined: 08.30.2012
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I'm hoping the Hawks take Cozens too but maybe he won't make the team next year. All right with me if he spends another year in the WHL. Kabulik may sign with the Hawks and would replace him as a forward.
Also would like the to see the bottom six improved. Maybe obtain a Brandon Tanev or a Cody Eakin type to help improve the PK.
Don't think we should rush the young D men and bring them up next year. Try to obtain a cheap top 4 D via trade. I'll say it again ... Miller or McNabb from soon to be cap stressed Vegas would fit the bill.
Kabulik $1M for 3 years
Tanev $3M for 3 years
Eakin $3.85M for 1 year then comes off the books and replaced by Cozens
McNabb $2.5M for 3 years / Miller $3.9M for 3 years
McNabb/Miller could be exposed to the Seattle expansion draft if necessary to make room for one of the up and coming defenseman. - boilermaker100
Like your thinking right there with you |
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Ogilthorpe2
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Location: 37,000 FT Joined: 07.09.2009
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The Score is reporting 1 game for Kucherov |
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paulr
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The Score is reporting 1 game for Kucherov - Ogilthorpe2
The Leafs and their fans should be furious |
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Ogilthorpe2
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The Leafs and their fans should be furious - paulr
When aren’t they?
I agree, but I’m happy that he at least got something. |
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The Leafs and their fans should be furious - paulr
This may help the Bolts |
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paulr
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Location: YYZ Joined: 06.26.2011
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This may help the Bolts - BetweenTheDots
If it doesn't have a positive effect the lightening will be dusting off the golf clubs and the front office will be under pressure to fix the roster.
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gazza53
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Location: IL Joined: 09.15.2017
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The reason why the NHL won't make the call the same for all players is because they're terrified if a star player were a repeat offender and accumulated a huge suspension on multiple infractions. Ovechkin should have had 30 or 40 games by now for hitting guys into the boards from behind. Keith too had had numerous infractions ahd hasn't served the same time a lesser player would have received.
Powerenforcer is right about some things, this being one, but he takes it over the top by suggesting Bettman tries to prevent the Hawks from successding, especially when their success is so evident to see. - paulr
Bettman wants parity, hence he didnt want a Hawk dynasty.
Bettman, NHL has a tv show The Subban Project correct, now if suddenly
Subban the Perds get the Bettman special irt to reffing, would PE be wrong?
PE gets it right that Bettman has an agenda.
Today Canes win, Perds win, Leafs win,, Bab's has the attacking Charo
just like the Hawks did, Charo has no legs anymore,, Av's win.
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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Assuming the cap goes up by 3.5M next year to 83M, next year VGK has 17 players signed at a cap hit of about 82M. This per Cap Friendly. So they have to sign 5-6 players with $1M available. Their top RFA William Karlsson, who conservatively should get 5.5M, puts them at 87.5M. So the other 4-5 guys will be on cheap ELC contracts averaging 800K adds about 3 or 4M for a total of 91M.
That's (EDIT revised to 8M,) 8M over the cap that they have to off load to be cap compliant before the season starts and they are able to take advantage of Clarkson's LTIR salary of 5M. So Miller 3.875M, McNabb 2.5M, Eakin 3.85M = 10M of salary are three players they could off load. Of course those 3 would have to be replaced by lower cost players, costing say 2 or 2.5M netting them 8M in cap space. EDIT removed last sentence here.
Maybe VGK won't choose to trade the above three, but if they resign Karlsson others would have to be traded. EDIT. They need to trade off about 10M in salary. - boilermaker100
And looking at their depth, why trade cap friendly guys from position of weakness?
They have Glass in the minors who is ready, Gusev from Russia as well - both forwards. They'd trade guys like Haula or Eakin if anything |
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bogiedoc
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Location: VA Joined: 09.27.2011
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he gets 1 game...that cheap shot deserves at least 2 or 3...it was a head shot
once again so much player respect and the player safety dept giving a poop
maybe the jackets can get game 3 and get this series over with
https://www.nhl.com/news/...c-306726328?tid=306186908 |
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z1990z
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Location: NW USA Joined: 02.09.2012
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I am becoming a fan of Vegas. That team is relentless. I love the way they attack the puck and apply pressure. Now that is team identity. Same level of intensity on the fore check and the back check. Watching the playoffs shows how far away we are from being a Cup threat. We need an influx of 2 way aggressive forwards who will challenge all over the ice. |
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Ogilthorpe2
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Location: 37,000 FT Joined: 07.09.2009
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This may help the Bolts - BetweenTheDots
Maybe. Depends on their testicular fortitude. I know the Hawks had it when they lost Seabs for games, do the Bolts have it? Too many lavender sniffers? |
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Ogilthorpe2
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I am becoming a fan of Vegas. That team is relentless. I love the way they attack the puck and apply pressure. Now that is team identity. Same level of intensity on the fore check and the back check. Watching the playoffs shows how far away we are from being a Cup threat. We need an influx of 2 way aggressive forwards who will challenge all over the ice. - z1990z
Easy, just go out and get 2 or 3 Hossa types. |
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PatShart
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Location: Vegas, NV Joined: 06.25.2015
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I am becoming a fan of Vegas. That team is relentless. I love the way they attack the puck and apply pressure. Now that is team identity. Same level of intensity on the fore check and the back check. Watching the playoffs shows how far away we are from being a Cup threat. We need an influx of 2 way aggressive forwards who will challenge all over the ice. - z1990z
And notice they dont play manybrookies either? Remember how Q would get bashed for preferring vets over rookies...especially with bottom 6
Vets understand their roles much better and can handle less ice time while contributing.
Guys like Hartman, Hinostroza when here "weren't happy" when they didnt get the ice time they or fans thought they should get.
It's hard to win relying on young players to be role players. Vegas hasnt had to deal with that and it helps
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z1990z
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Location: NW USA Joined: 02.09.2012
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Easy, just go out and get 2 or 3 Hossa types. - Ogilthorpe2
Sikura could be one guy to fill that role. He has the tools. I think he knows that he is not going to be a top 6 scorer and may embrace that 3/4 line guy who fills the energy/PK role. Entwhistle is who I want to see. Classic 200 foot 2 way player. Very interesting off season ahead. This team MUST learn to get out of this perimeter crap in the O zone and start attacking the net. That is obvious with all the playoff teams. They all go to the net. Constantly. |
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Ogilthorpe2
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Sikura could be one guy to fill that role. He has the tools. I think he knows that he is not going to be a top 6 scorer and may embrace that 3/4 line guy who fills the energy/PK role. Entwhistle is who I want to see. Classic 200 foot 2 way player. Very interesting off season ahead. This team MUST learn to get out of this perimeter crap in the O zone and start attacking the net. That is obvious with all the playoff teams. They all go to the net. Constantly. - z1990z
C’mon, the guy can’t even score one goal |
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Theo Fox
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Respect your opinions ER and agree that 19/20 will be a building year on the way to an even better 20/21 season. However I think some improvements have to be made this off season to help build the team toward that goal. A couple of different bottom 6 forwards and a top 4 defenseman would help alot. Hopefully Kubalik could fill one of those forward positions.
I think it's risky to think that the Hawks will get better next year by just growing organically. What if Toews and Kane don't repeat their career years? What if Cat and Strome regress? What if a full training camp to implement JC's system doesn't take hold because some of the existing personnel just aren't good enough? Now trying to be a pessimist. I'm just throwing some different light on the situation. - boilermaker100
I liked reading both yours and ER’s posts about this. My take sort of combines your two thought processes:
At forward, explore upgrades at 3rd line center and 4th line wing with affordable deals at no more than 3 years. Whoever is drafted at #3 may have an impact, i.e. someone like Cozens is picked and makes the team. Anisimov’s fate with the team also is a factor. And guys like Sikura, Kubalik, and Kurashev are wild cards.
On the blueline, explore 1-2 reliable defenders who can eat minutes without being liabilities. Again, look for affordability and no more than 3 years. Gustafsson’s fate is a factor. And guys like Dahlstrom, Forsling, Koekkoek, Carlsson, and Gilbert are wild cards.
In net, explore a veteran like Ward who is willing to do a one year deal as a possible insurance policy if Crawford is questionable next season to play regularly. If Crawford is 100% healthy then stick with Delia and Forsberg as backup options.
Essentially, consider both paths of improving the roster internally and with affordable assets outside the organization. Elite talent isn’t necessarily the path especially if it hurts the cap and causes younger players to have to be let go, i.e. DeBrincat, Strome, Jokiharju, etc. |
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Elbows15
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Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL Joined: 08.04.2013
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And looking at their depth, why trade cap friendly guys from position of weakness?
They have Glass in the minors who is ready, Gusev from Russia as well - both forwards. They'd trade guys like Haula or Eakin if anything - PatShart
Guys like Eakin and Haula may be moved but they are still going to need to move more contracts. Those two aren't going to be enough. The net after replacing them is ~4M. |
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