I wonder what you could get if you offered Seabs and next years first round pick? Top 4 defender with a lower cap hit? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Same question if the deal was AA and next years 1st round pick? Top 4 defender? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Depending on the trading partner and their cap space situation and their need for a forward or defender it might be interesting to explore.

Remember that you not only get the player acquired in the trade you could get cap a little space this year or in future years.
- -Doh-

Trading Seabs contract is a pipedream, as long as the Roman Polak, Jordie Benn, Tyler Fedun, etc. of the world who can fill out your bottom 6 for $1 million a year to be a 5/6/7 defenseman, why would you take on Seabrooks contract/, even if Seabrook might be considered marginally better?

I wonder what you could get if you offered Seabs and next years first round pick? Top 4 defender with a lower cap hit? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Same question if the deal was AA and next years 1st round pick? Top 4 defender? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Depending on the trading partner and their cap space situation and their need for a forward or defender it might be interesting to explore.

Remember that you not only get the player acquired in the trade you could get cap a little space this year or in future years.
- -Doh-

Trading 1st round picks is a good way to spend a long time in mediocrity. I dislike the thought of trading 1st for a team that is rebuilding.

You’ll get no argument from me by pointing out that the draft is very much a crapshoot - and my gut has been way off on these picks many times before. I was ready to anoint Mark McNeil as the 2C behind Toews when the Hawks selected him 18th overall in 2011. That didn’t exactly work out.
- Chief4Feathers

Time will tell for sure. Maybe we'll miss on the first round pick but get a real gem in round 2 or 3. Not hoping for it, but who knows. It's happened before like 2004, we took Barker in round 1 and Bolland in Round 2. Bolland turned out to be a heck of a player for us. 2002 was a bit like that too when you consider the swing and miss on Babchuk in round 1 and then drafting Duncan Keith in round 2. I hope we get some good players.

With Cozens his potential is just too much to overlook, but like I said he's going to have to work hard to be the generational player he could be.. But I think Podkolzin is the safer pick, I mean he's already NHL ready and naturally he will only get better, and he's a complete player that can play at both ends of the ice - not only that but the kid has tremendous offensive talent.. Meanwhile Cozens could be a Connor McDavid but he really is a gamble... So do you go for the sure thing in Podkolzin or Hughes or Kakko if they slip or do you take the gamble and go for the high risk, high reward Connor McDavid type player?... Me personally I would go with the safe pick and select Podkolzin because it would suck to go from 12 to 3 only to select a bust.

Also, Podkolzin is very similar to Toews, Podkolzin just has more offensive upside. He could be a consistent PPG player that can play in all situations and be highly effective in all situations... And ultimately that's who I think Bowman will go with at 3rd overall. I mean Bowman isn't a risk taker, he goes for the sure thing almost always. Sure all draft picks are risks but I don't see Bowman gambling with the 3rd overall pick on a player that could be Connor McDavid but could also be Nail Yakupov or :sigh: - Viktor Stalberg.
- Savard2Secord

There just seems to be so many complications with getting a Russian prospect with a KHL contract over to North America and willing to go through your system. I’m very, very leery of the Hawks using the #3 on that kind of risk outside of the player’s actual talent.

Time will tell for sure. Maybe we'll miss on the first round pick but get a real gem in round 2 or 3. Not hoping for it, but who knows. It's happened before like 2004, we took Barker in round 1 and Bolland in Round 2. Bolland turned out to be a heck of a player for us. 2002 was a bit like that too when you consider the swing and miss on Babchuk in round 1 and then drafting Duncan Keith in round 2. I hope we get some good players.
- breadbag

More recently the McNeill draft where Stan drafted Danault and Clendening before getting Saad at 43. That was the draft that Shaw was a #5.

Time will tell for sure. Maybe we'll miss on the first round pick but get a real gem in round 2 or 3. Not hoping for it, but who knows. It's happened before like 2004, we took Barker in round 1 and Bolland in Round 2. Bolland turned out to be a heck of a player for us. 2002 was a bit like that too when you consider the swing and miss on Babchuk in round 1 and then drafting Duncan Keith in round 2. I hope we get some good players.
- breadbag

Bickell was drafted 9 slots behind Bolland in that draft.

Bickell was drafted 9 slots behind Bolland in that draft.
- LAHawk

Playoff Bickell... franking awesome.

I know Jake Wise was injured most of the year, he also has top 6 potential, needs seasoning.
- LAHawk

Sikura, Wise, and Kurashev have the most potential to play top 6, at least top 9. I'm guessing middle 6 for each of them with Sikura and Kurashev as wingers and Wise as a center.

I wonder what you could get if you offered Seabs and next years first round pick? Top 4 defender with a lower cap hit? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Same question if the deal was AA and next years 1st round pick? Top 4 defender? Top 6 forward? 3C?

Depending on the trading partner and their cap space situation and their need for a forward or defender it might be interesting to explore.

Remember that you not only get the player acquired in the trade you could get cap a little space this year or in future years.
- -Doh-

Well if the goal was to move Seabrook so you could sign Marner then Bowman couldn't offer next years first round pick because that would be part of the compensation for Marner..

As far as AA - the Hawks will have to include nothing to move him.. AA isn't a cap dump by any means - he just doesn't fit on this team any longer, so the Hawks will get something of value for him..

Of course it all depends on where Seabrook is willing to go, but I think if it's Florida I don't think the Hawks would have to add too much - because if Seabrook is going to Florida it's because he's wanted in Florida, not because Florida is willing to take on the contract for what comes with Seabrook...

So I really don't know.... But if I was Bowman I wouldn't give up a prospect that I see having a future with this team just to move Seabrook - especially when I have cap space...

I mean right now Seabrooks contract isn't holding the Hawks future plans back (yet) but if Marner is one of Bowmans targets then obviously the Seabrook contract will be an issue.

Sikura, Wise, and Kurashev have the most potential to play top 6, at least top 9. I'm guessing middle 6 for each of them with Sikura and Kurashev as wingers and Wise as a center.
- AEL_Fox

Those guy have potential, but the key is to not rely on them to make the team next season. The best case scenario is that 1-2 of those guys are NHL ready and it forces Stan to make moves with existing talent on the team.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Swedish hockey league but it appears that the Hawks have interest (along with Arizona, Colorado, and Toronto) in a player named Anton Wedin. Appears that Arizona is pushing the hardest/front runner but possibly something to keep an eye on.

https://www.expressen.se/...nget-shl-for-anton-wedin/
- TommyHawk

Stan is, that's where he shops for head coaches.

I have gone back and forth on my answering the Kakko or Cozen long term equation.


I have been trying to be diplomatic and follow my board but Cozen has old school tendencies truly exceptional top end speed and seems like he could be a generational talent like the guys above him...there I said it...no one else has said it...the soft passes, the way he masks his destination when he doesn't have the puck. and he is never gonna be the guy who doesn't follow his gut and out of deference to Kane, DeBrincat etc. try and get them the puck (like we saw Sikura and others do with clockwork) if he in fact has the shot. And even though I know the big Finnish winger (maybe centre but not in. my eyes) can sty focused with multiple opponents draped on him, I stayed up and reviewed that Dylan Cozen has against Western league opponents too.

I have loved this class of forwards down to Krebs so much and was holding back my energy levels to not be caught on a limb if/when they possibly flat-lined, but now I can tell I have told many I wanted Cozens but never thought there was a chance in the late trip ten.

Go back and read my diplomatic responses in the last two blogs and maybe you can see through to that.

I am not going to revise my Draftsite Mock ranks, because I feel that right now they still reflect MY best player available with Podkolzin at three slot, based on attributes, but as a Hawk hockey boy, I see dozens I like in Cozens

My question is: May I be forgiven.

This is so exciting for me!


btw I have the top 40 profiles up in my mock
- wiz1901

Wiz here is question in your best guess can cozens play next season in the nhl as the g hawks 3rd line center and can he play wing or center the best suited for him. No matter what hawks will get a very good player that will help immediately or the following year. If russian is serious about not coming over until he thinks he is ready then pass. Still think rangers pick the russian and hawks have a decision center or wing to me center is more important i go with cozens if i was picking.

There just seems to be so many complications with getting a Russian prospect with a KHL contract over to North America and willing to go through your system. I’m very, very leery of the Hawks using the #3 on that kind of risk outside of the player’s actual talent.
- Chief4Feathers

See: Shalunov, Max

Marner is a very interesting situation.

The second Tavares signed with the Leafs Shanahan (and the Nylander signings)opened the door to one of Matthews or Marner getting offer-sheeted.
- Savard2Secord

All I know is if a team has Cap room, this kid iS the real deal, and he continues to make me marvel at just how good he is.

I can't see the Leafs not doing what they must to keep him, and he probably sees winning there ahead leaving for "greener pastures."

He impacts the game is so many ways because he is really instinctively smart an unrated all around.

Can the Hawks try and win him over?

I think that this early pick might change trying to add a luxury like Marner but wow, that would be something...

All I know is if a team has Cap room, this kid iS the real deal, and he continues to make me marvel at just how good he is.

I can't see the Leafs not doing what they must to keep him, and he probably sees winning there ahead leaving for "greener pastures."

He impacts the game is so many ways because he is really instinctively smart an unrated all around.

Can the Hawks try and win him over?

I think that this early pick might change trying to add a luxury like Marner but wow, that would be something...
- wiz1901

If the Hawks can land Marner it will be, as you said, via trade. I don't see an offer sheet situation happening with Chicago.

More realistically, I can see Stan looking to acquire other talent (i.e. Kadri, Hyman) from the Leafs so they can free up cap space top re-sign Marner.

Not sure if anyone is familiar with the Swedish hockey league but it appears that the Hawks have interest (along with Arizona, Colorado, and Toronto) in a player named Anton Wedin. Appears that Arizona is pushing the hardest/front runner but possibly something to keep an eye on.

https://www.expressen.se/...nget-shl-for-anton-wedin/
- TommyHawk

If I could only read Swedish.

Wiz here is question in your best guess can cozens play next season in the nhl as the g hawks 3rd line center and can he play wing or center the best suited for him. No matter what hawks will get a very good player that will help immediately or the following year. If russian is serious about not coming over until he thinks he is ready then pass. Still think rangers pick the russian and hawks have a decision center or wing to me center is more important i go with cozens if i was picking.
- Scott1977

I am hoping Rangers go Podkolzin too, but I still think it is unlikely unless they really have K K downgraded.

If Cozens is brought in as the replacement for Anisimov, it would be kinda like the if Toews didn't go to North Dakota and walked in earlier...didn't he even say he needed the year developing?

Cozens is gonna be a really big kid, has a big frame. He doesn't have to necessarily be entrusted as a centre but a winger.
But if the Blackhawks are window shopping in Sweden for vet wingers I don't think the rush any first rounder unless the prospect beats a hawk guy off the roster.

(What we haven't talked about is...that getting elite level forward might hasten a departure of a core forward who might want to leave of one of the higher Cap hits at forward, because IF the kid is a bright light, he like each if the second contract kids around the league, will want a fat 8 mil plus second contract.)

hypothetical:
NJ picks Kappo
NY picks pod
Chicago picks cozens or hughes big decision there me i m picking cozens over hughs due his size and 2 way game either way hawks get a good player. I think that is how the first 3 picks go. Things can change as far as ranking players from now until the draft in June.

All I know is if a team has Cap room, this kid iS the real deal, and he continues to make me marvel at just how good he is.

I can't see the Leafs not doing what they must to keep him, and he probably sees winning there ahead leaving for "greener pastures."

He impacts the game is so many ways because he is really instinctively smart an unrated all around.

Can the Hawks try and win him over?

I think that this early pick might change trying to add a luxury like Marner but wow, that would be something...
- wiz1901

Do either the Hawks or Leafs do a trade centered around the #3 pick and Marner?
With the right balance, it could make sense for both sides if Marner says his minimum is Matthews $$ (which it should be)

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see Marner's agent use Toews/Kanes matching contracts as a starting point.

Also:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ent-leafs-trying-lowball/

“Nobody else is taking a discount. And now you’re asking (Marner) to take one again? It’s nonsense,” Ferris told the Star. “Mitch already did them a favour on the entry-level deal.”

The favour in question appears to involve the bonuses doled out to the team’s young stars, according to Ferris. When former GM Lou Lamoriello signed Marner to his entry-level deal, included were the negotiated Schedule A bonuses — worth up to $850,000 annually — but Ferris was told the club would not hand out Schedule B bonuses and their potential additional $2 million, he told Feschuk. Soon after, Matthews was inked to his own entry-level deal, including both Schedule A and Schedule B bonuses.

Yikes... bad move...

If the Hawks can land Marner it will be, as you said, via trade. I don't see an offer sheet situation happening with Chicago.

More realistically, I can see Stan looking to acquire other talent (i.e. Kadri, Hyman) from the Leafs so they can free up cap space top re-sign Marner.
- DarthKane

I bet the Leafs never figured Marner and Matthews would be commending this type of contract last summer when they signed Tavares. Man are the Leafs ever going to be in cap hell. Oh well, too bad so sad.

Or Turcotte, right? Love Turcotte.
- Elbows15

Me too!

His injuries kinda knocked him down but the USA forwards might go earlier than all the draftniks have predicted.

Well if the goal was to move Seabrook so you could sign Marner then Bowman couldn't offer next years first round pick because that would be part of the compensation for Marner..

As far as AA - the Hawks will have to include nothing to move him.. AA isn't a cap dump by any means - he just doesn't fit on this team any longer, so the Hawks will get something of value for him..

Of course it all depends on where Seabrook is willing to go, but I think if it's Florida I don't think the Hawks would have to add too much - because if Seabrook is going to Florida it's because he's wanted in Florida, not because Florida is willing to take on the contract for what comes with Seabrook...

So I really don't know.... But if I was Bowman I wouldn't give up a prospect that I see having a future with this team just to move Seabrook - especially when I have cap space...

I mean right now Seabrooks contract isn't holding the Hawks future plans back (yet) but if Marner is one of Bowmans targets then obviously the Seabrook contract will be an issue.
- Savard2Secord

I was thinking that because of Seab's term and cap hit you would not be able to move the contract at all. If you wanted to get that off the books for moves this year or in future years you would have to add something very enticing.

You could move AA now for a mid round pick or B level prospect. But if you added a 1st round pick could you get a lot more, like a legit top 6 RW or top 4 defender.

[quote=Black Raven]

Thanks...

this is my evidence on the Byram Bowen story...

Those guy have potential, but the key is to not rely on them to make the team next season. The best case scenario is that 1-2 of those guys are NHL ready and it forces Stan to make moves with existing talent on the team.
- DarthKane

Sikura is the only one I would expect to have a shot at making the team. Kurashev is at least a year away if not two. Wise should play all 4 years of college, especially given he essentially burned his freshman year with an injury that sidelined him for a majority of the season.

How does Cozens compare to Strome? Also a number 3 pick and the same height and when cozens fills out probably the same weight?
- LAHawk

I think he is more shot first than Stromer.