Well why would anyone want a teardown, after beating the Penguins in 2012. That team had pretty much the same core and our guys were 8 years younger, I know I wouldn't have wanted a teardown then. And then 2012-13 didn't go our way, Homer was still in charge, made some bad signings, so then is 2014 when we would have wanted the teardown? I just don't fall in the category of people that look very obtusely at something and then keep that very narrow point of view towards what they thought the problem was.

I just can't for the life of me think why any educated fan, would see a core of Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, and Couturier, and think, we'd be better tearing this down. What went wrong back then and really the problem stemmed years back with Homer drafting in the years of 2008-2013, is the lack of resources spent on goalies and defensemen. Sure we drafted them, but whoever Homer was trusting to scout couldn't hit on any of them really. We drafted 6 goalies between 08-13 and only one of them played more than 1 game in a flyers uniform (Anthony Stolarz).

We also drafted 15 defensemen during that time, and I bet you couldn't even guess half of them. Thankfully we got Gostisbehere out of that era, I guess Hagg, and who knows about Morin, but I fully believe what was wrong with us was the front office. with their willingness to give up draft picks, and their unorthodox drafting in that time period, it never replenished the system and didn't surround those core guys with the talent that is coming up now.

Hextall set this franchise up moving forward for a lot of success in my opinion, I just hope we're not too late ruining the primes of the aforementioned core (minus Simmer) of course.
- sjk540

IDK, this org. might have institutional issues.

This #11 pick does,nothing for me. I want risk/reward, enough 200 ft guys.

Doesn't make that ok either. So 2 wrongs do not make a right.

Once again. Ron Hextall had zero intention of this team making the playoffs from when he took over, until he was fired.


- DrMidnite

That is completely wrong on a catastrophic level.

Doesn't make that ok either. So 2 wrongs do not make a right.

Once again. Ron Hextall had zero intention of this team making the playoffs from when he took over, until he was fired.

His 'plan' would have been over when we made the playoffs; using his draft-first/develop policy. Period.

He wanted his own (for lack of a better word but by now it's synonymous with our city) PROCESS.

But the Sixers actually did it right with the Full-Tank.

They saw no reason to waffle. To be as bad as it gets to be in the POSITION to DRAFT ELITE TALENT is everything, because God knows how hard it is to sign/trade for them.

Even if the Sixers don't win this year....and just to switch to hockey for metaphor purposes, WE need our MALKIN/CROSBY or MACDAVID/DRAISAITL or TAVARES/MATTHEWS.

I understand ok teams can make runs like in 2010.

I would prefer and enjoy the pre-season favorite status with a real chance to win.
- DrMidnite

Entering 2009-10, the Flyers were THN's pick to win the Cup.

Hextall wanted to make the playoffs and then let the chips fall where they may. There were enough pieces to be a bubble team, and he kept them together. But his main priorities were to restock the farm system and work on the salary cap. He wasn't going to add significant pieces that might have helped the team go a little further at the expense of taking on long-term contracts and/or trading assets for vets. Those were his firm parameters.

That is completely wrong on a catastrophic level.
- MJL

Hyperbolic much?

As far as Vigneault: I am glass HALF full. I have my doubts AND hopes.
As far as Giroux stop making excuses. Eric lindros had mediocrity galore around him . So did Richards but both those guys got to the playoffs and won some series.
- JoeRussomanno

Eric Lindros didn't win anything and his team while heavily favored in the Cup finals, got swept. Mike Richards never won anything here either. By the way that year, Briere led the playoffs in scoring with 30 points. Richards was 4th in playoff scoring, Giroux was 6th, Leino 7th and Pronger was 11th, HArtnell 13th. Mediocrity was around them both? What in blazes name are you talking about!

Hyperbolic much?
- DrMidnite

The statement that Hextall had no intention of making the playoffs is the hyperbole.

As far as Vigneault: I am glass HALF full. I have my doubts AND hopes.
As far as Giroux stop making excuses. Eric lindros had mediocrity galore around him . So did Richards but both those guys got to the playoffs and won some series.
- JoeRussomanno

Giroux I believe was fourth in points on the team when we went to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010. Until 2014, I believe Giroux was one of the top playoff performers in the league, behind Briere and Zetterberg. Giroux was a major part in why we beat Pittsburgh in 2012, which is a series won.

As for Alan Vigneault. I’m pretty sure he’s seen a Stanley Cup Final twice with the Canucks against Boston and with the Rangers against LA within the last eight seasons.

Entering 2009-10, the Flyers were THN's pick to win the Cup.

Hextall wanted to make the playoffs and then let the chips fall where they may. There were enough pieces to be a bubble team, and he kept them together. But his main priorities were to restock the farm system and work on the salary cap. He wasn't going to add significant pieces that might have helped the team go a little further at the expense of taking on long-term contracts and/or trading assets for vets. Those were his firm parameters.
- bmeltzer

Yes Sir, thank you.

So do you believe it was more: hubris, or the new ownership that led to the leadership change?

Love the Giroux is nothing because stats lie, because I watch games and because he won't hit sumbody.

WIP Philly sports knowledge for life!!
- opeth_pa

That’s cool cause i love the kool aid drinking while we haven’t won a playoff series in forever bc stats are awesome.
Fantasy sports !!! Bc watching the actual game and deciphering what it takes to WIN is overrated.

Yes Sir, thank you.

So do you believe it was more: hubris, or the new ownership that led to the leadership change?
- DrMidnite

You thanked him for correcting your statement that Hextall did want the team to make the playoffs.

The statement that Hextall had no intention of making the playoffs is the hyperbole.
- MJL

With no real, legitimate goalie on the roster?

Who he, as a GM, was responsible for? Where the team could be expected to make it through the year?

You thanked him for correcting your statement that Hextall did want the team to make the playoffs.
- MJL

It was his reply, Krelboyne, that I thanked him for.

EDIT: saying and doing are 2 different things.

Wait, wait, wait is not a defined plan. Unless you have no timeframe!

That’s cool cause i love the kool aid drinking while we haven’t won a playoff series in forever bc stats are awesome.
Fantasy sports !!! Bc watching the actual game and deciphering what it takes to WIN is overrated.
- JoeRussomanno

You have to make the playoffs first, which is hard to do if your team is rebuilding or transitioning.

With no real, legitimate goalie on the roster?

Who he, as a GM, was responsible for? Where the team could be expected to make it through the year?
- DrMidnite

Brian Elliott was a real legitimate NHL goaltender.

It was his reply, Krelboyne, that I thanked him for.
- DrMidnite

I'm aware, just noting how he set the record straight

Giroux I believe was fourth in points on the team when we went to the Stanley Cup Final in 2010. Until 2014, I believe Giroux was one of the top playoff performers in the league, behind Briere and Zetterberg. Giroux was a major part in why we beat Pittsburgh in 2012, which is a series won.

As for Alan Vigneault. I’m pretty sure he’s seen a Stanley Cup Final twice with the Canucks against Boston and with the Rangers against LA within the last eight seasons.
- SuperSchennBros

Allow me to let you in on a little secret. 2014 is ancient history in the professional sports universe. As for Vigneault i’ve expla My stance on him ad nauseam today but keep acting like i’m completely ripping him bc I don’t do the nestea plunge with everyone.

That’s cool cause i love the kool aid drinking while we haven’t won a playoff series in forever bc stats are awesome.
Fantasy sports !!! Bc watching the actual game and deciphering what it takes to WIN is overrated.
- JoeRussomanno

all of your points kinda point to you not watching any flyers game over the past 10 years. its like all your points are regurgitated nonsense from the fans that believe that Giroux sucks (he doesn't), we should have tanked years ago (never smart to do, ask Edmonton and Buffalo where it's gotten them) and regardless whatever hiring, signing, etc. , this team makes, its immediately bad.

it is actually you, who is drinking the kool aid. Can you honestly not realize that this team finally has cap space (last time we had this much was summer of '07), finally has a potential future star goaltender (don't bring up Bob, that's sore subject), a new GM and coach with no ties to the flyers (when the hell has that ever happened, has it ever happened even???) and are still as pessimistic as they come just bringing up poop from years ago to formulate your opinion for whats going on now.

I know you try and predict the future by basing it on what history has told you, but we haven't been in the position we are now, in like the last 15 years. Sit back, let the draft happen, see what Fletch does as far as signings/trades/roster development, maybe let the team play for a month or two, then come back here and complain.

I'm aware, just noting how he set the record straight
- MJL

Thanks for replying to KRELBOYNE lol. Literally.

Thanks for replying to KRELBOYNE lol. Literally.
- DrMidnite

I ignored that classless and tasteless part of your post.

Eric Lindros didn't win anything and his team while heavily favored in the Cup finals, got swept. Mike Richards never won anything here either. By the way that year, Briere led the playoffs in scoring with 30 points. Richards was 4th in playoff scoring, Giroux was 6th, Leino 7th and Pronger was 11th, HArtnell 13th. Mediocrity was around them both? What in blazes name are you talking about!
- MJL

They won playoff series and were shoe ins for playoffs. Who’s embarrassing themselves now?

I ignored that classless and tasteless part of your post.

- MJL

Malcolm in the Middle was neither. Thx!

They won playoff series and were shoe ins for playoffs. Who’s embarrassing themselves now?
- JoeRussomanno

Nobody is denying that the current team needs to improve and get better.

all of your points kinda point to you not watching any flyers game over the past 10 years. its like all your points are regurgitated nonsense from the fans that believe that Giroux sucks (he doesn't), we should have tanked years ago (never smart to do, ask Edmonton and Buffalo where it's gotten them) and regardless whatever hiring, signing, etc. , this team makes, its immediately bad.

it is actually you, who is drinking the kool aid. Can you honestly not realize that this team finally has cap space (last time we had this much was summer of '07), finally has a potential future star goaltender (don't bring up Bob, that's sore subject), a new GM and coach with no ties to the flyers (when the hell has that ever happened, has it ever happened even???) and are still as pessimistic as they come just bringing up poop from years ago to formulate your opinion for whats going on now.

I know you try and predict the future by basing it on what history has told you, but we haven't been in the position we are now, in like the last 15 years. Sit back, let the draft happen, see what Fletch does as far as signings/trades/roster development, maybe let the team play for a month or two, then come back here and complain.
- sjk540

Dude i’ve been hearing this patience poop since 2011 and for a time subscribed to it. So uhgain koolaid drinking on your part.
Trying to predict the future? Pal let me tell you something and hopefully it gets through your head: I’ve BEEN predicting the future. I don’t need a (frank)ing stat sheet to tell me making guys like giroux your franchise guy spells trouble. Just watch two playoff series of his against NJ and NY. He gets blanketed and pushed pff the puck too too easy. He has nice elements to his game, no he doesn’t suck but you’re not winning a cup with these perimeter pete type guys.

You have to make the playoffs first, which is hard to do if your team is rebuilding or transitioning.
- SuperSchennBros

Excuses excuse excuses excuses excuses excuses.... winners don’t make them, they win.

Nobody is denying that the current team needs to improve and get better.
- MJL

So! How many years should Hexy have gotten?

Please provide the years in between our playoff appearances and his tenure.

It was taking way too long. He used the Holmgren GM thing as an excuse for being awful. A better GM would have sped it up a little.