St. Louis/WPG is a good series

Points are a result of goals. Nyquist had his hand in on 60 goals this year. Skinner had his hand in on 63. The right set up man and anyone can score goals. Pominville was going to score 30 if he played a full 82 with Eichel. So we are supposed to reward a winger who is useless if he isn’t scoring a full $3M more then Nyquist because he scores goals ? Mark stone is the best two way forward in the league and about a PPG player and Skinner is worth that type of money ?

I like Skinner, I just think anything more then $8M on the back nine of his career screams buyer beware unless the guy develops any play making ability or becomes a selkie candidate over night. Either that or he better score 60 instead of 40.
- Pegullaville

Skinner is gonna get overpaid
If we want him, that’s what we are gonna have to do

Saying goals & assists are EQUAL is a dumb argument though, and wrong
Way wrong
Just leave that out of your argument & u make much more sense

Skinner is gonna get overpaid
If we want him, that’s what we are gonna have to do

Saying goals & assists are EQUAL is a dumb argument though, and wrong
Way wrong
Just leave that out of your argument & u make much more sense
- jdfitz77

Points are points. The argument that goals are worth that much more then assists is what’s dumb. Skinner is just a volume shooter that throws everything at the net hence why he doesn’t get many assists. Without Eichel’s primary assists the guy probably scores 25. Eichel inflated his value. Now we got to pay him $9M to score 40 when Olofsson potentially could score 25-30 on his wing for less then a million ? Reinhart had more points then Skinner and scored 25 goals for $3M.

What’s your favorite taco place?

I’ll go LaDavina
- sbroads24

I heard it's not as good since the raid.

Ive heard of a lot of cooks that do it and think it makes the dough more bubbly and lighter. But chemists say it doesn't work that way from a scientific basis.
- Der Kaiser

It's a lot easier to just not cook it when it's cold. Let the dough rise some first and it's as airy as you could ever want.

Look at the Winnipeg goal tonight

Wheeler gets the secondary assist
Conner the primary
Scheiffele the goal

Watch the play

The pass Conner made & the actual drive to the net & tip by Scheiffele were way more responsible parts of that goal being scored that’s what Wheeler did

Was Conner’s assist as important as the goal?
Yeah, it was a hell of a play

But what Wheeler did is not anywhere close to “equal”

St. Louis/WPG is a good series
- sbroads24

Bad catholic having a good series.

Look at the Winnipeg goal tonight

Wheeler gets the secondary assist
Conner the primary
Scheiffele the goal

Watch the play

The pass Conner made & the actual drive to the net & tip by Scheiffele were way more responsible parts of that goal being scored that’s what Wheeler did

Was Conner’s assist as important as the goal?
Yeah, it was a hell of a play

But what Wheeler did is not anywhere close to “equal”
- jdfitz77

Stick Olofsson in the slot and he scores 10 goals less then Skinner for $8M less. Carolina didn’t seem to miss him this year becuase they played a 2-way team game. Skinner doesn’t PK, and the coach didn’t trust his defensive game enough to even let him play 3 on 3 OT. How many times did we see Eichel with Sheary out there ?

$9M is a lot of dough for someone who in 9 seasons averages a shade less then 60 points.

St. Louis/WPG is a good series
- sbroads24

Would it kill you to go 1 post without mentioning RoR?

Should have thrown Binnington into the deal. Crazy what he's done this year.

Would it kill you to go 1 post without mentioning RoR?

Should have thrown Binnington into the deal. Crazy what he's done this year.
- Lunaion

I haven't watched the first 3 games but It's been a good game to watch.

Anyone wanna opine about this set up? Draft goes:
Hughes
Kakko
Byram
Pod
Turcotte
Cozens

Who do the Sabres take? Dach or Zegras, I'd imagine. Someone else?

Look at the Winnipeg goal tonight

Wheeler gets the secondary assist
Conner the primary
Scheiffele the goal

Watch the play

The pass Conner made & the actual drive to the net & tip by Scheiffele were way more responsible parts of that goal being scored that’s what Wheeler did

Was Conner’s assist as important as the goal?
Yeah, it was a hell of a play

But what Wheeler did is not anywhere close to “equal”
- jdfitz77

Oh btw Hockey Night In Canada just spent two minutes talking about the play Wheeler made to get possession and dodge the Pietrnagelo hit to set up that whole play. If Wheeler doesn’t avoid the hit there is no pass to Connor and no net drive from Scheifele.

Anyone wanna opine about this set up? Draft goes:
Hughes
Kakko
Byram
Pod
Turcotte
Cozens

Who do the Sabres take? Dach or Zegras, I'd imagine. Someone else?
- PrinceChill

The nice part about the NHL draft is that one of those 6 will slip.

Stick Olofsson in the slot and he scores 10 goals less then Skinner for $8M less. Carolina didn’t seem to miss him this year becuase they played a 2-way team game. Skinner doesn’t PK, and the coach didn’t trust his defensive game enough to even let him play 3 on 3 OT. How many times did we see Eichel with Sheary out there ?

$9M is a lot of dough for someone who in 9 seasons averages a shade less then 60 points.
- Pegullaville

This is a completely different argument & point

And I’m not gonna continue the discussion

I already said these other points of yours have merit
Although stuff like Pommer would score 30 & Olofsson would score 10less than Skinner are wild guesses at best

However...
Assists = Goals does not compute

I laid out the situation that just happened tonight and u had absolutely no response to how there is a legit difference between the assist Wheeler got credited for and the goal by Scheiffele & assist by Conner
Some assists directly result in goals
MANY do not
Those that don’t, are nowhere near “EQUAL” to goals

The nice part about the NHL draft is that one of those 6 will slip.
- Lunaion

Absolutely. After 2, its anyone's guess really. Trusting that the scouts have this one pinpointed. I'd love to hear their draft broad discussions, that'd be very interesting.

This is a completely different argument & point

And I’m not gonna continue the discussion

I already said these other points of yours have merit
Although stuff like Pommer would score 30 & Olofsson would score 10less than Skinner are wild guesses at best

However...
Assists = Goals does not compute

I laid out the situation that just happened tonight and u had absolutely no response to how there is a legit difference between the assist Wheeler got credited for and the goal by Scheiffele & assist by Conner
Some assists directly result in goals
MANY do not
Those that don’t, are nowhere near “EQUAL” to goals
- jdfitz77

Read my post above. The experts gagged on Wheeler for the play he made in the neutral zone. That whole play doesn’t happen unless he avoids that hit and makes the spring pass to Connor. Watch Skinner’s high light reel and tell me how many goals he scores just standing in the slot depositing a remarkable Eichel primary assist that even Okposo might have scored. Skinner is good at his craft, but he doesn’t do enough to warrant $9M. I could probbaly get 23 assists playing with Eichel and Reinhart.

Oh btw Hockey Night In Canada just spent two minutes talking about the play Wheeler made to get possession and dodge the Pietrnagelo hit to set up that whole play. If Wheeler doesn’t avoid the hit there is no pass to Connor and no net drive from Scheifele.
- Pegullaville

And it doesn’t happen if someone doesn’t pass it to Wheeler
Yet the play he made didn’t directly result in the goal
And there wouldn’t have been a goal of Conner didn’t make a hell of a pass & Scheiffele didn’t make a great play to deflect it in

Seriously...
i can go all day with scenarios that show how assists aren’t as valuable as the goal

Just stop

Read my post above. The experts gagged on Wheeler for the play he made in the neutral zone. That whole play doesn’t happen unless he avoids that hit and makes the spring pass to Connor. Watch Skinner’s high light reel and tell me how many goals he scores just standing in the slot depositing a remarkable Eichel primary assist that even Okposo might have scored. Skinner is good at his craft, but he doesn’t do enough to warrant $9M. I could probbaly get 23 assists playing with Eichel and Reinhart.
- Pegullaville

Yeah... basically by accident. Give the puck to one of them & watch them make the play & score the goal

Bet u wouldn’t get 2 goals though

You just helped my point
Thanks

Game over

Absolutely. After 2, its anyone's guess really. Trusting that the scouts have this one pinpointed. I'd love to hear their draft broad discussions, that'd be very interesting.
- PrinceChill

Yup, wouldn't shock me at all if they end up with the guy they have at #4 on their board.

And it doesn’t happen if someone doesn’t pass it to Wheeler
Yet the play he made didn’t directly result in the goal
And there wouldn’t have been a goal of Conner didn’t make a hell of a pass & Scheiffele didn’t make a great play to deflect it in

Seriously...
i can go all day with scenarios that show how assists aren’t as valuable as the goal

Just stop
- jdfitz77

And Wheleer could of made the same deflection Scheifele made ffs. POINTS ARE POINTS. Skinner gets 63 of them. Nyquist got 60. Skinner is a $7.5-$8M player who is going to be grossly overpaid cause he has all of the leverage in the world. He is not elite, if he was we would have made the playoffs and playing with Eichel he would of racked up 80+ points. Great goal scorer, would love to have him on the team, but not an absurd number that we are going to look back on in 3 years and he can become the new Okposo.

Anyone wanna opine about this set up? Draft goes:
Hughes
Kakko
Byram
Pod
Turcotte
Cozens

Who do the Sabres take? Dach or Zegras, I'd imagine. Someone else?
- PrinceChill

Tough to say
I think I’d like Cozens or Turcotte to fall to us
Turcotte might
I doubt Cozens does

Hell yeah jets

Yeah... basically by accident. Give the puck to one of them & watch them make the play & score the goal

Bet u wouldn’t get 2 goals though

You just helped my point
Thanks

Game over
- jdfitz77

Skinner is a 2LW and if he is worth $9M then get comfortable because this team is never making the playoffs again.

Yup, wouldn't shock me at all if they end up with the guy they have at #4 on their board.
- Lunaion

No matter who it is, I'm no less than 100% certain they will say "we couldn't believe he was still there."

Tough to say
I think I’d like Cozens or Turcotte to fall to us
Turcotte might
I doubt Cozens does
- jdfitz77

No matter what combo of players go 1-6, I always end up with an interesting and tough choice at 7. I'm desperate for front end help but if Byram slips, you have to take a long look at him.