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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:00 PM ET

Great stuff as usual Carol, I notice Soderstrom moved up the board a fair bit as well. Starting to think he might not even make it to 10.


- neem55


That would be sweet, higher chance of a better prospect falling
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 16 @ 5:00 PM ET
I thought this year (after they acknowledged the need for an earnest rebuild) they would load up on picks. I thought the Guddy trade was the first of many to come.
- bloatedmosquito


I'm disappointed in you, you should know by now not to expect nice things.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 16 @ 5:01 PM ET
I’m not upset, just expected better from you since you usually seem open to actual hockey discussion and don’t just reply with memes when you’re wrong.

In the past you’ve called me out on things and I’ve manned up to it.

- Nucker101


You've completely lost me. I have no idea what you are so serious about and I seem to have missed the seriousness in my comments obviously? A couple of man bun jokes? I replied to the hockey comments. You thought they were not relevant... whoops. My apologies. Not sure why you are so disappointed in me.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:02 PM ET
That’s a lot of smurf !!! I haven’t decided on Caufield. Definitely interested in how he does in the U18’s
- CanuckDon


i think i would always prefer that a player has the size/weight/strength to withstand what is deemed normal in the NHL, but i just what he did at the U18's the other day when he scored 4 goals, and the kid is a pure sniper.

Again, preference would always be an NHL sized body, but beggers can't be choosers, ill take a smurf if he can do what debricant is doing and pot us 40 goals a season.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:03 PM ET
I prefer Newhook or Brink over Caufield if they are going to take a risky player.

I was pumping up Debrincat during his draft year and was hoping we picked up another late first to grab him but not in the top 10.

- belcherbd


Newhook's name popped up a bunch for his recent play at U18's. I don't think playing in the BCHL has done him very good for getting his name and play out there, but have read a few recent articles by Cam and Ryan saying he is still a very very good prospect.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 16 @ 5:03 PM ET
I'm making pizza for sweep night.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:05 PM ET
Oh this is going to be a good thread.
- A_SteamingLombardi

lol

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 16 @ 5:07 PM ET
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 16 @ 5:08 PM ET
I'm disappointed in you, you should know by now not to expect nice things.
- belcherbd


I know we have a tendency to overhype draft picks even thought the likelihood is that players drafted will never reach the NHL. But as a fan the draft is the only thing I look forward to before next season starts.

I'm dreading the start of this year's free agency.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:09 PM ET

- boonerbuck

lol
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:10 PM ET
i think i would always prefer that a player has the size/weight/strength to withstand what is deemed normal in the NHL, but i just what he did at the U18's the other day when he scored 4 goals, and the kid is a pure sniper.

Again, preference would always be an NHL sized body, but beggers can't be choosers, ill take a smurf if he can do what debricant is doing and pot us 40 goals a season.

- Codes1087


I do remember reading somewhere that players 6ft and above are more likely to be successful first round picks than players under 6ft that get selected in round 1, but that same article then said that under 6ft players were better value picks in the latter rounds.

But I’m not sure how big of a sample size they used and if they simply determined a “successful” first pick as a dude who plays 100 games even if it’s in a 4th line/AHL call up role.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:12 PM ET
i think i would always prefer that a player has the size/weight/strength to withstand what is deemed normal in the NHL, but i just what he did at the U18's the other day when he scored 4 goals, and the kid is a pure sniper.

Again, preference would always be an NHL sized body, but beggers can't be choosers, ill take a smurf if he can do what debricant is doing and pot us 40 goals a season.

- Codes1087

Yes if it's 1. We already have petey that is thin, add stetcher, there's palmu and the tiny Russian we drafted thats like 5'4. Enough of the smurfs. Too many small players already
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:13 PM ET
I thought this year (after they acknowledged the need for an earnest rebuild) they would load up on picks. I thought the Guddy trade was the first of many to come.
- bloatedmosquito


April 16
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 16 @ 5:14 PM ET
As usual, you play it backwards. I was the one you applied a little friendly banter and he got a little upset. Nowhere have I gotten upset. In fact, I just keep joking.

You should stay out of it. You always put yourself in the middle of it and reverse the roles.

- boonerbuck


You consider this friendly banter?

"You back your bum up to the glory hole and then complain that it hurts."

You were just female doging about comments like this a week or two ago. Your hockey talk is solid so stick to it. Leave the personal attacks and insults out of it.
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Apr 16 @ 5:15 PM ET
Newhook's name popped up a bunch for his recent play at U18's. I don't think playing in the BCHL has done him very good for getting his name and play out there, but have read a few recent articles by Cam and Ryan saying he is still a very very good prospect.
- Codes1087


I agree with not overreacting to one tournament but for guys like him it's a chance to see how they perform against better quality competition.

He's one of the more interesting prospects this year.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:15 PM ET
Yes if it's 1. We already have petey that is thin, add stetcher, there's palmu and the tiny Russian we drafted thats like 5'4. Enough of the smurfs. Too many small players already
- SMBDragon


Petey is thin, but he has the height.
Stecher doesn't seem to let his lack of size prohibit him from defending seemingly well
and Palmu and Manukyan are as good as finished from playing in North America and were both late rounds draft picks. Caufield should not be mentioned in the same breath as those two stumps.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 16 @ 5:15 PM ET
April 16
- VANTEL


I wish I had your positivity. I like Drafter Jim better than Trader Jim.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yes if it's 1. We already have petey that is thin, add stetcher, there's palmu and the tiny Russian we drafted thats like 5'4. Enough of the smurfs. Too many small players already
- SMBDragon


I still like the idea of targeting taller, lanky prospects who have a decent combination of skill/speed/hockey sense.

More room for physical growth and improvement compared to the man children who have inflated stats due to being more physically developed at a younger age.

Obviously there are exceptions, like a dude like Anthony Mantha was criticized for having inflated stats due to his size and playing in the Q but turned out to be an excellent pick. Bo was also built pretty well when he was drafted.

And then there’s short dudes like Hughes and DeBrincat who are just dynamic talents.

But overall, I’d lean towards the taller/lanky prospects just for the potential upside.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 16 @ 5:19 PM ET
You consider this friendly banter?

"You back your bum up to the glory hole and then complain that it hurts."

You were just female doging about comments like this a week or two ago. Your hockey talk is solid so stick to it. Leave the personal attacks and insults out of it.

- bloatedmosquito


You really do get everything backwards dont you.

Nice try. The conversation he is talking about was in the last thread. I made that later comment after he female doged me out about nothing but a joke and it's still not serious as much as you try.

You are trying to get him and I to war. Fack off.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:21 PM ET
I still like the idea of targeting taller, lanky prospects who have a decent combination of skill/speed/hockey sense.

More room for physical growth and improvement compared to the man children who have inflated stats due to being more physically developed at a younger age.

Obviously there are exceptions, like a dude like Anthony Mantha was criticized for having inflated stats due to his size and playing in the Q but turned out to be an excellent pick. Bo was also built pretty well when he was drafted.

And then there’s short dudes like Hughes and DeBrincat who are just dynamic talents.

But overall, I’d lean towards the taller/lanky prospects just for the potential upside.

- Nucker101


This ^

If Zegras/Krebs/Boldy/Caufield are available at 10, its probably much much safer to land one of the first 3 than pass over and take Caufield. Having said that, if Brackett gets the sense that his height won't inhabit him from being Debricant 2.0, than I trust his judgement and would equally be happy with that pick.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 16 @ 5:21 PM ET
Petey is thin, but he has the height.
Stecher doesn't seem to let his lack of size prohibit him from defending seemingly well
and Palmu and Manukyan are as good as finished from playing in North America and were both late rounds draft picks. Caufield should not be mentioned in the same breath as those two stumps.

- Codes1087


Yeah, at some point, this team is going to need some bigger players in the higher rounds that have a good NHL projection and that may mean dropping out of BPA providing its not a Jack Hughes type.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 16 @ 5:22 PM ET
I still like the idea of targeting taller, lanky prospects who have a decent combination of skill/speed/hockey sense.

More room for physical growth and improvement compared to the man children who have inflated stats due to being more physically developed at a younger age.

Obviously there are exceptions, like a dude like Anthony Mantha was criticized for having inflated stats due to his size and playing in the Q but turned out to be an excellent pick. Bo was also built pretty well when he was drafted.

And then there’s short dudes like Hughes and DeBrincat who are just dynamic talents.

But overall, I’d lean towards the taller/lanky prospects just for the potential upside.

- Nucker101


Tall, lanky, and skilled. That's a tough combo to find. Like 4 guys out of 210 or so.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 16 @ 5:22 PM ET
I wish I had your positivity. I like Drafter Jim better than Trader Jim.
- bloatedmosquito



I don't know if it is positivity . I can't judge the draft until it happens. I can't judge the trades until they happen . There is only about 15 players that I know about in the first round so I am not going to get bent out of shape that we didn't select someone I know nothing about.

I care more about the trades this summer over all other things.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:23 PM ET
Yeah, at some point, this team is going to need some bigger players in the higher rounds that have a good NHL projection and that may mean dropping out of BPA providing its not a Jack Hughes type.
- boonerbuck


im ok doing this outside of the first round, but i have always been a firm believer in BPA with first round selection due to the talent that is there, in whatever position the kid plays.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Apr 16 @ 5:24 PM ET
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...like-fighting-muffin-man/

Some solid chirps.!!! Only series I’m interested in
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