Malkin for Schmaltz. One 90-point guy for another. Saves cap space too. Although Chayka and Tanner might reject the deal.

Hey Ryan I kept reading for weeks how the Islanders would be such a favorable matchup for your beloved Penguins. Over and over you were begging for the Penguins first series to be against the Islanders. Well, you just learned a hard lesson, be careful what you wish for! And it amazes me the only thing you see about the series is all the Penguins' failures. Almost no credit for a team that played incredibly solid hockey, the New York Islanders!
- mrniftee

The Isles pretty much played a perfect 4 games, from end to end.

Nope. Pens fans haven’t had an idea of what direction he’s been taking them since the 2nd cup lol.
- j.boyd919

JR doesn't know either. lol

Declining enough that they cannot drag a supporting cast of corpses to a championship though?
- Feds91Stammer

Supporting cast of corpses? Come on now haha. I like their forward group. Have to think Cullen is gone now and Teddy takes his place. Wilson and ZAR can go and I wouldnt care. Every time ZAR seems to be turning a corner he gets injured then looks like poop for weeks upon his return.

Pens have a good core to work around.

Sid
Geno
Kessel
Letang
Dumo
Maatta
Jake
Bjugstad
McCann
Blueger
Simon
Murray

There are others I’d keep, but I think if you kept that group and retooled around them they can be a contender again.

We were water-cooling it here this morning... probably WAY more time invested than we should, LOL... but aside from say trying to move Guds, JJ, etc.(cap moves), I liked the idea of putting Malkin and yes, Letang on the block. NOT because this series disaster is their fault, but maybe because they would draw the most attention on the market and give GMJR some fleixibility for a retool. Even with some salary retained, we could be looking at $12M in cap space which could go a long way. And you still have Sid, Jake, Phil, and 4 and 8 on D... still a pretty good core.
My premise for this suggestion? One, IMHO this group is done chemistry-wise, and I think it showed in a YUGE way against the Isles. There was just NO drive or energy. And two, in this day and age, you don't keep players around for life no matter what. Well, accept Sid. My bad. Sh!t if we keep adding players to the lifer list like y'all are, there'll be 20 of them before the draft even gets here, and y'all will be old men b!tching about THAT someday on RW"s blog, LOL!
- Cousinskrid

Nah. I’ve accepted Sid and Geno and Letang as lifers. Phil’s was more tongue in cheek. Guentzel should be untouchable. Everyone else, even Murray should be open for trade. I agree with Grinder, I like the idea of using Murray as a trade chip to be honest.

Pens have a good core to work around.

Sid
Geno
Kessel
Letang
Dumo
Maatta
Jake
Bjugstad
McCann
Blueger
Simon
Murray

There are others I’d keep, but I think if you kept that group and retooled around them they can be a contender again.
- Rinosaur

I agree.

So totally unrelated to the Pens but I just found out if you're a paying Spotify subscriber, they will send you a free Google Home Mini...they will be sending me one soon.

EDIT: turns out today is the deadline for this....

Nah. I’ve accepted Sid and Geno and Letang as lifers. Phil’s was more tongue in cheek. Guentzel should be untouchable. Everyone else, even Murray should be open for trade. I agree with Grinder, I like the idea of using Murray as a trade chip to be honest.
- j.boyd919

I am good with shipping Murray. Make DeSmith #1 and try signing a veteran G as a proper backup.

So totally unrelated to the Pens but I just found out if you're a paying Spotify subscriber, they will send you a free Google Home Mini...they will be sending me one soon.

EDIT: turns out today is the deadline for this....
- MattStrat

How’d you find that out?

How’d you find that out?
- j.boyd919

A guy on my Facebook had a picture with the caption "just got my free Google Home Mini for being a premium Spotify subscriber", so I immediately investigated haha.

A guy on my Facebook had a picture with the caption "just got my free Google Home Mini for being a premium Spotify subscriber", so I immediately investigated haha.
- MattStrat

Where do you sign up?? I have premium

Where do you sign up?? I have premium
- j.boyd919

This work?

https://www.spotify.com/ca-en/googlehome/offer/

Nah. I’ve accepted Sid and Geno and Letang as lifers. Phil’s was more tongue in cheek. Guentzel should be untouchable. Everyone else, even Murray should be open for trade. I agree with Grinder, I like the idea of using Murray as a trade chip to be honest.
- j.boyd919

Agreed on Murray.

As for Geno and Letang, I just don't ffeel like their style is fitting with Sully's approach, and maybe he just deals with it because they are stars, and the Pens pay them a ton.

A guy on my Facebook had a picture with the caption "just got my free Google Home Mini for being a premium Spotify subscriber", so I immediately investigated haha.
- MattStrat

It’s for you maple syrup drinkers only. Sum’ bîtch.

Agreed on Murray.

As for Geno and Letang, I just don't ffeel like their style is fitting with Sully's approach, and maybe he just deals with it because they are stars, and the Pens pay them a ton.
- Cousinskrid

Then get rid of Sully. Coaches are easier to replace than superstars.

It’s for you maple syrup drinkers only. Sum’ bîtch.
- j.boyd919

Ahh fvck, I wondered if that was the case. Sh!tty.

Then get rid of Sully. Coaches are easier to replace than superstars.
- j.boyd919

I would not be surprised or disappointed to wake up one morning and find that Sully has been let go. But IMHO, Geno and Letang are your biggest (return) potential chips. This group has run its course.

I would not be surprised or disappointed to wake up one morning and find that Sully has been let go. But IMHO, Geno and Letang are your biggest (return) potential chips. This group has run its course.
- Cousinskrid

The pens will never get equal value for Geno and Letang. They will then continue to look for that “true #1 Dman” and that “elusive 2C.” We already have both of them
The core has not run its course. Management has, by making bad moves. It’s unlikely that they make another deep run, but as a fan I would rather see my favorite players retire a penguin then ship them off to make shift a lineup that will be worse than ones with them in it. You ship Geno and Letang and you still have the garbage in the rest of the roster.

The pens will never get equal value for Geno and Letang. They will then continue to look for that “true #1 Dman” and that “elusive 2C.” We already have both of them
The core has not run its course. Management has, by making bad moves. It’s unlikely that they make another deep run, but as a fan I would rather see my favorite players retire a penguin then ship them off to make shift a lineup that will be worse than ones with them in it. You ship Geno and Letang and you still have the garbage in the rest of the roster.
- j.boyd919

I entirely agree...I also look at it this way. If by some miracle they can dump JR and MS and then trim some players and add in the Adam Johnson's, C Addison's (maybe not this year), Teddy, etc. I think this team will be back in the thick of it. I think there is more than enough veteran presence on this team in Sid/Geno/Jake/Letang/Dumo/Schultz to allow for a sizable influx of youth. The talent doesn't have to (and likely can't) be elite but young and hungry. I look forward to it.

I hope the moves they make are not drastic player-wise but strategic and an overhaul of management.

The pens will never get equal value for Geno and Letang. They will then continue to look for that “true #1 Dman” and that “elusive 2C.” We already have both of them
The core has not run its course. Management has, by making bad moves. It’s unlikely that they make another deep run, but as a fan I would rather see my favorite players retire a penguin then ship them off to make shift a lineup that will be worse than ones with them in it. You ship Geno and Letang and you still have the garbage in the rest of the roster.
- j.boyd919

I really don’t understand why so many people don’t get this.

Also, to add, it’s not our core thats deficiente, it’s our supporting cast. Adding to the core is not possible due to cap constraints, But taking away from elite talent to add to supporting cast members is only gonna make us worse because it drains us of elite talent.

I really don’t understand why so many people don’t get this.

Also, to add, it’s not our core thats deficiente, it’s our supporting cast. Adding to the core is not possible due to cap constraints, But taking away from elite talent to add to supporting cast members is only gonna make us worse because it drains us of elite talent.
- Victoro311

I don't know that it's people 'not getting this', but rather a lot of speculation and opinions after an unexpected Isles drubbing. Geno IS one of my all time favorites, and my thoughts today would be vastly different, even had the Pens gone down 4-2. But swept? 6 goals in 4 games? Too many battle-hardened (playoff) guys not playing to their potential against a team that hadn't even sniffed the 'offs in a LONG time. Guys like Geno and Kris are supposed to be THE guys to pull their team together after going down 2-0, and that didn't even come close to happening.

I'm a happy Pens fan... seen all 5 cup runs in their entirety... just think this group (maybe Sully included) has run its course, and 71 and 58 could garner the most interest. I don't WISH to see them go.

RW keep up the good work. I continue as a lifetime Pens fan to be amazed at what this fan base is capable of. Many are still whining about the decision to move on from Fleury. A sizeable number of fans remarked at Game 3 on Sunday "We wouldnt be in this mess if we still had Flower" it is truly unreal. There is far more in play here than poor goaltending.
You see the same every time you point out the numbers that say JJ is bad for this team. So many Pens fans dont want to hear that one of their players is weak or bad, or that one of their executives is hurting the team. Instead, they crucify the messenger.

This team has problems, but one thing it did show is that --unfortunately--you were right. It is up to GM JR to fix them, but he is the man who created many of the problems to begin with. So let me get this straight: you win 2 Stanley Cups with 1 plan (and some puck luck) then decide "nope this didnt work, we wont get pushed around again" and start selling off assets to acquire the big physical goons your speed approach basically rendered obsolete? And we want this guy to Fix the problems he created? YIKES! And how much did the loss of Botterill hurt this front office?
We are fortunate to have won 5 Cups. We have every right to question whether we should have 1-2 more as long as you appreciate the ones you have an realize how lucky this fan base has been.

I don't think anyone on the team had what could be called a "good" series. However, as bad as he was, I don't get the people wanting to trade Letang. He's not what he used to be, but who are you going to get to come in and replace him? If you're trading him for futures, you're basically saying this is the end of the Crosby era.
- jmatchett383

I think you are right... Maybe Pens should let go of all 3 and get tons of assets are start a rebuild, which would be quick with everything they'd get in return.

Welcome to the part where Jim Rutherford thinks the team is better than it really is and just keeps shuffling around deck chairs on the Titanic until you're stuck with a team that can only hit 84 points for 10 (frank)ing years in a row.
- BINGO!

Reminds me of the Devils as he's following the Lou Lamariello playbook to a tee. Lou kept plugging the team with UFA's to try to win Marty another cup and next thing we knew we were old, slow and a rudderless ship