I see you only took one thing out of that, totally looked aside that one guy started 65% of his faceoffs in the Ozone.
- ClaudeFather

Bergeron’s line is one of the best two way lines in hockey, Maybe even the best top line and hockey, so I most certainly hope so.

How much of last night Leafs/Bruins game did you watch? I watched all of it. On a Bruins icing call, the Bruins Blatantly tried to sneak Bergeron on the ice to take a defensive draw with the line that wasn’t his to take the faceoff. They failed but they’re also far from fearful to use Bergeron in any situation.

Bergeron’s line is one of the best two way lines in hockey, Maybe even the best top line and hockey, so I most certainly hope so.

How much of last night Leafs/Bruins game did you watch? I watched all of it. On a Bruins icing call, the Bruins Blatantly tried to sneak Bergeron on the ice to take a defensive draw with the line that wasn’t his to take the faceoff. They failed but they’re also far from fearful to use Bergeron in any situation.
- SuperSchennBros

Dude what are you even getting at? Like what is your point? Bergeron is a great player, Cooter isn't far behind him. Back to back 30 goal seasons and great defensive play, used in all situations.

Many of the NHL awards have bias and a players reputation as a big part of it. Pavel Datsyuk for a number of years was still winning Selke trophies and finishing high in the voting when he was no longer taking a lot of defensive zone shifts. Reputation has a lot to do with it. Doesn't mean he wasn't a really good defensive forward. Same with Bergeron. Bergeron is probably the best two way forward in the game of hockey.

Many of the NHL awards have bias and a players reputation as a big part of it. Pavel Datsyuk for a number of years was still winning Selke trophies and finishing high in the voting when he was no longer taking a lot of defensive zone shifts. Reputation has a lot to do with it. Doesn't mean he wasn't a really good defensive forward. Same with Bergeron. Bergeron is probably the best two way forward in the game of hockey.
- MJL

It's been a reputation award for quite a while now.

Dude what are you even getting at? Like what is your point? Bergeron is a great player, Cooter isn't far behind him. Back to back 30 goal seasons and great defensive play, used in all situations.
- ClaudeFather

You are wrong..

The Flyers didnt take long enough deciding on him.
Doesnt matter that many good coaches haven't won a cup, AV hasnt.
He isnt Quenneville regardless of if he wasnt actually available.
The Flyers hired him.

Signed Team Negative.
- opeth_pa

You do realize when I said it seemed rushed, that I wasn't bashing Vigneault. You can interview him, interview others, and if no one was as impressive as the first go back to that person and hire him.

Like how you clump that in as "negative ".

No it isn’t.

In transition, that one player who manages to sneak on to the ice to replace a tired player can still be directly responsible for a goal against.
- SuperSchennBros

Or he can can sneak on the ice when the Flyers score. It's a 2way street.

You do realize when I said it seemed rushed, that I wasn't bashing Vigneault. You can interview him, interview others, and if no one was as impressive as the first go back to that person and hire him.

Like how you clump that in as "negative ".
- Pelle31Forever

And what if he interviews elsewhere in the meantime and takes a job and we don't find someone better? If you interview a candidate and feel confident in them you pull the trigger. A guy like AV is not a guy who was going to be on the market for long. Look at Buffalo, they missed on a couple guys and now are scrambling.

You do realize when I said it seemed rushed, that I wasn't bashing Vigneault. You can interview him, interview others, and if no one was as impressive as the first go back to that person and hire him.

Like how you clump that in as "negative ".
- Pelle31Forever

Personally, I didn’t criticize AV either. Not feeling optimism off the bat should not be described as being negative. Wanting something to work out but being cautious at the same time is more descriptive. No fake feelings here.

Many of the NHL awards have bias and a players reputation as a big part of it. Pavel Datsyuk for a number of years was still winning Selke trophies and finishing high in the voting when he was no longer taking a lot of defensive zone shifts. Reputation has a lot to do with it. Doesn't mean he wasn't a really good defensive forward. Same with Bergeron. Bergeron is probably the best two way forward in the game of hockey.
- MJL

It's weird that no Swede has ever won the award.

You do realize when I said it seemed rushed, that I wasn't bashing Vigneault. You can interview him, interview others, and if no one was as impressive as the first go back to that person and hire him.

Like how you clump that in as "negative ".
- Pelle31Forever

I dont see a reason to do that if he is the choice you feel is right...

I also wasnt so much lumping that into negative its just Flyersbuzz has been too peaceful for the past hours and I wanted to change that.

It's weird that no Swede has ever won the award.
- Tomahawk

Has Nic Backstrom ever been a finalist?

Has Nic Backstrom ever been a finalist?
- ClaudeFather

7th in voting is the highest he's ever gotten.

I'm more suprised that guys like Alfredsson, Zetterberg, and Forsberg never won it.

7th in voting is the highest he's ever gotten.

I'm more suprised that guys like Alfredsson, Zetterberg, Salming, and Forsberg never won it.
- Tomahawk

Forsberg for sure, he was a great pickpocket guy. That is an odd stat.

And what if he interviews elsewhere in the meantime and takes a job and we don't find someone better? If you interview a candidate and feel confident in them you pull the trigger. A guy like AV is not a guy who was going to be on the market for long. Look at Buffalo, they missed on a couple guys and now are scrambling.
- ClaudeFather

You make a good point. My main focus was to get across I'm not against him. After reading Bill's article after the hire, it seemed as if Fletcher had his eye on Vigneault for awhile. He got his guy. I'm good with. It was just initially my thought was "wow that was quick " half a week into the postseason.

It's weird that no Swede has ever won the award.
- Tomahawk

They're all the same!

I dont see a reason to do that if he is the choice you feel is right...

I also wasnt so much lumping that into negative its just Flyersbuzz has been too peaceful for the past hours and I wanted to change that.
- opeth_pa

Hahahahaha it's all good. Gotta keep people on their toes.

You do realize when I said it seemed rushed, that I wasn't bashing Vigneault. You can interview him, interview others, and if no one was as impressive as the first go back to that person and hire him.

Like how you clump that in as "negative ".
- Pelle31Forever

That person could be hired by someone else in that time.

7th in voting is the highest he's ever gotten.

I'm more suprised that guys like Alfredsson, Zetterberg, and Forsberg never won it.
- Tomahawk

Zetterberg was a finalist a number of times I believe. He was in the shadow of Datsyuk.

A list of positive points regarding his hiring from Alain Vigneault’s press conference today.

- Track record/Experience
- Fresh slate for players
- Likeminded in working with GM Fletcher
- Good communicator
- Up-tempo, hardworking, puck possession style
- Believes in current players skill and likes organizational youth/vet mix
- Believes in player accountability
- Understands the bottom line is we need to win the cup and then remain competitive

Zetterberg was a finalist a number of times I believe. He was in the shadow of Datsyuk.
- MJL

Yeah, the two times that Zetterberg finished in the top-5, Pavel ended up winning it.

Forsberg 's closest was 2nd. Alfredsson 4th. PJ Axelsson was another Swede who was really freakin' good defensively, but didn't put up enough points to get serious consideration.

Yeah, the two times that Zetterberg finished in the top-5, Pavel ended up winning it.

Forsberg 's closest was 2nd. Alfredsson 4th. PJ Axelsson was another Swede who was really freakin' good defensively, but didn't put up enough points to get serious consideration.
- Tomahawk

That whole "points thing" annoys me. The award is for the best defensive forward. Similar to to way the Norris goes to the d man that gets the most points. It's also not uncommon for the Hart to go to the Art Ross winner more often then not. Or at least top 10 in scoring. Looking at you Taylor Hall you (frank)ing thief. Carey Price not withstanding, guess when you will your team to the playoffs you can win the Hart as a goalie.

Have we traded for Malkin or Stamkos yet?

That whole "points thing" annoys me. The award is for the best defensive forward. Similar to to way the Norris goes to the d man that gets the most points. It's also not uncommon for the Hart to go to the Art Ross winner more often then not. Or at least top 10 in scoring. Looking at you Taylor Hall you (frank)ing thief. Carey Price not withstanding, guess when you will your team to the playoffs you can win the Hart as a goalie.
- jaws1955

To be fair the way the criteria is worded for the Norris trophy, Offensive is a big part of it. However for the Selke, points shouldn't have anything to do with it but you don't have a shot realistically if you're not at least a decent offensive player.

AV would not have been my first choice. The biggest thing is he and Fletcher seem to be on the same page. The players will know that it's my way or the highway. They need the urgency right out of the gate. It's hard to maintain that work ethic for 60 minutes over 82 games. Guys will coast if they can. Being strong on the puck, along the boards and in the corners as well as net front is hard painful work.