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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 18 @ 10:51 PM ET
Not at all saying this is a move we should make but I would consider moving on from Hägg if to meant signing Tyler Myers. He’s a really, really good skater for a giant.

I think Provorov and Tyler Myers would be an interesting top pair. For everything we expect from Provorov, the kid needs a steady partner.
SuperSchennBros
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Apr 18 @ 10:54 PM ET
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SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Apr 18 @ 11:06 PM ET
Blues shock jets
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Apr 18 @ 11:16 PM ET
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- SuperSchennBros

#BecauseFlyers
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Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 18 @ 11:23 PM ET
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- SuperSchennBros


Had a dominant 3rd period....couldn’t help but think how many super stars are crapppping the bed in these playoffs.
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Apr 19 @ 12:18 AM ET
Wow, anyone ever hear of these songs before?
https://deadspin.com/yank...america-re-1834148314/amp
Probably will be protests at WFC demanding the removal of her statue soon...
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 7:33 AM ET
Wow, anyone ever hear of these songs before?
https://deadspin.com/yank...america-re-1834148314/amp
Probably will be protests at WFC demanding the removal of her statue soon...

- Ratsreign

The fact someone decided she needed a statue in the first place is kind of ridiculous in itself.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 19 @ 7:50 AM ET
Agreed. For me, the core’s time is up. I’m trading Voracek in order to switch up the player mix.

They’ve already had enough chances and been through enough coaches.

- StepfordSam


I'm ok with trading Voracek as long as the return is right. He makes a big number, so you are probably taking contracts back, which could be ok, depending on the players you get back. Voracek's absence creates a hole in the lineup that maybe can be filled from within or from the return you get in dealing him.

Insofar as "the core" is concerned, I really don't much know who would be left now that Simmonds is gone and Voracek might be the block. Giroux is untradeable (NMC) and he doesn't want to leave, so that's not happening.

Is AMac part of "the core"? Is Ghost part of "the core"? Ghost is, I guess, but I think you maybe don't want to trade Ghost at this time, because you'd be trading him after an off year.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 19 @ 7:52 AM ET
The fact someone decided she needed a statue in the first place is kind of ridiculous in itself.
- hereticpride


It is.

I hope the Flyers do the right thing here and take it down.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 19 @ 8:14 AM ET
Looks like Stevie Y is the new GM of the Red Wings.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 19 @ 8:16 AM ET
Wow, anyone ever hear of these songs before?
https://deadspin.com/yank...america-re-1834148314/amp
Probably will be protests at WFC demanding the removal of her statue soon...

- Ratsreign



So silly
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 19 @ 8:33 AM ET
Not at all saying this is a move we should make but I would consider moving on from Hägg if to meant signing Tyler Myers. He’s a really, really good skater for a giant.

I think Provorov and Tyler Myers would be an interesting top pair. For everything we expect from Provorov, the kid needs a steady partner.

- SuperSchennBros

depends on the cost. Wouldn't want to give him a big term. Good chance he gets overpaid.
EducatedOpinion
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 10.11.2013

Apr 19 @ 8:37 AM ET
So silly
- MBFlyerfan

Absolutely racist, but I don't understand what the point would be in protesting an inanimate statue. We've all done bad stuff we end up regretting later. I obviously don't know Kate and can't say what her thinking was, but there's always a chance she regretted this later in life.

However, agree with other posters. Not sure why a statue was created to begin with.

Edit: didn't mean to quote you MB
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 19 @ 8:43 AM ET
Absolutely racist, but I don't understand what the point would be in protesting an inanimate statue. We've all done bad stuff we end up regretting later. I obviously don't know Kate and can't say what her thinking was, but there's always a chance she regretted this later in life.

However, agree with other posters. Not sure why a statue was created to begin with.

Edit: didn't mean to quote you MB

- EducatedOpinion


That song is as racist as it gets and it's indefensible. I'm happy to pretend she's sorry. That's fine with me.

It doesn't mean she needs a (frank)ing statue. Take it down.
daryl stanley
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.12.2019

Apr 19 @ 8:46 AM ET
luv Kate Smith
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 19 @ 8:48 AM ET
So silly
- MBFlyerfan


How did it take this long to find out about these songs?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 19 @ 9:43 AM ET
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- SuperSchennBros


They reviewed that goal and under further review the goal was awarded to Jori Lehtera.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:47 AM ET
They reviewed that goal and under further review the goal was awarded to Jori Lehtera.
- PLindbergh31



Perhaps they can replace Kate Smith's statue with a Lehtera one now.
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:49 AM ET
It is.

I hope the Flyers do the right thing here and take it down.

- johndewar



https://www.nj.com/flyers...ection-to-kate-smith.html
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Apr 19 @ 9:52 AM ET
There was a time that I called Couturier "Stone Hands" and didn't think he would be much higher then a 2nd-3rd line center. And I was ok with this just because of his defensive ability. Now that he is more of a 1st-2nd line player that can pot 25-35 goals a year I'm very happy.

Is Couts as valuable as Giroux? In his way, of course. But they really shouldn't be compared.

- youarewrong

The realest statement I've read all day.
Coots IS a guy who you win a cup with. He is a necessary part.
Comparing him and Giroux is apples and oranges but they are both necessary
I am hoping AV comes in and organizes this cluster and has these guys working to full efficiency. If AV makes that happen we are already a play off team. Add a few more pieces and I'm very confident in this group
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:54 AM ET
https://www.nj.com/flyers/2019/04/flyers-follow-yankees-lead-erase-all-connection-to-kate-smith.html
- hockeylover

A sad way for me to be glad to never have to hear that beat to (frank)ing death God Bless America rendition ever again
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 10:00 AM ET
Need to cover up Jefferson too on mt Rushmore. He will go down as a racist slave owner.
EducatedOpinion
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 10.11.2013

Apr 19 @ 10:02 AM ET
That song is as racist as it gets and it's indefensible. I'm happy to pretend she's sorry. That's fine with me.

It doesn't mean she needs a (frank)ing statue. Take it down.

- johndewar

Just to be clear, I was in no way defending this song and have no issue with the org cutting all ties. More speaking to the constant state of outrage people seem to be in.

On to hockey. And to change up some of the discussion in here. Assuming we don't bring back Talbot, who else is out there to potentially back up Hart?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 10:06 AM ET
Absolutely racist, but I don't understand what the point would be in protesting an inanimate statue. We've all done bad stuff we end up regretting later. I obviously don't know Kate and can't say what her thinking was, but there's always a chance she regretted this later in life.

However, agree with other posters. Not sure why a statue was created to begin with.

Edit: didn't mean to quote you MB

- EducatedOpinion



Well it made more sense than a Rocky statue. Practically anything would
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 19 @ 10:19 AM ET
How did it take this long to find out about these songs?
- mickel25


Because most people understand it was a different time and posthumously attacking people for being a racist when they are unable to defend themselves is cowardly, wrong, and is an attempt to rewrite history like 1984.

She never needed a statue, Ill agree there, but taking it down and tarnishing her memory is cheap politics and virtue signalling.

And Ill let you in on a little secret. EVERYBODY knew about these songs. At the time they weren't really considered racist.

Its good that we live in a different time with different feelings towards it, but to whitewash history and ban things because of something that happened before most of us was born is no different than banning Little House on The Prairie or Tom Sawyer because people got butthurt over their accurate portrayals of the language of the time THEY WERE WRITTEN.

To be honest I wanted them to stop the Kate Smith stuff long ago because I felt like it ran its course. But to do it NOW because of some BS 50-60 year old racism charge is nonsense.


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