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hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Apr 18 @ 1:50 PM ET
Is this really a thing?

If it is, I am not sure how I feel about it.

Lindy is royalty in Buffalo (not sure why other than him being here forever)

He does have that no nonsense type approach (Torts like) and he clearly has passion.

If he can open up the game for the forwards and fix the defense then I am all for it. Actually I am all for whoever can do that as coach.

As it was said by another poster...JUST GET IT RIGHT

- Stripes77


I think we all have to remember that Lindy's style of play was geared to what we had with players.. When he first got to Buffalo, we had Hasek a pretty strong D, and weaker forwards. So he leaned on his goalie and D, Hoped for 2-3 goals a game and most nights that was a win and he rode that to the SCF.

Then came the Bankruptcy years. I give him a complete pass on those years. We were being run buy the league and did not have the same money all the other teams had.

Then coming out of the lockout we had the horses to run and he let them. Again ECF, not getting over the hump is really not on him more on Darcy for not adding the right players at the TDL.

Then came the tank years and he was gone.....

So all this really means is that at the end of the day, Lindy has shown the ability to change with his players and overall I would not mind him back at all....
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Apr 18 @ 1:50 PM ET
he found a home...like kane...like o'reilly...and they've become the players they were traded for
- Michael Pachla

I don’t think anyone ever argued they weren’t good hockey players (except Lehner)

It was the timing of acquiring them and the assets paid/given up at the very start of a rebuild.

It also just doesn’t matter to me if they each had 100 point years. We have a three year sample of them here, and it wasn’t great.

Kane and O’Reilly are at the peak at this point. Both have played since 18/19 and have 700+ games under their belt. In two years we will be talking about our young core while St. Louis and San Jose are trying to get out of those contracts
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 18 @ 1:51 PM ET
If you want a veteran coach, they've all been fired....usually multiple times and for good reason. It's easy to poke holes in any of them.
Whatnot78
Buffalo Sabres
Location: last place heros, VA
Joined: 02.21.2007

Apr 18 @ 1:52 PM ET
Idk, i can't see past his beard. That man could coach in gorilla suit, and all people would say is, "that beard. He is a leader of men"
- jcragcrumple


Your dog still gets the edge...

https://nypost.com/2019/0...germs-than-dog-fur-study/
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Apr 18 @ 1:52 PM ET
If you want a veteran coach, they've all been fired....usually multiple times and for good reason. It's easy to poke holes in any of them.
- Lunaion


your not wrong.... Every coach will look bad if you have a poopity roster....
notalent
Buffalo Sabres
Location: lake placid, NY
Joined: 02.26.2011

Apr 18 @ 1:59 PM ET
Tim Murray gets thrown under the bus for his forced rebuild, and it does warrant criticism but if he doesn't "speed up the process" by paying market value for those vets, the Sabres are way worse than they actually were under Bylsma.

Giving a GM a short leash of 2 years is forcing the GM to make those moves, when we should have been giving Murray and now Botts a flat 5 years to turn the ship. The owners just got to choose there guy, recognize the situation they're in and realize it's going to take that amount of time.

Murray was supposed to tank and then somehow turn this team into a winner in 2 years as evidenced by how he was fired.

Now the pressure is on Botts to do make some more potentially stupid moves to save his own ar$3.

Rant. Over.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 18 @ 2:00 PM ET
Why bother firing Housley just to to bring in a rookie coach or an AHL coach? makes no sense, just keep Housley. I've read about those types of coaches being available but why bother with them? just let Houlsey continue to try and right the ship.
- SABRES 89


Plenty of rookie coaches have success. Just because Housley did not, does not mean that any inexperienced coach out there is less likely to succeed. They are the same entities with or without Housley's failures.

Furthermore, from what I've read the actual success rates for retreads vs rookies fluctuates, but is very similar.

Therefore, by passing on every inexperienced coach simply for that fact only lessens your options, it doesn't make your chance of success any better.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 18 @ 2:01 PM ET
Sure OK. McLellan stinks I get it.
- SABRES 89


I'm not saying mclellan stinks, although I admittedly don't care for him very much.

But what do we really know about him?

He led a lot of really good SJS teams to early playoff exits, and went 1/3 with the Oilers.

How is that any more of a sure thing than Gronborg?
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Apr 18 @ 2:01 PM ET

None of the "experienced" coaches available seem very desirable. Even Q was a rookie, unproven coach once. Maybe a rookie head coach who has worked with a proven winner such as Trotz is the way to go?
From EF's 31 thoughts (4/10)
13. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Lane Lambert get some traction whenever the Islanders are done. He won a Stanley Cup in Washington, then went to Long Island with Barry Trotz and they had a great year. Edged out by Jared Bednar for the Colorado job after Patrick Roy left. Might be his time.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Apr 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
Tim Murray gets thrown under the bus for his forced rebuild, and it does warrant criticism but if he doesn't "speed up the process" by paying market value for those vets, the Sabres are way worse than they actually were under Bylsma.

Giving a GM a short leash of 2 years is forcing the GM to make those moves, when we should have been giving Murray and now Botts a flat 5 years to turn the ship. The owners just got to choose there guy, recognize the situation they're in and realize it's going to take that amount of time.

Murray was supposed to tank and then somehow turn this team into a winner in 2 years as evidenced by how he was fired.

Now the pressure is on Botts to do make some more potentially stupid moves to save his own ar$3.

Rant. Over.

- notalent



Raw deal
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 18 @ 2:12 PM ET
I think we all have to remember that Lindy's style of play was geared to what we had with players.. When he first got to Buffalo, we had Hasek a pretty strong D, and weaker forwards. So he leaned on his goalie and D, Hoped for 2-3 goals a game and most nights that was a win and he rode that to the SCF.

Then came the Bankruptcy years. I give him a complete pass on those years. We were being run buy the league and did not have the same money all the other teams had.

Then coming out of the lockout we had the horses to run and he let them. Again ECF, not getting over the hump is really not on him more on Darcy for not adding the right players at the TDL.

Then came the tank years and he was gone.....

So all this really means is that at the end of the day, Lindy has shown the ability to change with his players and overall I would not mind him back at all....

- hehateme


I agree with the bolded

But does it make sense to bring him back?


89mogo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lebanon, PA
Joined: 12.12.2008

Apr 18 @ 2:13 PM ET
As far as coaching goes, I will throw 2 names out there. 1) Dave Tippett. He is a great coach. If they can pull him away from Seattle, that would be great. 2) Bob Hartley. Has been having success over in Russia, experienced coach, would be interested in coming back to NHL.
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Apr 18 @ 2:14 PM ET
I agree with the bolded

But does it make sense to bring him back?

- Stripes77

From what I can see, it doesn’t make sense to even have a head coach. Everyone sucks.
sabreadvocate1
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ON
Joined: 12.12.2006

Apr 18 @ 2:14 PM ET
I'm happy for Lehner, but his addiction does not absolve him of his role in the debacle. I was a huge supporter of his through his first two years. I could see the potential, but his behavior played a major role in the under-performing Sabres. The fact that throughout this season he kept making comments about the "negative environment" really pissed me off. With all due respect, he was hungover every game (by his own admission), and generally sucked ass his last year here.

And Tim Murray absolutely deserves blame for acquiring him for 1st round pick. Surely he knew him from Ottawa, and Brian wouldn't have pulled the wool over his eyes as to his behavior. He hitched his wagon to that guy.

Robin should have gotten his poop together. He didn't until it was too late for us. So good for him, but also, his unprofessional behavior cost us quite a bit.

So I'm not ready to make an excuse for the guy. He's good at doing that for himself

- jcragcrumple


This.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:15 PM ET
Your assumption is that rookie coaches suck, which seems to be based on Housley sucking.

Just because Housley sucked, doesn't mean Gronborg would.

- jcragcrumple



While I would prefer an experienced NHL coach, I agree with this.

There is nothing to suggest that a rookie NHL coach would or wouldn't flop
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:18 PM ET
Michael Pachla: Of the coaching search, Ryan, O'Reilly and ROR
- Michael Pachla

Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:19 PM ET
If you want a veteran coach, they've all been fired....usually multiple times and for good reason. It's easy to poke holes in any of them.
- Lunaion



This is a valid point, too.

Botts is going to hire who he hires. We're not all going to agree on it.

Hopefully he gives the new guy more horses than he gave Phyllis. That'll be a huge key to the new guy's (or gal! Maybe Botts hires a gal! 😂😍) success.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Apr 18 @ 2:21 PM ET
Patches O'Houlihan should be head coach

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Apr 18 @ 2:24 PM ET
Patches O'Houlihan should be head coach
- jochfr



If you can dodge a wrench you can score a goal?
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 18 @ 2:25 PM ET
Patches O'Houlihan should be head coach
- jochfr


I would suggest Chubbs Peterson, but he died
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Apr 18 @ 2:26 PM ET
I would suggest Chubbs Peterson, but he died
- jcragcrumple

Patches is dead too... But he is more lively than Phil Housely
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Apr 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
If you can dodge a wrench you can score a goal?
- Stripes77

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:28 PM ET
I would suggest Chubbs Peterson, but he died
- jcragcrumple


(frank) that, Lou Brown WOULD win here.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:30 PM ET
The Rangers defense has progressively gotten worse, and people want Ruff to run an entire team. ok
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Apr 18 @ 2:41 PM ET
The Rangers defense has progressively gotten worse, and people want Ruff to run an entire team. ok
- TheSabresTaco



They do?

Who said they wanted Ruff?
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