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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Impressions of, and questions concerning--LW, Conor Sheary
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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:13 PM ET
Olfssons like 23 syrs old. He can learn more playing with Jack than he can in any other role
- Michael Pachla


Even if that’s true...
play him there after the deadline

Do u think playing him with Mitts for 55games is really gonna hurt his development?

I do not
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:15 PM ET
Sneaky fitz

Maybe the other gms notice sheary's #'s, but do not realize he's on John Jack's line

- Boss34


Sure
But they’ll still be more tempted to give up something decent for a guy that has 16goals than a guy who has half that...
regardless of who they’re playing with

And...
i don’t think it’ll hurt us at all to have Sheary with Jack,
as i don’t anticipate us being very good anyways
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 19 @ 3:17 PM ET
So... No coach yet?
- jochfr


All that's left is BUMS and PUTZES

So who do you want, a bum or a putz?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:17 PM ET
If they're not planning on trying for the playoffs, this probably would maximize the return you could get for CS.
- PrinceChill


Exactly

And even if we did think we had a shot at the playoffs...
I don’t think Olofsson’s numbers would be significantly better than Sheary’s in that spot
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 19 @ 3:18 PM ET
Yup. Don't believe the hype
- Michael Pachla




mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Apr 19 @ 3:19 PM ET
Scoring 11 goals in these 3 games is going to get him some serious looks IMO.
- CoHo_to_B-Lo


There have been several forwards ahead of him in the mocks all year and I don't think that will change. His size will also scare off some teams. A few games will not make much of a difference imo.
dadeadhead
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I don't want to say Greztky was a dude when I was watching. Mentalorgasm5 , NY
Joined: 07.16.2006

Apr 19 @ 3:20 PM ET
There have been several forwards ahead of him in the mocks all year and I don't think that will change. His size will also scare off some teams. A few games will not make much of a difference imo.
- mhp



5-6 is small
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:20 PM ET
Olofsson is the exact opposite of rushed. CJ Smith as well. I'd move Sheary. He does nothing for me.
- Lunaion


Sure, he’s 23
But it’s still a leap from the AHL to Line1

I don’t see the harm in easing him into that role a bit
I’m not saying to play Olofsson on Line4 or anything
Play him with Mitts for 55games

Heck... maybe he’s the sniper that we need to play with Mitts to get him going?
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Apr 19 @ 3:22 PM ET
Sure, he’s 23
But it’s still a leap from the AHL to Line1

I don’t see the harm in easing him into that role a bit
I’m not saying to play Olofsson on Line4 or anything
Play him with Mitts for 55games

Heck... maybe he’s the sniper that we need to play with Mitts to get him going?

- jdfitz77



So he’s not ready to play with a vet but he’s ready to help another rookie perform better?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:22 PM ET
There have been several forwards ahead of him in the mocks all year and I don't think that will change. His size will also scare off some teams. A few games will not make much of a difference imo.
- mhp


Could bump him from late teens to early teens though
Or from mid teens to Top10

I think teams will see him differently
He’s the type of guy that you’d see rated anywhere from 6-ish to 20-ish if we saw all the teams draft boards
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:25 PM ET
So he’s not ready to play with a vet but he’s ready to help another rookie perform better?
- washedup20


1) didn’t say he’s “not ready” to play with a Vet
What i did say is that there’s no harm in NOT playing him with Jack right away

2) what’s to say a couple young kids can’t find chemistry?
I remember a very young Roy & Vanek playing very well together

***Vanek managed to still have a good career even though we didn’t put him with Briere or Drury right away
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
Location: PROUD MEMBER OF RED SOX NATION SINCE 1975!!!! , SD
Joined: 01.14.2008

Apr 19 @ 3:26 PM ET
5-6 is small
- dadeadhead


It is.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Apr 19 @ 3:28 PM ET
Sure, he’s 23
But it’s still a leap from the AHL to Line1

I don’t see the harm in easing him into that role a bit
I’m not saying to play Olofsson on Line4 or anything
Play him with Mitts for 55games

Heck... maybe he’s the sniper that we need to play with Mitts to get him going?

- jdfitz77


Lines change regularly, under all coaches. You take them way too seriously. Upping Sheary's trade value from less than a 4th to what? a 3rd? You want to play inferior lines for that? Take a deep breath. They need to win games next year and they have a seriously flawed group of LW's.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
Even if that’s true...
play him there after the deadline

Do u think playing him with Mitts for 55games is really gonna hurt his development?

I do not

- jdfitz77

What do you gain by doing it that way? Getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th? I'd like to see them ice the best lineup and try to win this year
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Apr 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
1) didn’t say he’s “not ready” to play with a Vet
What i did say is that there’s no harm in NOT playing him with Jack right away

2) what’s to say a couple young kids can’t find chemistry?
I remember a very young Roy & Vanek playing very well together

***Vanek managed to still have a good career even though we didn’t put him with Briere or Drury right away

- jdfitz77



So if:

John Jack = Roy

And:

If a young Roy played well with vanek

Then:

How would a young John Jack play with an old vanek?
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 19 @ 3:30 PM ET
I’m playing him with Jack no matter what
Even if he’s streaky, Sheary is still most likely to put up his most points with Jack
Let’s maximize his trade value

Even if Skinner is still here,
play both with Jack if we don’t want Skinner on Line2
Just move 1 to RW
They’ve both done it in the past

It’s not like we are gonna challenge for much next year (unless some drastic changes are made)

- jdfitz77


I get it, it maximizes TDL return. Just not sure Sheary is going to garner a lot no matter his point totals. 2nd rounder maybe if we're lucky and he overachieves???

Not sure that's enough juice to warrant a marked reduction in points vs playing Skinner/Olo and Samson.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Apr 19 @ 3:31 PM ET
So if:

John Jack = Roy

And:

If a young Roy played well with vanek

Then:

How would a young John Jack play with an old vanek?

- Boss34


What is "An Old Roy"????
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
Lines change regularly, under all coaches. You take them way too seriously. Upping Sheary's trade value from less than a 4th to what? a 3rd? You want to play inferior lines for that? Take a deep breath. They need to win games next year and they have a seriously flawed group of LW's.
- Lunaion


Olofsson (a rookie) with Jack makes that line SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER???

If that was the case, then i agree
But i don’t see Sheary with Jack as an “inferior line”
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 19 @ 3:32 PM ET
What do you gain by doing it that way? Getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th? I'd like to see them ice the best lineup and try to win this year
- Michael Pachla


Kind of incredible that we actually need to say things like this
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Apr 19 @ 3:33 PM ET
What is "An Old Roy"????
- RhinoFan


Whiskey and tomato juice, I believe
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:35 PM ET
What do you gain by doing it that way? Getting a 3rd rounder instead of a 4th? I'd like to see them ice the best lineup and try to win this year
- Michael Pachla


We aren’t gonna “win” this year if we are depending on EITHER to play on the top line

What are u guys expecting Olofsson’s stats would be with Jack vs what Sheary’s would be with Jack?
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Apr 19 @ 3:35 PM ET
1) didn’t say he’s “not ready” to play with a Vet
What i did say is that there’s no harm in NOT playing him with Jack right away

2) what’s to say a couple young kids can’t find chemistry?
I remember a very young Roy & Vanek playing very well together

***Vanek managed to still have a good career even though we didn’t put him with Briere or Drury right away

- jdfitz77



I regret this every time
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:38 PM ET
So if:

John Jack = Roy

And:

If a young Roy played well with vanek

Then:

How would a young John Jack play with an old vanek?

- Boss34


Seriously... we did this last offseason
Leave these old guys in the past

It doesn’t look like Botts is at all interested or Vanek would’ve gotten a call last year...
Don’t ya think?
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Apr 19 @ 3:40 PM ET
I get it, it maximizes TDL return. Just not sure Sheary is going to garner a lot no matter his point totals. 2nd rounder maybe if we're lucky and he overachieves???

Not sure that's enough juice to warrant a marked reduction in points vs playing Skinner/Olo and Samson.

- RhinoFan


That’s my point though
I don’t think there’s a big difference between what Olofsson would get vs what Sheary would get

And we need to play at least 1 of Skinner or Sam with Mitts imo
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Apr 19 @ 3:41 PM ET
Seriously... we did this last offseason
Leave these old guys in the past

It doesn’t look like Botts is at all interested or Vanek would’ve gotten a call last year...
Don’t ya think?

- jdfitz77



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