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bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 19 @ 8:56 PM ET
oh yea only one group can be racist
- 2Real


If you don’t have power over others you can’t be racist.



At least that’s what some people say. I don’t buy it but hey I’m not some lawyer on the DC Beltway.
Sublime55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.24.2012

Apr 19 @ 8:59 PM ET
apparently there's enough information for the yankees and flyers
- 2Real


These songs have been out there in the ether for decades....why now did these franchises make these decisions?
Blueraff3
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.21.2015

Apr 19 @ 8:59 PM ET
Agreed!

Don’t try to apply logic with the left, though. You will surely be disappointed with the results.

- Hokeeguy9

On the whole studies actually show that the left reacts more logically than the right on average. The right tends to react based on emotion more than the left.

Most people would consider me a lefty, but I don’t usually weigh in on things like this. Very few things are black and white. Just like this. A lot of us on the left stay out of crap like this because the conversation is more complex than those having it want to hear.

I think one of the biggest issues we have in this country is that the loudest people on both sides are the ones who can’t seem to understand the concept of a gray area.

Interesting story from history: Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. She is considered a major feminist icon. One of the main reasons she founded it was to discourage “inferior races” from reproducing.

People are complicated. Nobody is
just one thing.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:07 PM ET
On the whole studies actually show that the left reacts more logically than the right on average. The right tends to react based on emotion more than the left.

Most people would consider me a lefty, but I don’t usually weigh in on things like this. Very few things are black and white. Just like this. A lot of us on the left stay out of crap like this because the conversation is more complex than those having it want to hear.

I think one of the biggest issues we have in this country is that the loudest people on both sides are the ones who can’t seem to understand the concept of a gray area.

Interesting story from history: Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. She is considered a major feminist icon. One of the main reasons she founded it was to discourage “inferior races” from reproducing.

People are complicated. Nobody is
just one thing.

- Blueraff3


Studies by who? Liberals? Lefties are all about emotion. Don’t even get this started.
Reality says otherwise.
pucks4all
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.01.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:13 PM ET
I just love the song God Bless America ok? I am just upset that we will never be graced with hearing that song anymore. It was an awesome moment during pre-game. Now such a great song is linked to a singer that cant defend herself, and is from a much different generation, because it's all about business.. It just irks me.
- bmoreflyer

I agree 👍🏻
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 19 @ 9:13 PM ET
These songs have been out there in the ether for decades....why now did these franchises make these decisions?
- Sublime55

because people and times change she's no longer a standard that should be celebrated
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 19 @ 9:14 PM ET
On the whole studies actually show that the left reacts more logically than the right on average. The right tends to react based on emotion more than the left.

Most people would consider me a lefty, but I don’t usually weigh in on things like this. Very few things are black and white. Just like this. A lot of us on the left stay out of crap like this because the conversation is more complex than those having it want to hear.

I think one of the biggest issues we have in this country is that the loudest people on both sides are the ones who can’t seem to understand the concept of a gray area.

Interesting story from history: Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. She is considered a major feminist icon. One of the main reasons she founded it was to discourage “inferior races” from reproducing.

People are complicated. Nobody is
just one thing.

- Blueraff3

bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 19 @ 9:41 PM ET
On a hockey note I kind of liked hearing that Provy was still local and on the ice.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 19 @ 9:49 PM ET
On a hockey note I kind of liked hearing that Provy was still local and on the ice.
- bird_dog_pa


I don’t know I think maybe he could’ve used some time away after last season. Woof. Let’s hope that was some weird aberration
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Apr 19 @ 10:46 PM ET
On the whole studies actually show that the left reacts more logically than the right on average. The right tends to react based on emotion more than the left.

Most people would consider me a lefty, but I don’t usually weigh in on things like this. Very few things are black and white. Just like this. A lot of us on the left stay out of crap like this because the conversation is more complex than those having it want to hear.

I think one of the biggest issues we have in this country is that the loudest people on both sides are the ones who can’t seem to understand the concept of a gray area.

Interesting story from history: Margaret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. She is considered a major feminist icon. One of the main reasons she founded it was to discourage “inferior races” from reproducing.

People are complicated. Nobody is
just one thing.

- Blueraff3


People may not have noticed but I didn't post anything political. I consider myself to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. For example I'm not exclusively pro-life, I'm not anti gay marriage, I'm pro pot legalization. Etc.

What gets me is the SJWs that feel the need to push others down to help others up. Stop with the white male BS. Stop with the toxic masculinity. Stop with the white privilege. Just stop. When you start pushing people down is when you get pushed back. When you keep vilifying people they will tun into villains. When you tell someone how evil they are because they were born white... that's a problem. That is just as racist as a guy in a white hood.

You wanna tell me it's not racist because minority's don't have power? That's BS. When someone can make accusations of racism without proof or without context and people just believe it, that is power. When a president can avoid criticism by calling all opponents bigots, that is power. When a political party can call of a presidents supporters racist, faceist, and bigots with impunity and it's backed up in the news, that is power. So don't tell me minority's don't have power. Their hate speech is still hate speech but no one wants to call them on it.

The government really needs to step in with this crisis. Take all race, religion, and sex questions off all government documents. Everything is done online now. If people don't know your race or sex when looking at your resume then they can't be called racist for hiring you or not hiring you.

The first step in fixing this problem is by having the government say there is no difference between white and black people. We are all just people. Period.
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Apr 19 @ 10:52 PM ET
People may not have noticed but I didn't post anything political. I consider myself to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. For example I'm not exclusively pro-life, I'm not anti gay marriage, I'm pro pot legalization. Etc.

What gets me is the SJWs that feel the need to push others down to help others up. Stop with the white male BS. Stop with the toxic masculinity. Stop with the white privilege. Just stop. When you start pushing people down is when you get pushed back. When you keep vilifying people they will tun into villains. When you tell someone how evil they are because they were born white... that's a problem. That is just as racist as a guy in a white hood.

You wanna tell me it's not racist because minority's don't have power? That's BS. When someone can make accusations of racism without proof or without context and people just believe it, that is power. When a president can avoid criticism by calling all opponents bigots, that is power. When a political party can call of a presidents supporters racist, faceist, and bigots with impunity and it's backed up in the news, that is power. So don't tell me minority's don't have power. Their hate speech is still hate speech but no one wants to call them on it.

The government really needs to step in with this crisis. Take all race, religion, and sex questions off all government documents. Everything is done online now. If people don't know your race or sex when looking at your resume then they can't be called racist for hiring you or not hiring you.

The first step in fixing this problem is by having the government say there is no difference between white and black people. We are all just people. Period.

- youarewrong

It's rather ironic that many of those railing the most against racism and fascism are too often the ones behaving in the most racist and fascist manner...
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Apr 19 @ 11:17 PM ET
Is rather not watch mainstream media, if you couldn’t tell they currently have lost all credibility for their recent hoax
- Richieattack18

You sound like you are awake to the bs and tha agenda unfolding. MSM has lost all credibility. This whole political thing is a dog and pony show
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Apr 19 @ 11:20 PM ET
On a hockey note I kind of liked hearing that Provy was still local and on the ice.
- bird_dog_pa

He has leader written all over him. He cried after they were eliminated. He had a down year so he I'd already training for the next one. Absolutely a leader and a warrior.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 20 @ 12:48 AM ET
Top seeds eliminated with a combined 1 win. That cannot have ever happened before
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Apr 20 @ 6:08 AM ET
Flames have to be disappointed, another team will be looking for answers this off-season
DaveofYork
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: york, PA
Joined: 10.27.2014

Apr 20 @ 7:51 AM ET
Flames have to be disappointed, another team will be looking for answers this off-season
- wcorvette

Kinda gives us hope
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Apr 20 @ 8:11 AM ET
This thread is the perfect example of why the nhl had to create the everyone can play program.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 20 @ 9:00 AM ET
People may not have noticed but I didn't post anything political. I consider myself to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. For example I'm not exclusively pro-life, I'm not anti gay marriage, I'm pro pot legalization. Etc.

What gets me is the SJWs that feel the need to push others down to help others up. Stop with the white male BS. Stop with the toxic masculinity. Stop with the white privilege. Just stop. When you start pushing people down is when you get pushed back. When you keep vilifying people they will tun into villains. When you tell someone how evil they are because they were born white... that's a problem. That is just as racist as a guy in a white hood.

You wanna tell me it's not racist because minority's don't have power? That's BS. When someone can make accusations of racism without proof or without context and people just believe it, that is power. When a president can avoid criticism by calling all opponents bigots, that is power. When a political party can call of a presidents supporters racist, faceist, and bigots with impunity and it's backed up in the news, that is power. So don't tell me minority's don't have power. Their hate speech is still hate speech but no one wants to call them on it.

The government really needs to step in with this crisis. Take all race, religion, and sex questions off all government documents. Everything is done online now. If people don't know your race or sex when looking at your resume then they can't be called racist for hiring you or not hiring you.

The first step in fixing this problem is by having the government say there is no difference between white and black people. We are all just people. Period.

- youarewrong



What I don’t understand is why so many people have so much faith in the federal government when they have proved time and time again that they are corrupt and self serving.
People willingly vote for politicians who will steal from one citizen through taxes, fees etc and give to another citizen.
The federal govt does not have a blind legal system.
The judicial system is out of control. The bureaucracy is a disease and bloated mandated to do things never intended to be done.
Of course I’m considered far right extreme wacko because I want the law to be followed ie the constitution.
Government should be run at the local level as much as possible meaning State, county, township should have the most input on governance. These people are held the most accountable when they over reach.

Gay marriage- take it out of the governments hands except for justice of the peace and general record keeping.
Immigration- I would close down immigration now until who is here gets assimilated. I would give people 6 months to apply for citizenship if here illegally and if not your deported.
Healthcare- get the government out of it. If your actually unable to care for yourself the states can provide a program. The veterans should be able to pick the care they want privately and the government pays for it. No cosmetic surgeries etc.
Environment- only responsible for federal lands the states take care of themselves.
In case of disasters setup a state insurance plan but get an amendment for it. Yeah right.
2nd amendment- shall not be infringed what’s not to get. Appeal or amend the 2nd amendment if it’s that important.
1st amendment- in regards to religion there is no such thing as separation of church and state. A cross or nativity scene on public property is not an endorsement and mandate of religion. One is not forced to participate. No reason Jewish or even Muslim displays to not be put up when called for.
Abortion is not women’s healthcare let’s stop with the facade. Let the states decide like intended.

As far as the Kate Smith thing goes the Flyers are a private organization and can do what they want. I may not agree with it. While the songs are pretty bad as an organization I put out a statement that the usage of Kate Smiths video is in no way an endorsement of those songs rather simply a version of God bless America to be used independently of any political narrative.
Wells Fargo has been fined for doing all kinds of lowlife things, drug money laundering, creating false accounts to cook the books to bump up the bottom line. Outright lying to customers.
Will Comcast run background checks on all artists using their venue? Will they not play certain rap songs during games?
This country is not a democracy it is a representative republic.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Apr 20 @ 9:01 AM ET
This thread is the perfect example of why the nhl had to create the everyone can play program.
- Shrike


I think the flyers have led through example about the kind of organization they are. Ed Snider did a awesome job bringing hockey to the inner city. I would love to see a kid come from that program and make it to the NHL.
sILKAsSINASALO
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2018

Apr 20 @ 9:16 AM ET
People may not have noticed but I didn't post anything political. I consider myself to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. For example I'm not exclusively pro-life, I'm not anti gay marriage, I'm pro pot legalization. Etc.

What gets me is the SJWs that feel the need to push others down to help others up. Stop with the white male BS. Stop with the toxic masculinity. Stop with the white privilege. Just stop. When you start pushing people down is when you get pushed back. When you keep vilifying people they will tun into villains. When you tell someone how evil they are because they were born white... that's a problem. That is just as racist as a guy in a white hood.

You wanna tell me it's not racist because minority's don't have power? That's BS. When someone can make accusations of racism without proof or without context and people just believe it, that is power. When a president can avoid criticism by calling all opponents bigots, that is power. When a political party can call of a presidents supporters racist, faceist, and bigots with impunity and it's backed up in the news, that is power. So don't tell me minority's don't have power. Their hate speech is still hate speech but no one wants to call them on it.

The government really needs to step in with this crisis. Take all race, religion, and sex questions off all government documents. Everything is done online now. If people don't know your race or sex when looking at your resume then they can't be called racist for hiring you or not hiring you.

The first step in fixing this problem is by having the government say there is no difference between white and black people. We are all just people. Period.

- youarewrong

I like what you said here but in the past the more the fact steps in the more problems it creates. Big govt is NOT the answer.
Race differences will always exist. It will not stop until people find something to unite over... like tearing down our current govt and letting the people escape the slavery we are under. I'm not q fan of over reaching govt or medical tyranny and as long as people stay divided fighting over skin color then we remain in this oppressive system fighting over race and religion and things that shouldnt matter. I'd rather us unite and fight taxation and medical tyranny. This whole statue thing is exactly why people remain racist because you said it perfectly...it gives them the feeling of power
You're a smart man. I like your hockey knowledge and after reading this comment it shows your intelligence elsewhere as well. Cheera
Shrike
Joined: 05.20.2016

Apr 20 @ 9:26 AM ET
What I don’t understand is why so many people have so much faith in the federal government when they have proved time and time again that they are corrupt and self serving.
People willingly vote for politicians who will steal from one citizen through taxes, fees etc and give to another citizen.
The federal govt does not have a blind legal system.
The judicial system is out of control. The bureaucracy is a disease and bloated mandated to do things never intended to be done.
Of course I’m considered far right extreme wacko because I want the law to be followed ie the constitution.
Government should be run at the local level as much as possible meaning State, county, township should have the most input on governance. These people are held the most accountable when they over reach.

Gay marriage- take it out of the governments hands except for justice of the peace and general record keeping.
Immigration- I would close down immigration now until who is here gets assimilated. I would give people 6 months to apply for citizenship if here illegally and if not your deported.
Healthcare- get the government out of it. If your actually unable to care for yourself the states can provide a program. The veterans should be able to pick the care they want privately and the government pays for it. No cosmetic surgeries etc.
Environment- only responsible for federal lands the states take care of themselves.
In case of disasters setup a state insurance plan but get an amendment for it. Yeah right.
2nd amendment- shall not be infringed what’s not to get. Appeal or amend the 2nd amendment if it’s that important.
1st amendment- in regards to religion there is no such thing as separation of church and state. A cross or nativity scene on public property is not an endorsement and mandate of religion. One is not forced to participate. No reason Jewish or even Muslim displays to not be put up when called for.
Abortion is not women’s healthcare let’s stop with the facade. Let the states decide like intended.

As far as the Kate Smith thing goes the Flyers are a private organization and can do what they want. I may not agree with it. While the songs are pretty bad as an organization I put out a statement that the usage of Kate Smiths video is in no way an endorsement of those songs rather simply a version of God bless America to be used independently of any political narrative.
Wells Fargo has been fined for doing all kinds of lowlife things, drug money laundering, creating false accounts to cook the books to bump up the bottom line. Outright lying to customers.
Will Comcast run background checks on all artists using their venue? Will they not play certain rap songs during games?
This country is not a democracy it is a representative republic.

- bird_dog_pa


Translation

“I’m not a conservative but everything I believe aligns perfectly with the conservative platform and you shouldn’t be able to believe what you believe because me and my ever shrinking minority say you are wrong.”
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 20 @ 9:31 AM ET
Everybody still triggered I see.

All this over a scary-looking statue in a frock, and a blurry video that we might see a half-dozen times (if we're lucky) in a decade.


- Tomahawk


I was hoping FEMA could setup some safe spaces near the covered up statue for these folks in time for the home opener.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 20 @ 9:37 AM ET
Flyers are a brand. Hate doesn't sell well. It ain't much more complicated than that.

Being upset over this is basically the most embarrassing thing I've seen on my years on this board, which is REALLY saying something.

- hereticpride


C'mon, don't you want to have the song "Pickaninny Heaven" whitesplained to you again?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 20 @ 9:53 AM ET
C'mon, don't you want to have the song "Pickaninny Heaven" whitesplained to you again?
- johndewar




Oh get your racist bullpoop out of here. And yes it is racist because you are judging peoples opinions based on the color of their skin. Its lazy and excuses you from having to think.

johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Apr 20 @ 10:03 AM ET
Oh get your racist bullpoop out of here. And yes it is racist because you are judging peoples opinions based on the color of their skin. Its lazy and excuses you from having to think.
- MBFlyerfan


Accusations of reverse racism are my absolute favorite way to gauge how much a conservative needs a safe space.
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