Bad, bad, bad.
Vatanen is a great target for us, but isn’t a top pairing dman.
Zacha is a bust
- Rexypoo

Don't really know if Zacha is a bust. Reminds me of Dylan Strome and Elias Lindholm. Both players needed a change of scenery to get going. With NJ getting the first overall, I think it's going to get increasingly difficult for Zacha to break into NJ's top 6.

The Panthers might be a good fit for Trouba since he has a place in Fort Lauderdale. I'd love Trouba for Henrik Borgstrom, a 21 YO centre heading for the last year on his ELC and a conditional 1st/2nd rd pick if Trouba signs longterm. Maybe a package of players in exchange for Trouba's replacement from someplace else.
- dawgdayz

I like how you think

I was thinking NJ was a good trading partner for Trouba as well. I'd look at Severson and Wood for Trouba. Severson has term at an affordable hit and Wood could be a replacement for Tanev. Wood is faster, has better hands and is good on the pk.

We'd still need to go find a 2C but it would allow us to package wingers for something.
- mcjags

. Be nice if we can pry ty smith as part of the deal

Another potential Trouba trade I was thinking of is similar to what Calgary got for Hamilton last season.

To NJ: Jacob Trouba

To WPG: Pavel Zacha, Sami Vantanen
- TheUltimateJet

How about Brodie & Jankowski (3rd line centre solved) for Trouba?

How about Brodie & Jankowski (3rd line centre solved) for Trouba?
- Kevin R

How do the Flames afford Trouba? And where does that leave Andersson/Valimaki?

How about Brodie & Jankowski (3rd line centre solved) for Trouba?
- Kevin R

why do we need another 3rd line centre? Lowry, Copp, (and Little if a #1b or 2a option is added)

why do we need another 3rd line centre? Lowry, Copp, (and Little if a #1b or 2a option is added)
- 2.0

Why do you guys keep trading 1st round picks for rentals every year?

Don't really know if Zacha is a bust. Reminds me of Dylan Strome and Elias Lindholm. Both players needed a change of scenery to get going. With NJ getting the first overall, I think it's going to get increasingly difficult for Zacha to break into NJ's top 6.
- TheUltimateJet

Weak underlying numbers. It’s also worth noting that Lindholm is massively lucky this season. He won’t do that again

How do the Flames afford Trouba? And where does that leave Andersson/Valimaki?
- Ol_Boy_Wop

We have room to get him signed & there are trades that can be made. Andersson & Valamaki are still in our top 6.

Why do you guys keep trading 1st round picks for rentals every year?
- Kevin R

Our GM has no balls

Why do you guys keep trading 1st round picks for rentals every year?
- Kevin R

Because we can without hurting the team. The cupboard is full and the picks are late first. The only part that stings in two years is losing Lemieux. We got good value from stasny and Hayes was ok

Because we can without hurting the team. The cupboard is full and the picks are late first. The only part that stings in two years is losing Lemieux. We got good value from stasny and Hayes was ok
- 2.0

You are contradicting yourself 2.0. You dismiss the value of the Jets first round picks we traded, and at the same time say the cupboard is full, which they are, of late first round picks and later.

How about Brodie & Jankowski (3rd line centre solved) for Trouba?
- Kevin R

Hey... we saw Brodie vs. the Avs... don't be like that...

Personally love Jankowski, but Lowry is better. We need a #2 Centre, not a #3... Little is cool, but he's lost a step.

You are contradicting yourself 2.0. You dismiss the value of the Jets first round picks we traded, and at the same time say the cupboard is full, which they are, of late first round picks and later.
- BWJumper

no contradiction - there are plenty of prospects in the jets system that are equal or better than what we expect a late round 1st or later pick to become. Adding another to the mix is unlikely to be a big add. If the jets were giving up top 10 first round picks for rentals it would be more problematic in the long term.

I suspect we will get a high pick or 2 back through trades this summer or next, though a prospect further along or roster players are preferred.

Why do you guys keep trading 1st round picks for rentals every year?
- Kevin R

Easy because our GM is reactive and not proactive.

In hindsight, I bet if our GM had just said last season that he was trading Eric Foley, Brendan Lemieux and two first round picks, we probably could have gotten a permanent solution at center. Rather, we got a few games out of Stastny and Hayes.

The Jets could have acquired O'Reilly for Little, Lowry, 2020 1st round pick and Brendan Lemieux.

Easy because our GM is reactive and not proactive.

In hindsight, I bet if our GM had just said last season that he was trading Eric Foley, Brendan Lemieux and two first round picks, we probably could have gotten a permanent solution at center. Rather, we got a few games out of Stastny and Hayes.

The Jets could have acquired O'Reilly for Little, Lowry, 2020 1st round pick and Brendan Lemieux.
- TheUltimateJet

stop looking behind you, lets look forward now pal, cant change the past

Easy because our GM is reactive and not proactive.

In hindsight, I bet if our GM had just said last season that he was trading Eric Foley, Brendan Lemieux and two first round picks, we probably could have gotten a permanent solution at center. Rather, we got a few games out of Stastny and Hayes.

The Jets could have acquired O'Reilly for Little, Lowry, 2020 1st round pick and Brendan Lemieux.
- TheUltimateJet

Well, this is an angle I hadn’t considered. We win round 1 with O’Rielly

Well, this is an angle I hadn’t considered. We win round 1 with O’Rielly
- Rexypoo

If you really think about it, St. Louis got O’Reilly for Sobotka, Berglund, a 2019 first rounder and Tage Thompson.

Little is better than Sobotka
Lowry is better than Berglund
The first round picks would have been the same
Brendan Lemieux is similar to Tage Thompson

Salaries would not have mattered especially with the Jets trading away Mason.

Just saying and I know that hindsight is 20/20.

Well, this is an angle I hadn’t considered. We win round 1 with O’Rielly
- Rexypoo

I will agree about O'Reilly and I think the Jets had interest in him at one time.

St Louis scored big time with him. 4 more years at 7.5 mill, 28 yo, he is a heck of a replacement for Statsny.

The Jets have a 5v5 scoring problems. Personally I would rather the coach was replaced and see if it can be fixed internally, but because that won't happen, the Jets should do what Ultimate says and be bold and get a legit scorer.

If you really think about it, St. Louis got O’Reilly for Sobotka, Berglund, a 2019 first rounder and Tage Thompson.

Little is better than Sobotka
Lowry is better than Berglund
The first round picks would have been the same
Brendan Lemieux is similar to Tage Thompson

Salaries would not have mattered especially with the Jets trading away Mason.

Just saying and I know that hindsight is 20/20.
- TheUltimateJet

The real tragedy was signing Little to a contract a year away from free agency. If they waited to the summer they could have offered 7 to Stastny to stay instead.

The Jets have a 5v5 scoring problems. Personally I would rather the coach was replaced and see if it can be fixed internally, but because that won't happen, the Jets should do what Ultimate says and be bold and get a legit scorer.
- BWJumper

A legit scorer could be Dylan Larkin. Wonder if the Wings would do Larkin for Trouba and Roslovic?

Easy because our GM is reactive and not proactive.

In hindsight, I bet if our GM had just said last season that he was trading Eric Foley, Brendan Lemieux and two first round picks, we probably could have gotten a permanent solution at center. Rather, we got a few games out of Stastny and Hayes.

The Jets could have acquired O'Reilly for Little, Lowry, 2020 1st round pick and Brendan Lemieux.
- TheUltimateJet

This is a great long term view of the situation and really it’s the course of a year. Great freaking take!

Easy because our GM is reactive and not proactive.

It's hindsight but I bet if our GM had just said last season that he was trading Eric Foley, Brendan Lemieux and two first round picks, we probably could have gotten a permanent solution at center. Rather, we got a few games out of Stastny and Hayes.

The Jets could have acquired O'Reilly for Little, Lowry, 2020 1st round pick and Brendan Lemieux.
- TheUltimateJet

as you said it's all hindsight, and it's shortsighted hindsight.

That is a proposal for a player that failed to deliver in Colorado and Buffalo - he seems to have found a fit with the Blues. The scenario for the Colorado/Buffalo ROR (a 60 point player) is an overpayment. Little is a 50 point player for millions less, Lowry is a strong role player with some upside, 2020 pick has about a 35% chance of becoming a full time NHLer, Lemieux has an upside as a role player also.

For what it's worth ROR outscored Little by two points in the series and was a minus player, Little was a plus player.

Why undervalue our assets and covet every other solid player in the league? There is a fit in Wpg with Little and Lowry, ROR is an unknown. There are many more obvious players in the Wpg lineup that are more tradeable assets such as Trouba, Kulikov, Winger depth, prospects, draft picks. It doesn't make sense to be try to upgrade by giving away what is working on a risk with limited upside like ROR.

A legit scorer could be Dylan Larkin. Wonder if the Wings would do Larkin for Trouba and Roslovic?
- TheUltimateJet

Are you Peter Chiarelli?