I didn't say he was equal to ROR, just that for the money difference ROR from 2017/18 is not the player I would have taken a chance on by giving up a positive and cheaper asset, + Lowry, + a 1st, + Lemieux. Your hindsight is 20/20.

about 15 of the points difference between the two is from PP time, and for what it's worth a similar plus/minus.

edit: for 2 years in their careers Little received more Selke votes than ROR. ROR has won the Byng and consistently gets votes for this.
- 2.0

Oh, I don’t agree with the trade suggestion. Just that ROR should be a Jet.

Please don’t use plus/minus and award voting as evidence of anything. Kopitar won a Selke in a career-worst defensive season

no disrespect meant but for those who suggested Larkin and Detroit's first rounder or Patrick and Sanheim for Trouba, I'm sorry but those have zero chance of happening as both of those are sever over payments by those teams for Trouba.
my best guesses for a realistic Trouba trade would be along these lines; feel free to disagree,

Trouba for

-fla, Trocheck and a 3rd rounder
-fla, Eqblad
-det, Rasmussen and Detroit first
-det, Chowlowski and Detroit first
-phi, Patrick and Phillipe Myers ( but we are adding, Perrault possibly?)
-phi, Ghost and a Philly prospect
-nyr, Howden or Anderson and Hajek
- Ross77

The only way the Jets get Detroit's first round pick is if they take on Nielsen or DeKeyser's dumb contracts, and first either have to agree to come to Winnipeg.

Dream trade Athanasiou and a second, more likely Cholowski and 2 of Detroit's 3 second rounders.

Maybe I don't understand the development piece as well as you. How do you develop a player playing them only 8 minutes a game? Petan got that, now Roslovic and Appleton are getting those minutes.

You only develop when players whom you drafted when they start getting significant minutes and are put into crucial situations. See: Kyle Connor, Mark Scheifele, Josh Morrissey.

Guys like Roslovic, Appleton and I will even include Vesalainen are about to become future Petan's on this team. especially if coach Maurice stays on.
- TheUltimateJet

You can’t win playing all your young guys top minutes, there are only so many to go around.

The only way the Jets get Detroit's first round pick is if they take on Nielsen or DeKeyser's dumb contracts, and first either have to agree to come to Winnipeg.

Dream trade Athanasiou and a second, more likely Cholowski and 2 of Detroit's 3 second rounders.
- BWJumper

I’m not an anthanasiou fan

The only way the Jets get Detroit's first round pick is if they take on Nielsen or DeKeyser's dumb contracts, and first either have to agree to come to Winnipeg.

Dream trade Athanasiou and a second, more likely Cholowski and 2 of Detroit's 3 second rounders.
- BWJumper

Also, one could say the only way Detroit gets Trouba is by including it.

I’m not an anthanasiou fan
- Ross77

He had 21 goals at 5v5 playing for a garbage Detroit team, which is more than what any Jet scored this year.

He had 21 goals at 5v5 playing for a garbage Detroit team, which is more than what any Jet scored this year.
- BWJumper

Is he a natural
Center or possible Center like Roslovic

Is he a natural
Center or possible Center like Roslovic
- Ross77

I have been an Anathasiou fan for a long time. The man can fly and he’s incredibly fast. Bonus for us would be that he played with Scheifele in junior. He’s the type of Center you want playing with Ehlers.

You can’t win playing all your young guys top minutes, there are only so many to go around.
- Ross77

Which also means that maybe they should stay in the AHL until there is a legit position available with the big club. In the meantime, feel free to play Par Lindholm for 8 minutes a game.

At that time his best year was 64 points from 2013-14, and his best +/- was +4 from his rookie year. All other years was a minus player. I understand that plus/minus has limited value for determining player worth but there was a negative pattern with ROR. He is at the beginning of his prime now and I hope for his sake that he is able to have similar success through these 6 or 7 years.
- 2.0

Like I said 2.0 you clearly have not watched him play until this year when he played against the Jets. I guess you just watch the Jets and no other team.

Would Patrick and Sandheim make any sense for Trouba? Patrick injury prone?
- grahamzky

I think that is a decent starting place for conversation with Philly.

Here is another fools-errand trade thought for a #2c:

Getzlaff for (Roslovic & 2nd?, Ehlers?). For this to happen Anaheim would have to officially enter into a rebuild, Getzlaff would have to waive his NMC to go to a contender, Anaheim retains some contract, and obviously they agree on the players/picks/prospects to be involved.

I think Getzlaff could play well with Laine due to history of setup man, ability to play east-west, and ability to use his body to protect the puck to draw attention while teammates get open. Smarts, experience, skill. I see him as someone who is in decline (thats why the contract $$ retained) and not able to be a true #1centre any longer, however, could thrive as a 2C.

2 years remaining on his 8.25m contract, if ducks retain about 2m there should be a way for Jets to make the contract fit, could be exposed to Seattle.

I have been an Anathasiou fan for a long time. The man can fly and he’s incredibly fast. Bonus for us would be that he played with Scheifele in junior. He’s the type of Center you want playing with Ehlers.
- TheUltimateJet

Absolutely agree, but only if he can play center. Next to Larkin, he seems like the Red Wings most dynamic forward. No idea what his analytics are, but in the few Detroit games I saw over the past 2 seasons the puck always seemed to move forward when he was on the ice....

Here is another fools-errand trade thought for a #2c:

Getzlaff for (Roslovic & 2nd?, Ehlers?). For this to happen Anaheim would have to officially enter into a rebuild, Getzlaff would have to waive his NMC to go to a contender, Anaheim retains some contract, and obviously they agree on the players/picks/prospects to be involved.

I think Getzlaff could play well with Laine due to history of setup man, ability to play east-west, and ability to use his body to protect the puck to draw attention while teammates get open. Smarts, experience, skill. I see him as someone who is in decline (thats why the contract $$ retained) and not able to be a true #1centre any longer, however, could thrive as a 2C.

2 years remaining on his 8.25m contract, if ducks retain about 2m there should be a way for Jets to make the contract fit, could be exposed to Seattle.
- 2.0

No, absolutely, hell no. Getzlaf is not an improvement for us, and that cap hit is a massive liability. I’d sooner have Little.

Why is nobody addressing the fact that we have 2 possible 2Cs on the roster already in Lowry and Copp? Or that our biggest issue is the defence with Morrissey and Byfuglien being our only for a fact options there with Trouba in the air, and Niku and Poolman in the Maurice no-trust zone?

No, absolutely, hell no. Getzlaf is not an improvement for us, and that cap hit is a massive liability. I’d sooner have Little.

Why is nobody addressing the fact that we have 2 possible 2Cs on the roster already in Lowry and Copp? Or that our biggest issue is the defence with Morrissey and Byfuglien being our only for a fact options there with Trouba in the air, and Niku and Poolman in the Maurice no-trust zone?
- Rexypoo

Agree with all this. I'm pretty sure I don't propose Lowry or Copp moving up because I don't think there is any way in hell it will happen as long as PoMo runs the ship. Same pessimism about Niku and Poilman. But, I'm letting myself be a little hopeful on some of this in light of Chevy's comments about texting with Samberg. Chevy's job is to change the tack of this ship as the winds change, and so far his steering has been pretty good.....

Agree with all this. I'm pretty sure I don't propose Lowry or Copp moving up because I don't think there is any way in hell it will happen as long as PoMo runs the ship. Same pessimism about Niku and Poilman. But, I'm letting myself be a little hopeful on some of this in light of Chevy's comments about texting with Samberg. Chevy's job is to change the tack of this ship as the winds change, and so far his steering has been pretty good.....
- liverpoolnhl

good take on the tack of the ship.

Niku, Poolman will be regulars this year. Lowry & Copp are fantastic right where they are. Little is ok at 2C but ok doesn't make us playoff champions. Current analytics are flawed as they provide misleading info about who can make it and who can't, they tell a story but not the story. Lowry and Copp are not long term solutions at 2C.

good take on the tack of the ship.

Niku, Poolman will be regulars this year. Lowry & Copp are fantastic right where they are. Little is ok at 2C but ok doesn't make us playoff champions. Current analytics are flawed as they provide misleading info about who can make it and who can't, they tell a story but not the story. Lowry and Copp are not long term solutions at 2C.
- 2.0

There is nothing to suggest that Lowry isn’t a 2C. It’s not all about offence. He keeps the puck moving the right way, and provides a level of defensive coverage nobody else can. We don’t have a play driving, defensive presence in the top 6, and it shows. Our current top 2 lines struggle mightily with both.
Copp is a little bit behind him across the board, but also has the advantage of established chemistry with Wheeler and Scheifele, as well as being visibly more creative than Lowry.

REXY’S PROPOSITION OF LINEUP EXCELLENCE

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Copp-Wheeler
Vesalainen-Little-Ehlers
Dano-Lowry-Appleton

*edit* I feel like I’m forgetting someone here. In my world, Hayes runs far away from here, Little is immovable, and Tanev is el gonzo.

Who am I missing? Some youngin, I’m sure

😏.....

There is nothing to suggest that Lowry isn’t a 2C. It’s not all about offence. He keeps the puck moving the right way, and provides a level of defensive coverage nobody else can. We don’t have a play driving, defensive presence in the top 6, and it shows. Our current top 2 lines struggle mightily with both.
Copp is a little bit behind him across the board, but also has the advantage of established chemistry with Wheeler and Scheifele, as well as being visibly more creative than Lowry.

REXY’S PROPOSITION OF LINEUP EXCELLENCE

Perreault-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Copp-Wheeler
Vesalainen-Little-Ehlers
Dano-Lowry-Appleton

*edit* I feel like I’m forgetting someone here. In my world, Hayes runs far away from here, Little is immovable, and Tanev is el gonzo.

Who am I missing? Some youngin, I’m sure
- Rexypoo

Roslovic...or were you just sucking us into an offseason discussion about PoMo's shortcomings and the Jets not winning a cup without proper line deployment?.....

Dano ?

Roslovic...or were you just sucking us into an offseason discussion about PoMo's shortcomings and the Jets not winning a cup without proper line deployment?.....
- liverpoolnhl

Doesn’t matter what line-up combinations you come up with. One thing is for sure Wheeler will either play with 55 or 17 and those lines will get 16 minutes plus. All the rest will be lucky to 12 minutes max. Maurice doesn’t understand bench management. Only way other lines get play is if Cheveldayoff trades 17.

Doesn’t matter what line-up combinations you come up with. One thing is for sure Wheeler will either play with 55 or 17 and those lines will get 16 minutes plus. All the rest will be lucky to 12 minutes max. Maurice doesn’t understand bench management. Only way other lines get play is if Cheveldayoff trades 17.
- TheUltimateJet

Wheeler with Lowry? don't you mean Wheeler with Little? When did Wheeler and Lowry play together?......

Wheeler with Lowry? don't you mean Wheeler with Little? When did Wheeler and Lowry play together?......
- liverpoolnhl

They never have, but if you split up 26 & 55, do you seriously believe that coach Maurice is going to give 18 any additional ice time? If 26 goes from 55, the only logical decision in coach Maurice's head would be to pair him with 17. I am thinking like coach Maurice.

Roslovic...or were you just sucking us into an offseason discussion about PoMo's shortcomings and the Jets not winning a cup without proper line deployment?.....
- liverpoolnhl

I forgot Roslovic. Put him in the Dano hole

They never have, but if you split up 26 & 55, do you seriously believe that coach Maurice is going to give 18 any additional ice time? If 26 goes from 55, the only logical decision in coach Maurice's head would be to pair him with 17. I am thinking like coach Maurice.
- TheUltimateJet

Wait, what? Maurice gives Little ALL the additional ice time.
PK? Little over someone better
PP2? Little over someone better
Empty Net? Little over someone better