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Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Apr 26 @ 7:57 AM ET
Hey Mr. Tanner,

I recall how upset (and ugly) you were awhile back when Mr. Tocchet was named head coach of the Yotes... and I believe your disdain was based in your absolute love and devotion of the Pens, LOL.

Are you a believer yet?
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 26 @ 8:07 AM ET
I’m pretty sure Gudbranson shed the tough guy thing coming to Pittsburgh. Will he fight? Sure sometimes, it’s not like tackling Tom Wilson before he’s making aB line to Guentzel is a bad thing. Mostly I think he concentrated on play hockey in his time here. Really don’t see a problem with he and Pettersson being the bottom pair. To point to him and JJ as the sole problem of this team is lazy and stupid.
doublechili
New York Islanders
Joined: 02.17.2019

Apr 26 @ 8:20 AM ET
"give[n] their four game sweep at the hands of Robin Lehner"

Way to stick with the narrative. I'm assuming you didn't catch most of the games and are just basing this on numbers....
Good On Paper
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 04.13.2009

Apr 26 @ 8:31 AM ET
Vampire Weekend sucks. They had one good album.

That is all.
deadpoulet
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Montreal
Joined: 07.01.2008

Apr 26 @ 8:32 AM ET
No to trade Crosby or Malkin. I’d consider trading Letang or Kessel if the return is awesome but it won’t happen.

Yes to trading Hörnqvist, Jacko or Guds contract.

- Barnaby36


Well, you're not the GM.
Cousinskrid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: the BURGH, PA
Joined: 03.08.2018

Apr 26 @ 9:26 AM ET
I’m pretty sure Gudbranson she’s the tough guy thing coming to Pittsburgh. Will he fight? Sure sometimes, it’s not like tackling Tom Wilson before he’s making aB line to Guentzel is a bad thing. Mostly I think he concentrated on play hockey in his time here. Really don’t see a problem with he and Pettersson being the bottom pair. To point to him and JJ as the sole problem of this team is lazy and stupid.
- Grinder47


Agreed, as I've been trying to drive home with lots of folks here. The Pens' issues go FAR deeper than your lower pairing Dmen.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 26 @ 9:31 AM ET
I thought this was written by RW. Got done reading and was confused by the lack of depth and/or point of this article. I figured I’d post a clever comment to to mock said deficiencies. I then saw JT at the top of the comment board and went, “ohhh...ok, I get it.”
- Le_Magnifique


This 100%
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Apr 26 @ 9:36 AM ET
Vampire Weekend sucks. They had one good album.

That is all.

- Good On Paper



I tried to listen to the song posted. It's so (frank)ing bad, as is every vampire weekend song I've ever heard. this is the pinnacle of modern music?
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 26 @ 9:50 AM ET
Odd as it sounds, I could see it. I think Pens fans care more about him finishing his career a Pen than he does. Maybe he really does want to "be the man" somewhere?
- MacPatty


Yeah I agree. I am not sure players care that much about where they end up unless its somewhere really awful. I couldn't imagine being highly paid in my 20's in EDM or Peg. I dont even think the Flyers/Rivalry really even exists to this point anymore. Its just another game. I really dont think Jagr or Gretzky gave a poop where they ended their careers.

That said I could see a Malkin/Kessel trade with either Maata or JJ going to AZ or FLA for something like OEL or Ekblad+1st+NHL ready prospect.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 26 @ 10:19 AM ET
I tried to listen to the song posted. It's so (frank)ing bad, as is every vampire weekend song I've ever heard. this is the pinnacle of modern music?
- Blackstrom2


You're just not hip and "with it" enough to love terrible music like indie hipsters.
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 26 @ 10:21 AM ET
Johnson yes, Hornquist not a chance.

Hornquist is maybe overpaid by a Mil but his impact is massively underrated. Rough year with concussions but I want him to retire a Penguin.

- MacPatty

As we’ve all seen time and time again, your impact is limited by your coach. If we’re not going to use him in the top 6 and we need his cap space then it likely makes the most sense to trade him. I was ok with trading him as a rental before and I’m ok with trading him now it just depends on how it unfolds. I don’t want to be Chicago where we dump off cap space (Hossa) with young players (more space) and then never use that space. JR won’t have that issue. Players going out will be replaced
WSCTeton17
Joined: 07.29.2013

Apr 26 @ 10:28 AM ET
Yeah I agree. I am not sure players care that much about where they end up unless its somewhere really awful. I couldn't imagine being highly paid in my 20's in EDM or Peg. I dont even think the Flyers/Rivalry really even exists to this point anymore. Its just another game. I really dont think Jagr or Gretzky gave a poop where they ended their careers.

That said I could see a Malkin/Kessel trade with either Maata or JJ going to AZ or FLA for something like OEL or Ekblad+1st+NHL ready prospect.

- sammy87

From a business standpoint I’m ok trading OEL. It’s not going to happen though. They have plenty of other assets they can move to improve and moving OEL 1) creates a hole but 2) you aren’t going to replace what this guy means to the community. He sells tickets, he sells jerseys, they’ve seen him rise up here under Doaner and they want to continue down that path.

I don’t think Chayka is going to mix up his centers. He has Schmaltz, Dvorak (who has chemistry with Keller), Stepan, and Richardson with Hayton in the wings. I think he’s going to go after one too 6 player and trade away a defender. Then the team will see what they have to start the season just like GMJR did years past in his search for a 3C

This team was good defensively last year and with a full year of Schmaltz and maybe Zuccarello they’ll see a much improved PP. the D are set. The PK should still be solid. Maybe if he also upgrades at the deadline they even make a playoff push, who knows
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Apr 26 @ 10:37 AM ET
"give
- doublechili[n] their four game sweep at the hands of the Islanders 4th line.

Way to stick with the narrative. I'm assuming you didn't catch most of the games and are just basing this on numbers....


Fixed. No stats junkie wants to give that line credit.
i'mjustafan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 05.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 10:37 AM ET
Would you know if there was any truth in the rumor that kessel had waived his no trade last year to go to AZ? If AZ took on kessel, thats a good contract for them. 92 points last year, 83 this year for $6.8M? thats a bargain. I hope the pens dont do that but since JR at least twice made crappy comments, its a possibility.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Apr 26 @ 10:48 AM ET
From a business standpoint I’m ok trading OEL. It’s not going to happen though. They have plenty of other assets they can move to improve and moving OEL 1) creates a hole but 2) you aren’t going to replace what this guy means to the community. He sells tickets, he sells jerseys, they’ve seen him rise up here under Doaner and they want to continue down that path.

I don’t think Chayka is going to mix up his centers. He has Schmaltz, Dvorak (who has chemistry with Keller), Stepan, and Richardson with Hayton in the wings. I think he’s going to go after one too 6 player and trade away a defender. Then the team will see what they have to start the season just like GMJR did years past in his search for a 3C

This team was good defensively last year and with a full year of Schmaltz and maybe Zuccarello they’ll see a much improved PP. the D are set. The PK should still be solid. Maybe if he also upgrades at the deadline they even make a playoff push, who knows

- WSCTeton17


Outside of OEL i really dont know anyone on the AZ roster. I can't follow the NHL as much as I use to but if Malkin were moved thats what a deal would look like. Im not sure it makes much sense to either team TBH.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Apr 26 @ 10:51 AM ET
Vampire Weekend sucks. They had one good album.

That is all.

- Good On Paper


They didn't even have that
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 26 @ 11:16 AM ET
Vampire Weekend sucks. They had one good album.

That is all.

- Good On Paper



And Hemingway had only one good book.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Apr 26 @ 11:19 AM ET
And Hemingway had only one good book.
- James_Tanner


Hemmingway was monstrously overrated.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Apr 26 @ 11:22 AM ET
There is simply no way a Crosby nor Malkin trade would ever happen nor should happen. Keep in mind that both have a full NMC. I don't think JR is insane enough to even ask them to waive it and to even float any possibilities to other GM's of trading either of these two.

There is a possibility that Malkin might go back to Russia at some point, though. He looked rather frustrated all season and for some reason the NHL refs seem to have a bone to pick with him and really target him - either by calling every little infraction that he does or by allowing other players to do whatever they want to him without calling it. I don't know what is going on there but it really seems like the NHL has him as a "marked man" and has some kind of issue with him.

Both Kessel and Letang have a limited NMC, with Kessel's being 8 teams and Letang's being 18 teams. It is a safe bet that neither have Arizona on their lists. Both are incredibly frustrating players who are essentially "double-edged swords" who both help and hurt the team. Kessel is paid for his scoring ability but yet constantly tried to make bad passes all season, while passing up perfect scoring chances. Letang constantly pinches, leading to frequent odd-man breaks against. He was the #1 reason the Pens got swept in the Islanders series. Trotz's system exploited him mercilessly. Sorry Letang, the forwards typically can't play defense as well as a defenseman and expecting them to do this pretty much constantly all game is not reasonable. He is also the mouthiest player on the team and has taken some bad unsportsmanlike conduct penalties in the past, although he seems to have dialed that back this past season. Nevertheless, he is still the team's best defenseman and still one the best defenseman in the league.

Of the four the only one I would consider trading is Kessel but I doubt it would be possible to get a fair return from the 8 teams on his limited NMC. The best we can hope for is that the "smarter versions" of him and Letang decide to show up for next season.

My biggest concern is that JR will trade Hornqvist and the team will loose what little net-front presence it has.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:26 AM ET
imagine Malkin waiving his NMC to go to Arizona
- jimbro83

I can’t
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Apr 26 @ 11:26 AM ET
Agreed, as I've been trying to drive home with lots of folks here. The Pens' issues go FAR deeper than your lower pairing Dmen.
- Cousinskrid


Not really.

First, JJ isn’t a “lower pairing dman” considering he played top 2nd pairing minutes all year.

Second, mentioning Guddy isn’t about the individual. It’s about the overall direction and makeup of the team. Guddy played well while he was here. I agree with most on that but he still isn’t the type of defenseman that helps push the pace like guys like Letang, Schultz, Daley, Maatta, etc. (guys who can move the puck).

Third, the team suffered from an identity crisis. The best players on this team play hockey a certain way. The worst players on this team do not accentuate the way that they play. It was a horrible mismatch of players that don’t work well together.

It starts with the GM. He acquired poor fits for the team. He saw how the Pens won their second cup and thought that was a good model to base the team off of, while anyone who’s anything realized that trying to model a team about the second cup is a recipe for unsustainable success. Meanwhile the rest of the NHL looked at what made the buzz saw penguins of the first cup successful and replicated that model. The Pens own GM missed what made them successful. That’s where the problem is. The GM made stupid decisions.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Apr 26 @ 11:39 AM ET
I can’t
- 2Real


me neither
coohill
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Louisville, CO
Joined: 03.15.2007

Apr 26 @ 11:47 AM ET
Tanner, like you're blogs. Some are going to be better than others. Duh.

Actually, I do think you and Ryan Wilson should get together and talk about how the Penguins and Coytoes would go about trades. Why not when everyone's golfing? Talk about Tocchet's desires. Talk about GMJR's fallacies. Talk about contract limitations. Eating a bad contract in exchange for keeping draft picks.

Go for it. A decent amount of us read and enjoy.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Apr 26 @ 12:01 PM ET
Hemmingway was monstrously overrated.
- BINGO!


Yeah, just like Shakespeare and Brian Wilson. I've read a lot of crazy things on this board over the years, but Hemingway being overrated probably takes the cake.

I take it you don't read much, if at all.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Apr 26 @ 12:19 PM ET
Yeah, just like Shakespeare and Brian Wilson. I've read a lot of crazy things on this board over the years, but Hemingway being overrated probably takes the cake.

I take it you don't read much, if at all.

- James_Tanner


Well that's a bold assumption.

He's a good writer, James, but he spent way too much time just jerking off onto the page.
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