Re: Drafting Caulfield or a dman at #3

Right. And we have Kane + DeBrincat up front. Some of the dmen prospects lack size (Beaudin, Mitchell) + Keith.(however longer he is around). You have an opportunity to select a very good player at #3 and i sure do not want Hughes or Darth Kane's pick Caufield. No sir, keep up with the league by inserting new players whose pedigree is playing the physical brand. We are in dire need of players with grit who dig pucks out and deliver checks.. You expect some of this regular season but it is mandated in playoff hockey

I am also all over the sensible approach to drafting a dman #3 and not just due to size. If you read wiz report at draftsite.com then you should find a compelling report which sounds like both Soderberg and Brophy go ahead of Byrum.

Byrum appears to be the latest flavor to like but how can you draft him early when he played in a tier below major junior? I do not doubt that he transitions well to major junior and has great offensive ability. But you do see that he will.be striving to equal Boqvist on the developmental curve - they both are green and have a ways to go before they become red apples.

When the young dmen actually stick in the NHL to some extent their success will be predicated upon their pairing with capable NHL veteran. How many solid top four veterans do we have OR put another way, how effective how soon can the prospects show they are worthy? Some prospects are just going to become stuck in Rockford or traded before they realize their potentisl in Chicago

So to add another dman prospect to that list is just ludicrous. Carlsson, Gilbert have the toughness and or compete so they appear serious contenders for a job. Mitchell and Beaudin have the smarts and skill when they are ready. Jokijarju is on track ahead of them. Alteady we hope to fill out a future defense with Boqvist.

Where is there room to draft another dman without doing dis- service to our prospects i just listed? There is even a possibility that either Forsling and or Koekoek develop. Dahlstrom being a big body and Koekkoeck willingness to be physical lends them a role as depth or as starters while the build up or infusion of prospects begins for real this fall.

I sure hope a physical skill good skater forward is here in training camp for a while and not another dman from the #3 selection.
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It was a move to get younger and some cap flexibility. Hjalamarsson had been terrible the previous two seasons prior to his trade. I would also argue that Murphy is a heart and soul player. He just hasn't been a part of winning in Chicago.

But then. I like Murphy so I could be biased. FTR, a Hammer sweater is one of only two I have ever owned in my adult life.
- Elbows15

Hammer was terrible the last 2 seasons?? wow.

That one would make me think. Of course it comes down to who the Hawks value at 3 and if they could still get him or someone else they like at 5.

The first one isn't possible. It has conditions on it as part of the Montour trade for Buffalo. With the Blues advancing I think it now becomes a property of the Ducks. Well, the Ducks can choose between that and the SJ pick whichever is higher.
- Elbows15

Wiz lead me astray, he has Buffalo with the 7th and 20th pick.

Very unlikely the Hawks trade down from #3. When was the last time a team traded down from a top 3 spot during the draft?

Very unlikely the Hawks trade down from #3. When was the last time a team traded down from a top 3 spot during the draft?
- breadbag

How about 3 for 4 and 16?

Hammer was terrible the last 2 seasons?? wow.
- Lido_Shuffle[/qu
I am fairly certain. this past season Arizona was at United Center twice and we played the Coyotes twice on the road. Didn't hammer play in at least the last three contests? Who saw him in Chicago? Two years ago i believe he played through some injury(s) but was he healthy this past season. He was not terrible this past season

Very unlikely the Hawks trade down from #3. When was the last time a team traded down from a top 3 spot during the draft?
- breadbag

The Hawks when they traded the 3rd pick for Brian McCabe? Don't know if they were the last, but I'm pretty sure that was the trade. Do I win anything? Maybe a Foley bobblehead?

Re: Drafting Caulfield or a dman at #3

Right. And we have Kane + DeBrincat up front. Some of the dmen prospects lack size (Beaudin, Mitchell) + Keith.(however longer he is around). You have an opportunity to select a very good player at #3 and i sure do not want Hughes or Darth Kane's pick Caufield. No sir, keep up with the league by inserting new players whose pedigree is playing the physical brand. We are in dire need of players with grit who dig pucks out and deliver checks.. You expect some of this regular season but it is mandated in playoff hockey

I am also all over the sensible approach to drafting a dman #3 and not just due to size. If you read wiz report at draftsite.com then you should find a compelling report which sounds like both Soderberg and Brophy go ahead of Byrum.

Byrum appears to be the latest flavor to like but how can you draft him early when he played in a tier below major junior? I do not doubt that he transitions well to major junior and has great offensive ability. But you do see that he will.be striving to equal Boqvist on the developmental curve - they both are green and have a ways to go before they become red apples.

When the young dmen actually stick in the NHL to some extent their success will be predicated upon their pairing with capable NHL veteran. How many solid top four veterans do we have OR put another way, how effective how soon can the prospects show they are worthy? Some prospects are just going to become stuck in Rockford or traded before they realize their potentisl in Chicago

So to add another dman prospect to that list is just ludicrous. Carlsson, Gilbert have the toughness and or compete so they appear serious contenders for a job. Mitchell and Beaudin have the smarts and skill when they are ready. Jokijarju is on track ahead of them. Alteady we hope to fill out a future defense with Boqvist.

Where is there room to draft another dman without doing dis- service to our prospects i just listed? There is even a possibility that either Forsling and or Koekoek develop. Dahlstrom being a big body and Koekkoeck willingness to be physical lends them a role as depth or as starters while the build up or infusion of prospects begins for real this fall.

I sure hope a physical skill good skater forward is here in training camp for a while and not another dman from the #3 selection.
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- jhawk59

The Hawks aren't taking Caufield at 3. So forget about that.

Wiz lead me astray, he has Buffalo with the 7th and 20th pick.
- walleyeb1

Yeah, I know. I tried to correct him but whatsyagonnado?

The Hawks when they traded the 3rd pick for Brian McCabe? Don't know if they were the last, but I'm pretty sure that was the trade. Do I win anything? Maybe a Foley bobblehead?
- HawkintheD

Yeah, let's not do that again. He didn't work out so well.

Hammer was terrible the last 2 seasons?? wow.
- Lido_Shuffle

Reality sucks. He was. He couldn't clear his zone and was getting dummied in the corner constantly.

That finished better than the Hawks.
- Elbows15

I know we don't agree, but Hammer thinks the game so well, Murphy is a moron on skates

Reality sucks. He was. He couldn't clear his zone and was getting dummied in the corner constantly.
- Elbows15

True, but Q had him playing RD so he tried to constantly backhand the puck out of the zone.

Murphy on a PK gets caught so far up the ice he gives up a breakaway. He's a 3rd pairing defenseman at best

Yeah, let's not do that again. He didn't work out so well.
- Elbows15

McCabe had a horrific first game as a Hawk. I know he had at least one own goal if not two. I just remember it being a night he probably couldn't forget soon enough.

Thought he was generally ok, though probably not worth the third overall which ended up being a Sedin (Hank I believe).

The whole thing was compounded and made truly dreadful when Smith traded McCabe for Potsy.

I know we don't agree, but Hammer thinks the game so well, Murphy is a moron on skates
- BetweenTheDots

So do Keith and Seabs. The other thing they have in common is they're all over 30 and of no relation to Ponce de Leon.

True, but Q had him playing RD so he tried to constantly backhand the puck out of the zone.

Murphy on a PK gets caught so far up the ice he gives up a breakaway. He's a 3rd pairing defenseman at best
- BetweenTheDots

I believe Hjalmarsson said a number of times that he prefers the right side.

I believe Hjalmarsson said a number of times that he prefers the right side.
- Chunk

Careful, you’re straying from the narrative.

I believe Hjalmarsson said a number of times that he prefers the right side.
- Chunk

And he played on the right side the majority of his career so there is that

And he played on the right side the majority of his career so there is that
- GPHawksfan

Especially well with Oduya.

Re: Drafting Caulfield or a dman at #3

Right. And we have Kane + DeBrincat up front. Some of the dmen prospects lack size (Beaudin, Mitchell) + Keith.(however longer he is around). You have an opportunity to select a very good player at #3 and i sure do not want Hughes or Darth Kane's pick Caufield. No sir, keep up with the league by inserting new players whose pedigree is playing the physical brand. We are in dire need of players with grit who dig pucks out and deliver checks.. You expect some of this regular season but it is mandated in playoff hockey

I am also all over the sensible approach to drafting a dman #3 and not just due to size. If you read wiz report at draftsite.com then you should find a compelling report which sounds like both Soderberg and Brophy go ahead of Byrum.

Byrum appears to be the latest flavor to like but how can you draft him early when he played in a tier below major junior? I do not doubt that he transitions well to major junior and has great offensive ability. But you do see that he will.be striving to equal Boqvist on the developmental curve - they both are green and have a ways to go before they become red apples.

When the young dmen actually stick in the NHL to some extent their success will be predicated upon their pairing with capable NHL veteran. How many solid top four veterans do we have OR put another way, how effective how soon can the prospects show they are worthy? Some prospects are just going to become stuck in Rockford or traded before they realize their potentisl in Chicago

So to add another dman prospect to that list is just ludicrous. Carlsson, Gilbert have the toughness and or compete so they appear serious contenders for a job. Mitchell and Beaudin have the smarts and skill when they are ready. Jokijarju is on track ahead of them. Alteady we hope to fill out a future defense with Boqvist.

Where is there room to draft another dman without doing dis- service to our prospects i just listed? There is even a possibility that either Forsling and or Koekoek develop. Dahlstrom being a big body and Koekkoeck willingness to be physical lends them a role as depth or as starters while the build up or infusion of prospects begins for real this fall.

I sure hope a physical skill good skater forward is here in training camp for a while and not another dman from the #3 selection.
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- jhawk59

Byram plays in major junior - WHL/Vancouver.

How about 3 for 4 and 16?
- walleyeb1

That one I would do but why would the team with 4/16 do it? Pick one of Byram/Cozens/Turcotte at #4 and then pick up the goalie at #16.

The Hawks when they traded the 3rd pick for Brian McCabe? Don't know if they were the last, but I'm pretty sure that was the trade. Do I win anything? Maybe a Foley bobblehead?
- HawkintheD

Hawks traded #4 in 1999 for McCabe and 2000 #11, which really wasn't even technically trading down in the draft, since they got a pick the following year.

My point was, it isn't very often you see any of the top 3 or even top 5 involved in draft day trading.

That whole thing was kind of an exception with the craziness of Vancouver wanting both twins.

Tampa had the first overall, Atlanta 2nd, Vancouver 3rd and Chicago 4th. Chicago got McCabe and a first for the next draft for their pick. Vancouver then swapped the 4th overall and two more picks to Tampa for the 1st overall, which they ended up sending to Atlanta for them to agree not to take a Sedin. Tampa ended up trading the 4th overall to the Rangers. It was pretty unusual anyway.

That one I would do but why would the team with 4/16 do it? Pick one of Byram/Cozens/Turcotte at #4 and then pick up the goalie at #16.
- EbonyRaptor

Only if the player they really really want is at 3 and are willing to give up 4 and 16 because are going take said player. That only way it happens. Hawks need a big body center cozens who plays a 200ft game simlar to toews's game. If turcotte is from what i have read is like McKinnon that be good to but still cozens is my pick and Caulfield hawks already have enough undersized forwards do not need another need to balance out the team size speed skill grit and physicality some 5 10 players some 6 2 players speed and skill toughness and physicality and want.

Would you you trade:

3 for 7 and 20

or
3 and 43 for 5, 23, and 33
- walleyeb1

That one you have to run by wiz, he's got that stuff pegged down to a T.

Byram plays in major junior - WHL/Vancouver.
- EbonyRaptor

I read in wiz report about apparently anither dman whom.played one tier below major junior. My bad

But still steadfast do not draft a dman with #3 selection. A physical gritty skill forward type is available and SORELY NEEDED. This is not about an issue about taking the best athlete. We have enough prospects trying to mix in to lineup next few years and that trumps taking another dman. It is nonsensical taking a dman; the arguement "you can never have enough dmen" does not apply. How the heck are you going to break in all these prosoects in veteran top four with rookie pairings. Add another dman by drafting one #3 no way.