Ahhhhhh fvck man, u just ruined my weekend I forgot gmJR got an extension and then u go and throw out the name of a pens legend who molded a team the just took out the caps. I just shed a tear

- Jordy8[/img]

Honestly I think Rutherford goes into pseudo-retirement in a nothing job with the org next year if we have another meh season. The dude is old and was supposed to retire two years ago, he just got caught up in cup chasing. If he decides Cups aren’t realistic anymore, I think he’ll step aside.

72, 70, 58, 72, 98 & 72 are the point totals Malkin has put up over the last 6 years. He is at a ppg, yes, but other than one year, he hasn't kept himself healthy.

Kessel stays healthy but is only putting up about 45 even strength points per season. He is on a stacked powerplay that generally stays on the ice for 3/4 of the pp time.

They are still valuable guys but it's not like they can't be replaced and it's not like you need to one for one replace them. Especially for a team whose depth everyone complains about, you don't have to get more star power, you need more good players to fill a lineup.
- MacPatty

That’s where you’re wrong they can’t be replaced.

Only? Thats pretty damn good 5 on 5 production man.
- MattStrat

Dude has no idea what he’s talking about hahaha he’s a (frank)ing clown.

Easy

Phil Kessel, Olli Maatta, and 2020 2nd round pick to Nashville for Viktor Arvidsson with $2M retained

Sign Artemi Panarin at $9.5M for 7 years
- jmatchett383

And Nashville makes this trade to do what? Get Older?

Only? Thats pretty damn good 5 on 5 production man.
- MattStrat

It's fairly good but all I hear about Kessel is how irreplaceable he is. Yet 45 even strength points is very replaceable.

Radulov, Domi, Zibanijad, Dadonov, freaking Timo Meijer, Nyquist, Tatar... all guys who people on here would say are massively inferior to Kessel.

Only? Thats pretty damn good 5 on 5 production man.
- MattStrat

Good for 10th among all right wingers at 5v5.

Dude has no idea what he’s talking about hahaha he’s a (frank)ing clown.
- j.boyd919

No, you just don't know a hell of a lot about the game of hockey. That's why you have to swear and try to insult everyone that thinks there is more to hockey than getting as many name players as possible.

I haven't heard any wisdom from you on how the Pens get better.

That’s where you’re wrong they can’t be replaced.
- j.boyd919

As far as value I’m quite confident that Anze Kopitar could provide more value to our roster than Malkin. The End

It's fairly good but all I hear about Kessel is how irreplaceable he is. Yet 45 even strength points is very replaceable.

Radulov, Domi, Zibanijad, Dadonov, freaking Timo Meijer, Nyquist, Tatar... all guys who people on here would say are massively inferior to Kessel.
- MacPatty

They're all really great players. Great company for Kessel to keep if thats the comparison.

Out of 906 players to play in the league this year he was 60th in 5 on 5 production...out of wingers in the NHL he was 27th and out of RW's he was 15th.

When you then add in his PP production you have a player who is very hard to replace.

Good for 10th among all right wingers at 5v5.
- j.boyd919

I used nhl.com to sort through even strength points and manually counted the RW's until I got to him and counted 14 before him hahah..you probably used a more refined method and site.

It's fairly good but all I hear about Kessel is how irreplaceable he is. Yet 45 even strength points is very replaceable.

Radulov, Domi, Zibanijad, Dadonov, freaking Timo Meijer, Nyquist, Tatar... all guys who people on here would say are massively inferior to Kessel.
- MacPatty

For X, Y, Z reasons I don’t think those teams would give us those players for Phil straight up. Montreal doesn’t want to get older, Dallas has a great fit with Radulov, etc etc.

We don’t need to move Kessel to be successful though and he doesn’t play center and we have enough PKers. What bothers me about Malkin is his 2-way play. It’s been bad for a while now and the effort isn’t even there. That’s degrading to your teammates. Idk if he has a bad attitude during video sessions or not but he’s certainly not buying in so I wouldn’t doubt it. Isn’t that the kind of stuff that, uhhh.. makes you a cancer? I don’t think that means we need to trade Geno but I think we need a coach to reign him in

I used nhl.com to sort through even strength points and manually counted the RW's until I got to him and counted 14 before him hahah..you probably used a more refined method and site.
- MattStrat

Come on, Matt. The NHL site is junk. You loser. I hate you. Hey, how’s the fam? Hope all is well. God bless my man.

To me, our forward grouping is very interesting and our D are very uninteresting. Trading away Phil doesn’t make any sense unless you’re also going to replace him. Same with Malkin, but I would totally trade Malkin for Kopitar

I used nhl.com to sort through even strength points and manually counted the RW's until I got to him and counted 14 before him hahah..you probably used a more refined method and site.
- MattStrat

I just used NaturalStatTrick for 5v5 scoring. Sometimes those sites have different designations for different players.

Come on, Matt. The NHL site is junk. You loser. I hate you. Hey, how’s the fam? Hope all is well. God bless my man.

To me, our forward grouping is very interesting and our D are very uninteresting. Trading away Phil doesn’t make any sense unless you’re also going to replace him. Same with Malkin, but I would totally trade Malkin for Kopitar
- WSCTeton17

hahahah

I like the forwards with the 4th line tinkered a bit while also featuring Teddy. The D I'm not a fan of and think the wrong guy(s) are going to be gone next season.

As far as value I’m quite confident that Anze Kopitar could provide more value to our roster than Malkin. The End
- WSCTeton17

I am a huge Kopitar fan, but I don't believe so. I'd rather have Geno over Kopitar.

I just used NaturalStatTrick for 5v5 scoring. Sometimes those sites have different designations for different players.
- j.boyd919

Yeah, good call.

For X, Y, Z reasons I don’t think those teams would give us those players for Phil straight up. Montreal doesn’t want to get older, Dallas has a great fit with Radulov, etc etc.

We don’t need to move Kessel to be successful though and he doesn’t play center and we have enough PKers. What bothers me about Malkin is his 2-way play. It’s been bad for a while now and the effort isn’t even there. That’s degrading to your teammates. Idk if he has a bad attitude during video sessions or not but he’s certainly not buying in so I wouldn’t doubt it. Isn’t that the kind of stuff that, uhhh.. makes you a cancer? I don’t think that means we need to trade Geno but I think we need a coach to reign him in
- WSCTeton17

Yeah after Disco then a few months of Johnston the boys needed a new voice to kick them in the a$$, that was Sully, and he totally did...now they need a new voice again IMO.

As far as value I’m quite confident that Anze Kopitar could provide more value to our roster than Malkin. The End
- WSCTeton17

This is a massive case of grass is always greener syndrome.

Come on, Matt. The NHL site is junk. You loser. I hate you. Hey, how’s the fam? Hope all is well. God bless my man.

To me, our forward grouping is very interesting and our D are very uninteresting. Trading away Phil doesn’t make any sense unless you’re also going to replace him. Same with Malkin, but I would totally trade Malkin for Kopitar
- WSCTeton17

Also, I would be intrigued to do something around Kessel+ for Subban++ this would involve moving Schultz back or somewhere else. Subban would replace Phil in zone on the PP and we would have him, Letang, and Geno all capable of taking 1-T’s from around the umbrella with Sid down low and Jake or 72 in front.

Now I’ll get unrealistic but if we also moved on from JJ (somehow lol) then that would also hopefully open up more cap space to add a top 6 wing option
McCann-Sid-Jake
Zucc-Malkin-72
Simon-Bjugstad-Rust
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Dumo-Letang
Petts-Subban
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I think this makes us better. We have capable 4th liners and could easily grab another. I don’t think this would make our top PP unit worse and it might make it better both offensively and defensively which we all now has been a problem. Top 6 options are solid, third line should be a net positive with lots of offensive zone time. Our third D pairing would be somewhat sheltered. Other than being unrealistic by moving JJ, other thoughts?

I am a huge Kopitar fan, but I don't believe so. I'd rather have Geno over Kopitar.
- j.boyd919

He’s way better defensively and he’s an effective and offensive penalty killer. I would imagine on a PP unit with Subban, Letang, Sid, and Guentzel that he would put up more PPP. Playing with Hornqvist would be similar to playing with Brown and he’s used to playing with lesser wingers like Geno but there’s ways to certainly improve his left winger. He also has a history of staying healthy which adds a ton of value

Is there any reason to believe his 5v5 production would go down? PP production? Defensive prowess? Healthiness?? Hell, he might even be a fit with Phil and McCann and maybe 59-87-72 gets revived if Subban doesn’t come over

Anddddd I'm back from exile

Anddddd I'm back from exile
- Guile

Welcome Back!

Has anyone mention maybe taking a fly on William Nylander? Toronto may just want to get rid of him to sign other players like Marner.

Welcome Back!

Has anyone mention maybe taking a fly on William Nylander? Toronto may just want to get rid of him to sign other players like Marner.
- stevens87

I have, quite often. This isn’t like Chicago where the players they were trading were middle 6 players that hadn’t peaked yet. Nylander is a legit top 6 forward who likely hasn’t peaked yet. Toronto isn’t going to “dump him off” they’re going to get serious assets for moving many of their players not named Zaitsev/Marleau/Hainsey plus they’re going to let Gardiner walk

Welcome Back!

Has anyone mention maybe taking a fly on William Nylander? Toronto may just want to get rid of him to sign other players like Marner.
- stevens87

Also, we wouldn’t have the cap space either unless we dumped off cap space and the major reason TO would be willing to move on from a top 6 forward or Kadri would be to get younger and cost controlled. That’s not something that we can give them but lots of other teams can

Also, I would be intrigued to do something around Kessel+ for Subban++ this would involve moving Schultz back or somewhere else. Subban would replace Phil in zone on the PP and we would have him, Letang, and Geno all capable of taking 1-T’s from around the umbrella with Sid down low and Jake or 72 in front.

Now I’ll get unrealistic but if we also moved on from JJ (somehow lol) then that would also hopefully open up more cap space to add a top 6 wing option
McCann-Sid-Jake
Zucc-Malkin-72
Simon-Bjugstad-Rust
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Dumo-Letang
Petts-Subban
Ruhwedel-Gudbranson

I think this makes us better. We have capable 4th liners and could easily grab another. I don’t think this would make our top PP unit worse and it might make it better both offensively and defensively which we all now has been a problem. Top 6 options are solid, third line should be a net positive with lots of offensive zone time. Our third D pairing would be somewhat sheltered. Other than being unrealistic by moving JJ, other thoughts?
- WSCTeton17

If we're trading Kessel for Subban, I think it would be Kessel+++ for Subban. That's actually not a trade I'm opposed to, don't love it, but don't hate it.