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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 8:44 PM ET
I would lose it if they drafted a dman over Zegras like Vantel is guessing



The scary part is that Vantel has been right about Benning's thoughts in the past

He called both of the Gudbranson/Sutter trades months before they happened.

- Nucker101

Trades though, not drafting.
That was a very strong play by Podkolzin to deke around Broberg and put the puck in the net.
(Just watching game now)
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:45 PM ET
Remember no-name beer?
- Marwood


I think so
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:47 PM ET
Trades though, not drafting.
That was a very strong play by Podkolzin to deke around Broberg and put the puck in the net.
(Just watching game now)

- manvanfan



fair enough

All I'm saying is that when Vantel give this thoughts on what he thinks Benning will do, I'm all ears, even if it's something I don't want to hear lol


I like Podkolzin's skill set, but I still think he's going to be one of those frustrating players who's "potential" is always better than the actual production. His hockey sense seems subpar to me and that's whine's out of the top 10 for me despite being a guy who works hard and has size/skill.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:50 PM ET
I would lose it if they drafted a dman over Zegras like Vantel is guessing



The scary part is that Vantel has been right about Benning's thoughts in the past

He called both of the Gudbranson/Sutter trades months before they happened.

- Nucker101


I forgot Zegras sorry


I even called the piecs they would be traded for . I said Guddy for McCann and a second and Sutter for Bonino .
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 8:50 PM ET
You keep saying this but he is not the consensus 2nd best dman. Hell there is no consensus 2nd best dman which is concerning. Could be York - Soderstrom - Broberg - Seider or Harley. Not good
- CanuckDon

After Byram the D prospects are 2nd tier so is that top 4 or just good depth types? I rather pick D later in the draft instead of projecting on hope.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
Trades though, not drafting.
That was a very strong play by Podkolzin to deke around Broberg and put the puck in the net.
(Just watching game now)

- manvanfan

It was a big play for sure but he is not the only Dman to get beaten . That pretty well happens every time a goal is scored.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 8:53 PM ET
I would lose it if they drafted a dman over Zegras like Vantel is guessing



The scary part is that Vantel has been right about Benning's thoughts in the past

He called both of the Gudbranson/Sutter trades months before they happened.

- Nucker101


News Flash...

Vantel traded to Nashville for Fabbro
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:53 PM ET
After Byram the D prospects are 2nd tier so is that top 4 or just good depth types? I rather pick D later in the draft instead of projecting on hope.
- Nighthawk



It's always dangerous to just say things like "I'd rather have the #1 guy at this position than the #5 guy at this other position"


Juolevi was the first dman picked in his draft and Tkachuk was the 5th forward
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 8:58 PM ET
It's always dangerous to just say things like "I'd rather have the #1 guy at this position than the #5 guy at this other position"


Juolevi was the first dman picked in his draft and Tkachuk was the 5th forward

- Nucker101


Oh so true. Again i wanted a trade down for McAvoy RHD if we didn’t pick Sergachev over OJ. Didn’t so i live with it. Tkachuk woulda made most here much happier but D was a big hole & no depth for us & imo it was JB’s BPA/need pick.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 28 @ 8:59 PM ET
Oh so true. Again i wanted a trade down for McAvoy RHD if we didn’t pick Sergachev over OJ. Didn’t so i live with it. Tkachuk woulda made most here much happier but D was a big hole & no depth for us & imo it was JB’s BPA/need pick.
- Nighthawk



Bingo


Hopefully a tough lesson learned for the team
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 9:01 PM ET
News Flash...

Vantel traded to Nashville for Fabbro

- Nighthawk

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 9:04 PM ET
fair enough

All I'm saying is that when Vantel give this thoughts on what he thinks Benning will do, I'm all ears, even if it's something I don't want to hear lol


I like Podkolzin's skill set, but I still think he's going to be one of those frustrating players who's "potential" is always better than the actual production. His hockey sense seems subpar to me and that's whine's out of the top 10 for me despite being a guy who works hard and has size/skill.

- Nucker101

I would say you are right in that you wish he produced like Tarasenko but I think he gives up some of that production to also not hurt your team and do of the other "little things" that gives your team a chance to win nightly.

Sort of winger version of Horvat.

I would actually be happier to get Podkolzin over Zegras.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 9:04 PM ET
It's always dangerous to just say things like "I'd rather have the #1 guy at this position than the #5 guy at this other position"


Juolevi was the first dman picked in his draft and Tkachuk was the 5th forward

- Nucker101


Juolevi was not the best Dman though.

It is also dangerous saying I will take the next best forward after 8 others have been picked. It really does work both ways
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:06 PM ET
Bingo


Hopefully a tough lesson learned for the team

- Nucker101


In the past now & remains to be seen how OJ does. Set backs dull his lustre but D are different than F’s so he is fine if healthy & ready for the rigours of the NHL. His partner will be important & how Green utilizes him. No fan of Baumer though & we need a replacement for him.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:08 PM ET
Juolevi was not the best Dman though.

It is also dangerous saying I will take the next best forward after 8 others have been picked. It really does work both ways

- VANTEL


After Byram the D are eerily the same situation as back then. I’m so apprehensive & just hoping we get a surprise & somebody falls to us not being a D.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 9:09 PM ET
It was a big play for sure but he is not the only Dman to get beaten . That pretty well happens every time a goal is scored.
- VANTEL

No, Podkolzin did the same thing to him at the end of the 2nd but didn't score. He tried to go around Bjornfot for Russia's 2nd goal but was closed off, lost the puck but lucky it went to his teammate who put it in.

When you are drafting, you are drafting for potential years down the road. Broberg's size and skating ability allow him to have the most potential but right now Soderstrom, Bjornfot and i'd say Harley have a better hockey sense right now. Room for growth is much more than anyone other then Byram if a team feels that the hockey sense could improve.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 9:13 PM ET
After Byram the D are eerily the same situation as back then. I’m so apprehensive & just hoping we get a surprise & somebody falls to us not being a D.
- Nighthawk


Go through the draft history over the last 20 years and see how how many forwards on average in the first round make the NHL and then figure out how many of them are impact players . Then do the same with the D

I am pretty sure Canucks would be looking at the 9 th best forward.

Will your odds of drafting an impact player come with drafting a Dman or forward?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:14 PM ET
Us fans are left no choice but to be patient drafting & developing. Only a Panarin can change that but highly unlikely leaving us to waiting it out. The farm isn’t stocked with talent ready to impact our fortunes. Hughes will be a very big boost with health being our usual achilles heal. For once it’d be nice to see Green have better luck with injuries not being the revolving door line-ups we are so prone & used to. We need prospects on the farm to start stepping up Lind being one i target.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 28 @ 9:16 PM ET
No, Podkolzin did the same thing to him at the end of the 2nd but didn't score. He tried to go around Bjornfot for Russia's 2nd goal but was closed off, lost the puck but lucky it went to his teammate who put it in.

When you are drafting, you are drafting for potential years down the road. Broberg's size and skating ability allow him to have the most potential but right now Soderstrom, Bjornfot and i'd say Harley have a better hockey sense right now. Room for growth is much more than anyone other then Byram if a team feels that the hockey sense could improve.

- manvanfan



I do want to say I am not campaigning for Broberg. I am saying I think the Canucks are interested in him. I don't mind if it is him Soder Vlasic Seider York or Harley

I am saying though I won't mind if they select him
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Apr 28 @ 9:21 PM ET
Oh so true. Again i wanted a trade down for McAvoy RHD if we didn’t pick Sergachev over OJ. Didn’t so i live with it. Tkachuk woulda made most here much happier but D was a big hole & no depth for us & imo it was JB’s BPA/need pick.
- Nighthawk

I wanted sergachev that draft. And makar in the other.
I want byram this draft. Hopefully we will actually land the good Dman this time
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:22 PM ET
Go through the draft history over the last 20 years and see how how many forwards on average in the first round make the NHL and then figure out how many of them are impact players . Then do the same with the D

I am pretty sure Canucks would be looking at the 9 th best forward.

Will your odds of drafting an impact player come with drafting a Dman or forward?

- VANTEL


I’m not liking the odds at all bro. So much is reliant on luck & who the 9 ahead of us get picked. More 2nds & 3rds are my want along with a trade down being a real option if any team wants to move up & make us take their offer. Unlikely. Trades are more important for us to do & let McEwen get a shot. The D needs an overhaul & let OJ slot in. Sure ppl won’t agree with me on that but wtf not? Cap management is my biggest focus & our biggest asset to use wisely. Many teams are ripe for us to deal with.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:24 PM ET
I wanted sergachev that draft. And makar in the other.
I want byram this draft. Hopefully we will actually land the good Dman this time

- SMBDragon

All 3 were my wants also. Lottery luck got in our way 😂😂
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 28 @ 9:29 PM ET
Go through the draft history over the last 20 years and see how how many forwards on average in the first round make the NHL and then figure out how many of them are impact players . Then do the same with the D

I am pretty sure Canucks would be looking at the 9 th best forward.

Will your odds of drafting an impact player come with drafting a Dman or forward?

- VANTEL

It would be nice if drafting was that simple, fortunately it isn’t. 2017 we drafted 5th but got the best forward in Petterson. 2013 we drafted 9th and probably got the 5th best forward in the draft. 2015 Boeser is arguably the 6th best forward and he was taken 23rd overall.

Your odds of drafting an impact forward at #9 are huge if you choose wisely, therein lies the problem. Choosing wisely.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Apr 28 @ 9:31 PM ET
Utica needs an overhaul & better luck on injuries that being the Canucks not strapping them with call-ups for so many long injuries. Dipietro will be a nice add. The prospects are not prospering & hurting our development. Get the farm in better shape is an organizational must.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 28 @ 9:36 PM ET
I do want to say I am not campaigning for Broberg. I am saying I think the Canucks are interested in him. I don't mind if it is him Soder Vlasic Seider York or Harley

I am saying though I won't mind if they select him

- VANTEL

For me, drafting is a huge crap shoot and I'd prefer the BPA at the pick to be the BPA but it doesn't ever work that way. As long as they aren't a complete bust and drop 20 spots in a re-draft, i'd be fine with it.

Example Timo Meier taken 9th has been passed by Boeser, Connor, Barzal, Aho, Ratanen, Konecny so far. Still a very good player for the Sharks
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