Not that i disagree with this line of thinking, because I do get what you're saying, but an RNH trade means swapping cap hits. Assuming its some kind of 1-for-1 with Risto, the cost to the cap is 600k for two more years. Emphasis on two, since hayes would be getting a brand new deal, which the bulk of would come out of his prime.
- Sabresfan-365

So you would be ok trading for RNH who will be a UFA in 2 years and by then could be asking for $8m and will be two years older?
I'd rather sign Hayes now for $6m. He's much bigger and stronger than RNH. Would not cost any assets to acquire. Also, comes from the same hometown as our #1 center which could be a positive for both players.

Taco you have to post a better link or save the image and re-upload it Swear it’s like reading through a book

But anyway I never said I was killing for RNH he’s meh to me but cheaper and younger
- gerbe75pts

Sorry, they're showing up on my screen at least.

https://evolving-hockey.com/

Go there, click on the RAPM pulldown, RAPM charts, compare Hayes and RNH for 1 and 3 seasons.

There really was nothing there that is suspension worthy

He is the biggest POS in the league but if the league suspended him for that there would thousands of clips sent into the league from teams daily.

A fine does no good there either cause whats $5,000 to him?
- Stripes77

I would have been ok with only a fine. A fine would go on record.

So you would be ok trading for RNH who will be a UFA in 2 years and by then could be asking for $8m and will be two years older?
I'd rather sign Hayes now for $6m. He's much bigger and stronger than RNH. Would not cost any assets to acquire. Also, comes from the same hometown as our #1 center which could be a positive for both players.
- adambuffalo

Yeah if RNH is good enough during the two years he's here to warrant asking for 8 mil at the age of 28/29, we're probably a contending team and nobody complains.

If it is seen by an official during a game it is a minor penalty

Nothing more, nothing less
- Stripes77

If it was the first time we'd seen him do something like this, sure that's all that is needed.

He's going to keep doing it if he gets away with it. If the league actually wants to curb this kind of behaviour and even as I'm typing I realize how ridiculous that sounds so nevermind.

So you would be ok trading for RNH who will be a UFA in 2 years and by then could be asking for $8m and will be two years older?
I'd rather sign Hayes now for $6m. He's much bigger and stronger than RNH. Would not cost any assets to acquire. Also, comes from the same hometown as our #1 center which could be a positive for both players.
- adambuffalo

Who produces more?

RNH has 4 50 point seasons one of which was a 69 point season

Hayes has 1 50 point season a career high of 54 points

points per game average:

Hayes .5984
RNH .7087

I get your points about having to give up assets and such but at the end of the day I want the player that produces more

He turned 26 literally 2 weeks ago. Lol.
- JVince11

Still 6m if we traded for him so we saved 1.5m on the ROR deal .. Great lol

Then I can have people say but we saved 1.5!!!!!! We needed that space

Who produces more?

RNH has 4 50 point seasons one of which was a 69 point season

Hayes has 1 50 point season a career high of 54 points

points per game average:

Hayes .5984
RNH .7087

I get your points about having to give up assets and such but at the end of the day I want the player that produces more
- Stripes77

I also don't think the Oilers have any interest in trading away forwards. Their forwards are almost as bad as our forwards, and RNH is one of the only good ones. I don't see how it's a fit, unless they wanted to swap RNH for Reinhart.

Still 6m if we traded for him so we saved 1.5m on the ROR deal .. Great lol

Then I can have people say but we saved 1.5!!!!!! We needed that space
- gerbe75pts

That’s probably my fav part of the trade u know who argument
“But we saved the Cap Space”

Yeah... so that now we can go use it to sign an inferior player
Ugh

Sorry, they're showing up on my screen at least.

https://evolving-hockey.com/

Go there, click on the RAPM pulldown, RAPM charts, compare Hayes and RNH for 1 and 3 seasons.
- TheSabresTaco

After seeing RNH was 6m I don’t want him
That means in 2 years will have to give 7.5
So basically you’re signing Ryan O’Reilly again But is nothing like him

Go sabres

That’s probably my fav part of the trade u know who argument
“But we saved the Cap Space”

Yeah... so that now we can go use it to sign an inferior player
Ugh
- jdfitz77

Yes let’s sign Kevin Hayes .. then People next year can say damn if only we didn’t sign Hayes we could sign hall

Yes let’s sign Kevin Hayes .. then People next year can say damn if only we didn’t sign Hayes we could sign hall
- gerbe75pts

*potentially

Another good read by Vogl:

What the Sabres need to do.

https://theathletic.com/9...res-offseason-to-do-list/

After seeing RNH was 6m I don’t want him
That means in 2 years will have to give 7.5
So basically you’re signing Ryan O’Reilly again But is nothing like him

Go sabres
- gerbe75pts

So in 2 years you're paying someone 7.5 million against a cap that will be 84 million by then which will be 8.9% of the cap

But ROR was counting for 10.5% of the cap when his deal was signed

Please stop comparing deals that are going to be signed in 2 against deals that were signed 3 years ago

Hold up RNH is a UFA next year ? Lol then
https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0

I also don't think the Oilers have any interest in trading away forwards. Their forwards are almost as bad as our forwards, and RNH is one of the only good ones. I don't see how it's a fit, unless they wanted to swap RNH for Reinhart.
- jcragcrumple

This is a good point

I think the Sabres missed their chance to rob the Oilers when Chirelli was still employed

Hold up RNH is a UFA next year ? Lol then
https://youtu.be/-K7fCQlUhj0
- gerbe75pts

God you're bad at this

2019-2020 and 2020-2021 season he is under contract

His next contract will kick in for the 2021-2022 season

So he has 2 more season (starting next season) left on his deal

This is a good point

I think the Sabres missed their chance to rob the Oilers when Chirelli was still employed
- Stripes77

Taylor Hall

Taylor Hall
- Sabresfan-365

I don't wanna talk about it...

It's a one for one deal

I don't wanna talk about it...

It's a one for one deal


- Stripes77

Some wounds are not meant to be opened...

God you're bad at this

2019-2020 and 2020-2021 season he is under contract

His next contract will kick in for the 2021-2022 season

So he has 2 more season (starting next season) left on his deal
- Stripes77

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/2020/ufa/

Let's slow down here.... Casey is not that bad... he is only 20 years old but he had *checks notes* OMG he only had f'n 25 points in 77 games!?!?!?!!?!?!


- JVince11

Warren Foegle had 15 points in 77. Rob Thomas had 33 in 70 but was placed in a better situation to succeed. Mitts will be fine once we get him some help.

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/2020/ufa/
- gerbe75pts

https://www.capfriendly.c...ayers/ryan-nugent-hopkins

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ryan-nugent-hopkins-8182/


Their tracker is wrong even according to their own page on him

Here is a hint Spotrac sucks

Use capfriendly all the time

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/browse/free-agents/2021

I know we don't trade with Toronto. But would anyone do Jake McCabe for Andreas Johnsson? Each team has a major need fulfilled.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/ryan-nugent-hopkins

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ryan-nugent-hopkins-8182/


Their tracker is wrong even according to their own page on him

Here is a hint Spotrac sucks

Use capfriendly all the time
- Stripes77

For anything but football