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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

May 2 @ 1:39 PM ET
No beer on Keto = Wedgie never going on Keto.
- Atomic Wedgie


That is one of the toughest parts. I can live with Vodka and soda, barely, for a short period of time.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

May 2 @ 1:42 PM ET
Or pizza for that matter.

"Hey, here's an idea to lose weight.. Don't eat pizza or drink beer"

Oh yeah, here's another idea... "shut the frank up"

- PatC80


the problem is quantity...

eating a couple of pieces of pizza and having a beer or two is not going to materially effective anyone who weighs more than 180lbs.

watching the Leafs and and the NHL officiating however causes me to routinely go past the above suggested quantities...

I blame hockey.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

May 2 @ 1:50 PM ET
What have I done?
I 'll take it all back!

HE'S NOT RANKED IN THE TOP 150 - CAPISCE?

- 21peter




PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 2 @ 1:50 PM ET
the problem is quantity...

eating a couple of pieces of pizza and having a beer or two is not going to materially effective anyone who weighs more than 180lbs.

watching the Leafs and and the NHL officiating however causes me to routinely go past the above suggested quantities...

I blame hockey.

- BorjeFan4Ever

GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

May 2 @ 1:50 PM ET
Or pizza for that matter.

"Hey, here's an idea to lose weight.. Don't eat pizza or drink beer"

Oh yeah, here's another idea... "shut the frank up"

- PatC80


Yeah, I prefer it the other way around. Only beer and pizza diet.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

May 2 @ 1:54 PM ET
Just a horrible pick, and honestly, it was unforgivable. They went WAY off the board.
- Aetherial


I thought that, too, and it's true. With more context to it, though, I went back and looked at the 2016 draft rankings from a number of sources. It turns out that Korshkov wasn't entirely unheard of.

The Leafs at 31 had a number of options available - like DeBrincat, Pu, Hart, Dahlen, Fox, Raddysh. If you follow an average ranking model, they should have taken Cliff Pu, although only 2 scouting reports listed him in the top 30; DeBrincat was listed by 8, but slightly lower on average than Pu. DeBrincat was overall the obvious choice by most conventional ranking models.

Korshkov was ranked the #7 European Skater. Context-wise, Grundstrom was ranked #6. After Matthews, Laine, and Puljujarvi, there was a steep drop off to Asplund at 4.

No matter how you slice it, Korshkov was a peculiar pick.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 2 @ 1:54 PM ET
what about Dubas gives you the impression he's a "take charge" type....

he made a grand statement back in the summer of 2018... we'll get them all signed....

and to date he HAS gotten 2 signed.. .but I don't think anyone would attempt to argue he got ANY KIND of discount.

this isn't a case where Dubas has the luxury of waiting at all, he needs the Marner deal by the draft, if its not his best opportunity for deals/hockey trades is at the draft - and by his own admission Marner's contract is the first and most influencial domino.

I hope the Leafs are able to sign Ilya Mikheyev in addition to Korschkov, as that will continue to give him options.

I really wish that the Leafs would shut down all communications - state that they are going to negotiate with Marner between A and B, and then announce Marners deal, and Kapanen's deal and Johnsson's deal or trade along with Nylander's trade all on the same day.

the talking heads would all be corked (which would be a beautiful thing) and he(Dubas) would appear to be in charge - as opposed to flailing

- BorjeFan4Ever


I think he may be conducting business with Marner that way given what he said. It's gotta get done is a message to Marner's side that he will be setting a deadline and considering other options rather than letting it drag into the fall.

Bobby Mac pointed out that Kapanen and Johnsson really have little leverage so they can sit/wait whatever and are likely to both get short term deals.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 1:56 PM ET
I thought that, too, and it's true. With more context to it, though, I went back and looked at the 2016 draft rankings from a number of sources. It turns out that Korshkov wasn't entirely unheard of.

The Leafs at 31 had a number of options available - like DeBrincat, Pu, Hart, Dahlen, Fox, Raddysh. If you follow an average ranking model, they should have taken Cliff Pu, although only 2 scouting reports listed him in the top 30; DeBrincat was listed by 8, but slightly lower on average than Pu. DeBrincat was overall the obvious choice by most conventional ranking models.

Korshkov was ranked the #7 European Skater. Context-wise, Grundstrom was ranked #6. After Matthews, Laine, and Puljujarvi, there was a steep drop off to Asplund at 4.

No matter how you slice it, Korshkov was a peculiar pick.

- Monkeypunk

The fact that DeBrincat could score back to back 50g 100p seasons before his draft year and not be in the first round tells a lot about how backwards and safe most scouts are.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 2:00 PM ET
the problem is quantity...

eating a couple of pieces of pizza and having a beer or two is not going to materially effective anyone who weighs more than 180lbs.

watching the Leafs and and the NHL officiating however causes me to routinely go past the above suggested quantities...

I blame hockey.

- BorjeFan4Ever

A few years ago, my brother announced that he had Celiac disease. How he felt so much better since he cut wheat out of his diet.

No, brother, you feel better because you cut beer and pizza at 11 pm out of your diet.

I think it lasted about four months before he was magically cured of Celiac disease.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

May 2 @ 2:01 PM ET
I thought that, too, and it's true. With more context to it, though, I went back and looked at the 2016 draft rankings from a number of sources. It turns out that Korshkov wasn't entirely unheard of.

The Leafs at 31 had a number of options available - like DeBrincat, Pu, Hart, Dahlen, Fox, Raddysh. If you follow an average ranking model, they should have taken Cliff Pu, although only 2 scouting reports listed him in the top 30; DeBrincat was listed by 8, but slightly lower on average than Pu. DeBrincat was overall the obvious choice by most conventional ranking models.

Korshkov was ranked the #7 European Skater. Context-wise, Grundstrom was ranked #6. After Matthews, Laine, and Puljujarvi, there was a steep drop off to Asplund at 4.

No matter how you slice it, Korshkov was a peculiar pick.

- Monkeypunk


Even he hasn't looked very good. Was awful in the first round against the Marlies.

And Grundstrom got 5 goals and 6 points in 15 games with LA at the end of the season.
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

May 2 @ 2:03 PM ET
The fact that DeBrincat could score back to back 50g 100p seasons before his draft year and not be in the first round tells a lot about how backwards and safe most scouts are.
- AdamFrench


It really does. For the Leafs, in particular, it almost made it seem like they had misgivings about the previous draft where Bracco and Marner were both undersized; if I recall correctly, while they were credited for drafting skill in guys like Dzierkals and Timashov, they were also undersized and neither have really panned out.

I do recall Dubas making a statement back then that studies had shown and proven that size wasn't really a key indicator when you were projecting player potential.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 2:07 PM ET
It really does. For the Leafs, in particular, it almost made it seem like they had misgivings about the previous draft where Bracco and Marner were both undersized; if I recall correctly, while they were credited for drafting skill in guys like Dzierkals and Timashov, they were also undersized and neither have really panned out.

I do recall Dubas making a statement back then that studies had shown and proven that size wasn't really a key indicator when you were projecting player potential.

- Monkeypunk

In 2016, we gambled on a couple of monster defencemen - they didn't pan out, but I didn't hate the picks, as they were middle rounders.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 2 @ 2:26 PM ET
A few years ago, my brother announced that he had Celiac disease. How he felt so much better since he cut wheat out of his diet.

No, brother, you feel better because you cut beer and pizza at 11 pm out of your diet.

I think it lasted about four months before he was magically cured of Celiac disease.

- Atomic Wedgie


I discovered this weird diet trick that improved all my metabolic numbers and has me shredded and feeling great. I eat tons of veggies, fruit, whole grains and lean protein, legumes, etc. Strictly limit sodium, added sugar and saturated fat. Which means very little processed or takeout. But I eat carbs, fat from nuts and seeds, avocado, etc. I do have cheat meals. Oh yeah, and constant exercise. I don't like my chances of starting a fad diet.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 2:28 PM ET
I discovered this weird diet trick that improved all my metabolic numbers and has me shredded and feeling great. I eat tons of veggies, fruit, whole grains and lean protein, legumes, etc. Strictly limit sodium, added sugar and saturated fat. Which means very little processed or takeout. But I eat carbs, fat from nuts and seeds, avocado, etc. I do have cheat meals. Oh yeah, and constant exercise. I don't like my chances of starting a fad diet.
- Zezel

So you eat proper foods in moderate amounts and exercise?

I'm calling B.S. That would never, ever work.

I'd rather do that diet where you can eat anything, as long as the food doesn't contain the letters "n" or "b".
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

May 2 @ 2:28 PM ET
I discovered this weird diet trick that improved all my metabolic numbers and has me shredded and feeling great. I eat tons of veggies, fruit, whole grains and lean protein, legumes, etc. Strictly limit sodium, added sugar and saturated fat. Which means very little processed or takeout. But I eat carbs, fat from nuts and seeds, avocado, etc. I do have cheat meals. Oh yeah, and constant exercise. I don't like my chances of starting a fad diet.
- Zezel


Sounds difficult..
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 2:30 PM ET
I discovered this weird diet trick that improved all my metabolic numbers and has me shredded and feeling great. I eat tons of veggies, fruit, whole grains and lean protein, legumes, etc. Strictly limit sodium, added sugar and saturated fat. Which means very little processed or takeout. But I eat carbs, fat from nuts and seeds, avocado, etc. I do have cheat meals. Oh yeah, and constant exercise. I don't like my chances of starting a fad diet.
- Zezel

I have an internet friend who is a kick-arse triathlete.

When he goes to a restaurant, he orders his food, and asks that before they bring it out, put half in the doggie bag.

That way, you aren't tempted to eat all of it because it is sitting in front of you.

I've never actually had the guts to do it, but it seems like a brilliant plan.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 2:33 PM ET
I have an internet friend who is a kick-arse triathlete.

When he goes to a restaurant, he orders his food, and asks that before they bring it out, put half in the doggie bag.

That way, you aren't tempted to eat all of it because it is sitting in front of you.

I've never actually had the guts to do it, but it seems like a brilliant plan.

- Atomic Wedgie

Your interweb friend racks a discipline.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 2 @ 2:35 PM ET
I have an internet friend who is a kick-arse triathlete.

When he goes to a restaurant, he orders his food, and asks that before they bring it out, put half in the doggie bag.

That way, you aren't tempted to eat all of it because it is sitting in front of you.

I've never actually had the guts to do it, but it seems like a brilliant plan.

- Atomic Wedgie

That is a good idea. I found eating smaller more frequent meals helps. And a balanced power food diet keeps you going longer on less. Eating the hell out of salmon, trout and nuts too. Omega 3s made my joints better I swear.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 2:38 PM ET


Bunch of slack jawed f.............
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 2 @ 2:42 PM ET


Bunch of slack jawed f.............

- AdamFrench

Eating insects would save the planet apparently. We should, they'll (frank)in eat us if we don't strike first.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 2 @ 2:42 PM ET
That is a good idea. I found eating smaller more frequent meals helps. And a balanced power food diet keeps you going longer on less. Eating the hell out of salmon, trout and nuts too. Omega 3s made my joints better I swear.
- Zezel

Here's some "food for thought"

BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

May 2 @ 2:45 PM ET
It really does. For the Leafs, in particular, it almost made it seem like they had misgivings about the previous draft where Bracco and Marner were both undersized; if I recall correctly, while they were credited for drafting skill in guys like Dzierkals and Timashov, they were also undersized and neither have really panned out.

I do recall Dubas making a statement back then that studies had shown and proven that size wasn't really a key indicator when you were projecting player potential.

- Monkeypunk


I always left with many questions about these drafts... I know its an unprecise science... but what irks me is you draft four or five guys (like the Leafs did) all of similar size, but with full knowledge that you can't successfully deploy a roster of 18 guys who are 5'10" and play the identical game.

extreme example - Tie Domi is 5'10" but clearly played an entirely different game than Marner does.

but the Leafs draft all these guys Johnsson(I view similarly), Dzierkals and Timashov, Bracco, before them Soshnikov, Moore, Brooks, Carcone, Der-Arguchintsev, while they may all have talents... how can you possibly develop them all at the same time... don't you need a some variation in the roster..

my point being opportunity is limited..
yet there are other needs on the Leafs roster that must be filled ...

someone in Leafs management said "we'll trade for that WITH TALENT" if we need to...

why not draft a few guys that can actually shave when they are drafted (Joking)... but any objective observer could say that any of Tom Wilson(WSH), Josh Anderson(CLB), Christian Fischer (ARZ), Ferland or Fogele (CAR) would not look bad in a Leaf jersey right now... and it is NOT the case that these guys are without talent.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

May 2 @ 2:46 PM ET
Eating insects would save the planet apparently. We should, they'll (frank)in eat us if we don't strike first.
- Zezel


I just killed the first mosquito of the year here in Scarborough.

Trillions of those little annoying flies that show up every year on my balcony and a mosquito.

It died like a female dog.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 2:47 PM ET
Eating insects would save the planet apparently. We should, they'll (frank)in eat us if we don't strike first.
- Zezel

My GF works at Ingenium here in Ottawa. Got us a free exclusive to a new Dutch "Artist" interpretation of the future of food. It was pretty fun. It pretends that it's of its time and you can listen to their explanations as either a producer or consumer.

I liked "Synthofood" creating a schism in humanity, the new "Lychen market taking the world by storm," "edible human skin" and my personal favourite...top chefs being challenged and rewarded by the government for creating dishes from the meats/veggies of invasive animals.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 2 @ 2:49 PM ET
In 2016, we gambled on a couple of monster defencemen - they didn't pan out, but I didn't hate the picks, as they were middle rounders.
- Atomic Wedgie


imo, this is the kind of mindset that has gotten the leafs where they are over the decades. taking flyers on low percentage players with picks just because, well its only a 4th
Having players like Point and Kucherov turn into top line talents on top of the Stamkos and Hedmans makes you elite. and before that Detroit has several examples

Not drafting 10 6'5 D hoping one turns into Chris Pronger and getting none.
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