in 15-16 when his zone starts flipped from 42% O-Zone in 14-15 to 53% O-Zone he had 3 more points in 1 more game playing 1:20 less a night.

Edit: He had 24 points in 51 games with Toronto before he was traded. He had 29 points in 70 games the year before with said 42% O-Zone starts. .07 more points per game with new starts and 1:41 less ice time.
- Wetbandit1

Now im just a common dolt, but I believe what you're saying is that proper useage and ice time made him a more valuable player.

I've been repeatedly told this is impossible, so to use the phrase popularized Adam Savage, "I reject your reality and substitute my own"

So basically a negligible difference and he still received top PP time that year for Toronto, correct?

I think people are underestimating just how much Dahlin is going to effect this situation.
- sbroads24

His on ice GF/GA tightened up it was 3.0/3.5 in the full season in 14-15 and 2.1/2.2 in the half season. He also went from -0.8 to 2.5 in CF% Rel. It's tough comparing 2 seasons against each other though. Though they were 24th and 27th in GF/GA in 14-15 and 27th and 27th in 15-16. So at least it was similar results, 68 points in 14-15 and 69 in 15-16.

Now im just a common dolt, but I believe what you're saying is that proper useage and ice time made him a more valuable player.

I've been repeatedly told this is impossible, so to use the phrase popularized Adam Savage, "I reject your reality and substitute my own"
- jcragcrumple

They must’ve got a haul for him

They must’ve got a haul for him
- sbroads24

Yeah, a 24 YEAR OLD defenseman who is RIGHT HANDED is gonna suffer the same lack of trade value as a LH guy who was 31

Come on dude
That’s a terrible comparison & u know it

They must’ve got a haul for him
- sbroads24

I actually think they would get value for him, more than services rendered. The question is: how long will that last?

They must’ve got a haul for him
- sbroads24

Chip, I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey

Yeah, a 24 YEAR OLD defenseman who is RIGHT HANDED is gonna suffer the same lack of trade value as a LH guy who was 31

Come on dude
That’s a terrible comparison & u know it
- jdfitz77

So his value didn’t “skyrocket” despite being put in a better spot with more favorable numbers? He was still viewed as overpaid and was a cap dump.

I’m totally fine if Risto stays on our 2nd or 3rd pair with Pilut because they actually worked well together.

Every other partner Risto has had they’ve been worse with him. And that’s not an opinion

O’Reilly being criticized for being invisible in the Dallas series.

Oh my

So his value didn’t “skyrocket” despite being put in a better spot with more favorable numbers? He was still viewed as overpaid and was a cap dump.

I’m totally fine if Risto stays on our 2nd or 3rd pair with Pilut because they actually worked well together.

Every other partner Risto has had they’ve been worse with him. And that’s not an opinion
- sbroads24

$5.4m on the 3rd Pairing is OK?
Too bad Bogo is RhD also, could have had an $11m 3rd Pairing!
Play that pair with say Sheary Sobotka Okposo...
There's $24m worth of crap

$5.4m on the 3rd Pairing is OK?
Too bad Bogo is RhD also, could have had an $11m 3rd Pairing!
Play that pair with say Sheary Sobotka Okposo...
There's $24m worth of crap
- IonSabres

It’s not ideal but I’m not moving him for nothing.

I would accept just about any young top 6’er though

If we don't sign simple man Lynrd Skinner, we need to trade for Mike Hoffman.

Call 911 and trade for the Andrew Copp.

Get more Swedes on the roster and book Abba for the opening weekend.

Trade Wristoe for blah blah blah and pick Byram with the 7th pick.

Sign Ben Hur Chiarot

Offer sheet Colin White and Will Butcher, because...you know...

It’s not ideal but I’m not moving him for nothing.

I would accept just about any young top 6’er though
- sbroads24

I get it.

I don't subscribe to the recommendations to make him a solid 3rd pairing at $5.4 though.
But hey, that is just my "blind hatred" showing through.

Oh, and hire Gronberg, case closed.
Lets go Botts!

Imagine that beard come p,payoff time.
He'll need a Beard Manager on the bench like NFL Coaches have a guy tethering the headset wire on the sideline!

Respect the beard!

If we don't sign simple man Lynrd Skinner, we need to trade for Mike Hoffman.

Call 911 and trade for the Andrew Copp.

Get more Swedes on the roster and book Abba for the opening weekend.

Trade Wristoe for blah blah blah and pick Byram with the 7th pick.

Sign Ben Hur Chiarot

Offer sheet Colin White and Will Butcher, because...you know...
- mhp

Post of the year, so far!

I get it.

I don't subscribe to the recommendations to make him a solid 3rd pairing at $5.4 though.
But hey, that is just my "blind hatred" showing through.

Oh, and hire Gronberg, case closed.
Lets go Botts!

Imagine that beard come p,payoff time.
He'll need a Beard Manager on the bench like NFL Coaches have a guy tethering the headset wire on the sideline!

Respect the beard!
- IonSabres

I’m with you 100%. It’s better to move him.

It all depends on what else he has planned.

Post of the year, so far!
- IonSabres

If we don't sign simple man Lynrd Skinner, we need to trade for Mike Hoffman.

Call 911 and trade for the Andrew Copp.

Get more Swedes on the roster and book Abba for the opening weekend.

Trade Wristoe for blah blah blah and pick Byram with the 7th pick.

Sign Ben Hur Chiarot

Offer sheet Colin White and Will Butcher, because...you know...
- mhp

- jcragcrumple

ok, Dethklok can open for Abba then. win-win

ok, Dethklok can open for Abba then. win-win
- mhp

That's an interesting crowd

yeet

yeet
- chilliard77

August apathy has crept in early

andy delmore= risto?


asking for a friend

andy delmore= risto?


asking for a friend
- homiedclown

Jake Muzzin=Risto?

Minus the terrible +/- of course 😉

O’Reilly being criticized for being invisible in the Dallas series.

Oh my
- sbroads24

Pretty ridiculous that u criticize me for defending ROR when ppl bring him up,
yet you can’t help but take a shot at him at every opportunity u get

Just for 1 day...
maybe try talking about players u like,
instead of the constant bashing of your usuals

Oh man (frank) Carolina

You most definitely keep McCabe. I'd bring back Myers too.

I'm not trading ristolainen until you guarantee me a top 3 forward.

That's where I stand.