Both are 21.
Marner didnt play with jt the year before.
I get the center and goals thing.
But that doesnt add up to millions less

I hope it does....my gawd i hope it does.
- Fakepartofme

Which is why he wasn’t a PPG player, Matthews was.

I'm on the side of truth and objectivity.

Dubas (frank)ed up with contract #1 and #2. It's going to be hard for him to not (frank) up #3.
- JohnFergusonJr

Ok Max

Which is why he wasn’t a PPG player, Matthews was.
- Steven_Seagull

Matthews' career PPG: .97

Marner's career PPG: .93

.04 difference. That's basically an irrelevant difference. Especially when you consider Marner's only ever missed 5 games and usually PPG goes up when fewer games are played.

And Matthews had Nylander for year 1 and 2 when Nylander wasn't borderline useless and Marner had to drag Bozak and JVR on his back for two years.

If we cant sign marner , what do yo think of a trade between Toronto and avalanche.

AVS- marner

TOR - both first round picks this year and makar.

then try and sign pannarin.

draft bowen byram..

So he got 11mil because thy knew he'd have to pay for expensive American surgery.

Matthews' career PPG: .97

Marner's career PPG: .93

.04 difference. That's basically an irrelevant difference. Especially when you consider Marner's only ever missed 5 games and usually PPG goes up when fewer games are played.

And Matthews had Nylander for year 1 and 2 when Nylander wasn't borderline useless and Marner had to drag Bozak and JVR on his back for two years.
- JohnFergusonJr

The point is that Marner wasn't that high until this year's numbers got inflated playing with John Tavares, while Matthews was playing with Kapanen and Johnsson.

And I thought everyone hated Nylander, now we're suggesting he's the reason Matthews had higher ppg than Marner in their first few seasons? It's not like JVR wasn't offensively gifted either. Marner helped him, but he was a decent trigger man for Marner to set up.

Before this season, Matthews' ppg was 0.92
Before this season, Marner was at 0.82 ppg.

Suddenly this year Marner went from 69 points to 94, when playing with JT. You don't think that's connected?

Matthews' career PPG: .97

Marner's career PPG: .93

.04 difference. That's basically an irrelevant difference. Especially when you consider Marner's only ever missed 5 games and usually PPG goes up when fewer games are played.

And Matthews had Nylander for year 1 and 2 when Nylander wasn't borderline useless and Marner had to drag Bozak and JVR on his back for two years.
- JohnFergusonJr

Marner’s career GPG: .28

Matthews’ career GPG: .52


Matthews actually played more with Brown than Nylander in year 1. JVR was a consistent 20+ goal guy.

Marner played with a 30 goal scorer in Kadri for half the year, played 20 more games, yet had just 6 more points than Matthews in year 2.

Year 3... Tavares vs Kapanen. Seems equal.

The point is that Marner wasn't that high until this year's numbers got inflated playing with John Tavares, while Matthews was playing with Kapanen and Johnsson.

And I thought everyone hated Nylander, now we're suggesting he's the reason Matthews had higher ppg than Marner in their first few seasons? It's not like JVR wasn't offensively gifted either. Marner helped him, but he was a decent trigger man for Marner to set up.

Before this season, Matthews' ppg was 0.92
Before this season, Marner was at 0.82 ppg.

Suddenly this year Marner went from 69 points to 94, when playing with JT. You don't think that's connected?
- Thecakeisalie

The point is that Marner wasn't that high until this year's numbers got inflated playing with John Tavares, while Matthews was playing with Kapanen and Johnsson.

And I thought everyone hated Nylander, now we're suggesting he's the reason Matthews had higher ppg than Marner in their first few seasons? It's not like JVR wasn't offensively gifted either. Marner helped him, but he was a decent trigger man for Marner to set up.

Before this season, Matthews' ppg was 0.92
Before this season, Marner was at 0.82 ppg.

Suddenly this year Marner went from 69 points to 94, when playing with JT. You don't think that's connected?
- Thecakeisalie

All because Marner was better in the 2018 playoffs, and been gifted a superstar centerman, people actually think he’s better than Matthews.


2017 + 2019 playoffs

Matthews: .85 PPG (playing with Kapanen in 2019)

Marner: .62 PPG (playing with Tavares in 2019)

All because Marner was better in the 2018 playoffs, and been gifted a superstar centerman, people actually think he’s better than Matthews.


2017 + 2019 playoffs

Matthews: .85 PPG (playing with Kapanen in 2019)

Marner: .62 PPG (playing with Tavares in 2019)
- Steven_Seagull

Yeah. Maybe we can finally put this, "Matthews doesn't show up in the important games, like the playoffs, like Marner does" narrative to rest too.

Marner is great, but he doesn't deserve as much as Matthews. And I'm damn glad of that and hope Dubas hammers that home during negotiations.

The point is that Marner wasn't that high until this year's numbers got inflated playing with John Tavares, while Matthews was playing with Kapanen and Johnsson.

And I thought everyone hated Nylander, now we're suggesting he's the reason Matthews had higher ppg than Marner in their first few seasons? It's not like JVR wasn't offensively gifted either. Marner helped him, but he was a decent trigger man for Marner to set up.

Before this season, Matthews' ppg was 0.92
Before this season, Marner was at 0.82 ppg.

Suddenly this year Marner went from 69 points to 94, when playing with JT. You don't think that's connected?
- Thecakeisalie

Tavares set career highs in goals. That's not connected?

Marner’s career GPG: .28

Matthews’ career GPG: .52


Matthews actually played more with Brown than Nylander in year 1. JVR was a consistent 20+ goal guy.

Marner played with a 30 goal scorer in Kadri for half the year, played 20 more games, yet had just 6 more points than Matthews in year 2.

Year 3... Tavares vs Kapanen. Seems equal.
- Steven_Seagull

.97 vs .93

It is pretty equal.

Tavares set career highs in goals. That's not connected?
- JohnFergusonJr

JT got 4 points more than his career high. Marner got 25 more points.

.97 vs .93

It is pretty equal.
- JohnFergusonJr

One is a goal scoring center who doesn’t play with Tavares.

The other is not a goal scoring center who does play with Tavares.

.97 vs .93

It is pretty equal.
- JohnFergusonJr

Goals are more valuable than assists.

JT got 4 points more than his career high. Marner got 25 more points.
- Thecakeisalie

All 3 suck and are overpaid

All 3 suck and are overpaid
- AdamFrench

You're just jealous spatso Frenchie.

All 3 suck and are overpaid
- AdamFrench

I suppose this is the best chance we have for a consensus. I'll agree with this.

Its because of AM's contract. Why would marner take millions less than matthews?
Not the medias fault
- Fakepartofme

The problem is Marner is not a centre. 11.5 makes him by far the highest paid winger in NHL history. I am confused why he is supposed to get millions more than Rantanen and Point.

I really think the media does hurt the Leafs with contract negotiations.

Tampa Bay tax discount. Same as Kucherov. And Stamkos. And the rest of their players.

If Kucherov got 9.5 for 100+ points and Stamkos got 8.5 for 60 goals, Point will get 7-8 for 40 goals.

Point also had two much weaker seasons before this one.
- JohnFergusonJr

The problem I have with this is Leaf stars are getting millions more in endorsements and the signing bonuses also pay more in interest and are taxed less. But everyone ignores that.

Jet fan weighing in,
I think it’s ridiculous how fast salaries have gone up in the last 2-3 years. Shiefele will make 6.1 for the next 6 years, MacKinnon will make 6.3 for the next 5. Obviously I’m happy about Shiefele’s deal but Connor and Laine haven’t earned what they are going to ask and receive this summer, nor have other recent young players around the league.

Teams used to (and sadly, to many still do) over pay Aging UFA’s for what they did in past. Teams think they are correcting that by now over paying young players for what you think they are going to do. Teams are wrong. Right now, agents are winning.

If we cant sign marner , what do yo think of a trade between Toronto and avalanche.

AVS- marner

TOR - both first round picks this year and makar.

then try and sign pannarin.

draft bowen byram..
- targaryn

Marner is great but if I’m the Avs I’m not making this trade.

Marner is great but if I’m the Avs I’m not making this trade.
- Ross77

But an offersheet is 4 1sts for Marner.

I'd want more for Marner.

Is "Taxes" the most lazy, misunderstood argument in hockey?