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Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 2 @ 8:12 PM ET
(frank)ing salary cap.

Look what it does to us.

Here I am wasting my time arguing against Marner getting a higher salary, which is hard to do without disparaging the player in question somehow, meanwhile he's my favorite player.

- Thecakeisalie

Yeah..

Mitchy is maybe my fav too.. idk I love them all equally, or try..

But 4 1sts would give them so much flexibility.

This all could have been avoided if Dubas was more firm with Willy, or opened the door to trading him.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:13 PM ET
Goals > Assists.

It's always been viewed this way and players that score more get paid more. It's the way it is man. How do you not know this?

- Thecakeisalie


68 assists. 52 primary assists.

Whether a guy scores 50 or assists 50; 50 goals were scored because of that player either way you cut it.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mitch Marner sucks
Joined: 03.03.2016

May 2 @ 8:13 PM ET
Not really. Marner is a primary assist machine who creates something out of nothing pretty often.

And he always works hard. He plays defense.

- JohnFergusonJr



He’s a RH shot. Pair him Rielly. Problem solved. Probably better in the d-zone than Karlsson.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:13 PM ET
Yeah..

Mitchy is maybe my fav too.. idk I love them all equally, or try..

But 4 1sts would give them so much flexibility.

This all could have been avoided if Dubas was more firm with Willy, or opened the door to trading him.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


That door should be kicked open. It clears space and it can bring back defense.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 2 @ 8:13 PM ET
It’s overall body of work..

Dumbasses on twitter today were saying Nylander > Marner because of 5vs5 play or some poop. That’s the problem, everyone puts too much stock in whatever stat they’re using to prove their point.

The most (frank)ed up thing is that’s it’s obvious to me that the formula to success revolves around strong team chemistry. So everyone squabbling over getting thier share can’t be good for that. Kappys getting squeezed out, you think Mitch gives a (frank)? Nope. People are right, there’s a major cap issue. We can’t sign them all, nor should Dubas try. I love MM AM and WN, but one is to go. And if we can get 4 1sts for Mitch that’s good, let someone else overpay him.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Willie will be gone before marner.
Its just too bad willies value is low right now.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

May 2 @ 8:14 PM ET
proper playoff hockey
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:15 PM ET
Willie will be gone before marner.
Its just too bad willies value us low right now.

- Fakepartofme


That is rather unfortunate.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 8:15 PM ET
proper playoff hockey
- 21peter

Boston's PP must be giving RJ heart attacks.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 2 @ 8:15 PM ET
Or they can trade Brown and Zaitsev? And that top 4 D might be on the Marlies.
- RogerRoeper

Are hopes are on a maybe again? Damn
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

May 2 @ 8:16 PM ET
Boston's PP must be giving RJ heart attacks.
- AdamFrench

nice bonus
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 2 @ 8:16 PM ET
That door should be kicked open. It clears space and it can bring back defense.
- JohnFergusonJr


Nylander right?
hawk35
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: NF
Joined: 08.26.2009

May 2 @ 8:16 PM ET
Jenner
- AdamFrench


Still almost 5 minutes left, but what an entertaining period of hockey.

Great stuff!!!
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

May 2 @ 8:18 PM ET
The Rat (frank)ed up again
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:19 PM ET
Nylander right?
- Garnie


100%.

Ideally, Marleau retires, Nylander stays 1 more year, has a good year and then gets moved for some real help on D.

Then again, considering the Leafs don't "need" their 1st round pick as much as they use to, perhaps moving their 1st with Nylander is enough to bridge the gap between where his value currently is and where it should be.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 2 @ 8:23 PM ET
100%.

Ideally, Marleau retires, Nylander stays 1 more year, has a good year and then gets moved for some real help on D.

Then again, considering the Leafs don't "need" their 1st round pick as much as they use to, perhaps moving their 1st with Nylander is enough to bridge the gap between where his value currently is and where it should be.

- JohnFergusonJr

Doesn’t sound like he’s retiring, I’ve set my sites on 2020-2021 of the Leafs making a good run. It could happen next year, but we’ll need some surprises from some Marlies I think.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 2 @ 8:23 PM ET
100%.

Ideally, Marleau retires, Nylander stays 1 more year, has a good year and then gets moved for some real help on D.

Then again, considering the Leafs don't "need" their 1st round pick as much as they use to, perhaps moving their 1st with Nylander is enough to bridge the gap between where his value currently is and where it should be.

- JohnFergusonJr

Marleau retiring doesnt help our cap
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

May 2 @ 8:24 PM ET
That is rather unfortunate.
- JohnFergusonJr

If he gets back up the 60pts next year, everything will be fine.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

May 2 @ 8:25 PM ET
Doesn’t sound like he’s retiring, I’ve set my sites on 2020-2021 of the Leafs making a good run. It could happen next year, but we’ll need some surprises from some Marlies I think.
- Garnie

Oh great! MOAR CAP PROBLEMS! FIRE DUMBAS!
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 2 @ 8:26 PM ET
Willie will be gone before marner.
Its just too bad willies value is low right now.

- Fakepartofme

You live you learn.

From this point forward, I want Dubas to be an authoritarian. Marner has to get done, and I think they’re willing to go to Matthews’ money. But they’ll have to make some moves and it has to be Nylander. How else would they fit Marner under the cap?
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 2 @ 8:26 PM ET
I might just have to stay away from these boards until Marner is signed because seeing Leaf fans actually ponder four firsts for Marner, that is just beyond anything. I can't even.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:27 PM ET
Doesn’t sound like he’s retiring, I’ve set my sites on 2020-2021 of the Leafs making a good run. It could happen next year, but we’ll need some surprises from some Marlies I think.
- Garnie


He needs to retire. Enough is enough. He got his chance, he got his money, he's finished. It's over.

The Leafs D next year shouldn't be any better than it was last year.
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 2 @ 8:27 PM ET
Marleau retiring doesnt help our cap
- Fakepartofme


July 2nd, Arizona.

If he gets back up the 60pts next year, everything will be fine.
- Fakepartofme


Needs to be better than 60 at almost 7 AAV.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 2 @ 8:28 PM ET
If he gets back up the 60pts next year, everything will be fine.
- Fakepartofme

No. (frank) that..

60 pts gets you 7 mil????

Ennis could get 60pts playing on Auston’s wing.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Retired, ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 2 @ 8:29 PM ET
I might just have to stay away from these boards until Marner is signed because seeing Leaf fans actually ponder four firsts for Marner, that is just beyond anything. I can't even.
- Zezel

Marners not going anywhere...

Nylander is.
Thecakeisalie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Imagine something funny
Joined: 01.27.2010

May 2 @ 8:29 PM ET
68 assists. 52 primary assists.

Whether a guy scores 50 or assists 50; 50 goals were scored because of that player either way you cut it.

- JohnFergusonJr


Have you done any homework on how players get paid more for primary assists compared to secondary? Or how people with the same number of primary assists get paid the same as those with the same amount of goals?

I doubt it. You're talking out of your ass.
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