Been a while.

What he's done lately is a mess. But he did something a million years ago
- burn

But he did do something, right?

But he did do something, right?
- aminnes

Yes and that means ignore all he's done since?

Yes and that means ignore all he's done since?
- burn

Not at all. But there is something that has been done. I wouldn't put nothing having been done as necessarily better than having done something.

Not at all. But there is something that has been done. I wouldn't put nothing having been done as necessarily better than having done something.
- aminnes

What? in what sense. Our gm has been on the job less than a year

You're so dense you don't even know what you're arguing. The irony of all this post and your previous post is just epic. Don't know if it's on purpose or really are this dense.

I never said he had one thing on his resume.

Was talking about how they got to the ohl, so "broke records in the ohl" didn't get him an ohl job did it?

"Played in the nhl" is prerequisite for sports management, so....


I said Hunter got ohl job because he bought the team and made himself gm. That is an indisputable fact. He didn't work his way up.

You're off trying to argue everything and anything and making poop up, but you're not the dense one. You out here Hockeybuzzing
- burn

You’re right, I shouldn’t have used what he did after he bought the team, but it’s not like he went from NHL player to owner of the Knights did he? I mentioned that he coached in the OHL and AHL before but you ignored.

That’s it, we’ll just ignore each other as usual from here on.

Here's am interesting question. If Ken Holland had shown interest in the GM job of the Leafs at the time they were moving on from Lou, would you have preferred Holland or Dubas?
- aminnes

Dubas by far.

What? in what sense. Our gm has been on the job less than a year
- burn

That's what I'm saying. I don't put stock in a guy that has no accomplishments necessarily or that does necessarily. In other words, Holland isn't automatically done yet at being a good GM, and like you said, Dubas hasn't been there long enough so we don't know yet.

You’re right, I shouldn’t have used what he did after he bought the team, but it’s not like he went from NHL player to owner of the Knights did he? I mentioned that he coached in the OHL and AHL before but you ignored.

That’s it, we’ll just ignore each other as usual from here on.
- Garnie

He coached, yes is that really learning team management? I didn't mention it because I don't concider coaching to be part of the management.

Again my point was how he got there. He has zero experience in any form of scouting or management. But people were saying how he earned it and moved up.

That's what I'm saying. I don't put stock in a guy that has no accomplishments necessarily or that does necessarily. In other words, Holland isn't automatically done yet at being a good GM, and like you said, Dubas hasn't been there long enough so we don't know yet.
- aminnes

You must be a big fan of Babcock then and hate the Keefe idea.

That's what I'm saying. I don't put stock in a guy that has no accomplishments necessarily or that does necessarily. In other words, Holland isn't automatically done yet at being a good GM, and like you said, Dubas hasn't been there long enough so we don't know yet.
- aminnes

So why do we have to make a change? He's been here a year barely and is doing well, but let's change to the old guy who's doing terrible for last several years.

new blog everyone

You must be a big fan of Babcock then and hate the Keefe idea.
- RogerRoeper

Nope. Keefe seems reasonable, and Babs does some weird poop. My issue is with the analytics philosophy being too strong. There's a place for it but it seems like it's more important than it should be with this club. If that's the case I don't think it matters who the coach is.

Nope. Keefe seems reasonable, and Babs does some weird poop. My issue is with the analytics philosophy being too strong. There's a place for it but it seems like it's more important than it should be with this club. If that's the case I don't think it matters who the coach is.
- aminnes

Leafs are spending additional 50 million in analystics. Don't blame that all on Dubas. Shanahan is obviously a big fan to get MLSE to pay that.

Leafs need a coach that plays his best players,. That's how you win. He's just bliinded for his love of flawed players like Marleau, Hyman and Hainsey.

It doesn't make sense to do all of thatw ith analytics and then have Babcock as coach

So why do we have to make a change? He's been here a year barely and is doing well, but let's change to the old guy who's doing terrible for last several years.
- burn

I never said to make a change. I simply put out the reality of who he is and how he got there. He's not going anywhere now. If I were to make a prediction I think he will go down as another failure. That's my opinion, but until we see how he handles things who knows. This offseason will be very very tricky for anyone to maneuver, experienced or not.

Leafs are spending additional 50 million in analystics. Don't blame that all on Dubas. Shanahan is obviously a big fan to get MLSE to pay that.

Leafs need a coach that plays his best players,. That's how you win. He's just bliinded for his love of flawed players like Marleau, Hyman and Hainsey.
- RogerRoeper

Ultimately it's not only on Dubas. He was brought in because he believes in it and will implement it, at least it seems. IMO analytics will fail as a model for any team that puts too much emphasis on it. It has a place, but it shouldn't be the engine IMO.

Ultimately it's not only on Dubas. He was brought in because he believes in it and will implement it, at least it seems. IMO analytics will fail as a model for any team that puts too much emphasis on it. It has a place, but it shouldn't be the engine IMO.
- aminnes

We'll see. It's the direction of sports in 2019. I would not want the Leafs to not be big into it with their resources.

Ultimately it's not only on Dubas. He was brought in because he believes in it and will implement it, at least it seems. IMO analytics will fail as a model for any team that puts too much emphasis on it. It has a place, but it shouldn't be the engine IMO.
- aminnes

Why?

Why?
- burn

Too many variables in hockey. Too many things stats can't truly analyse. For example. Nylander had good analytics. People got excited about his carry it over the blue line stat. Carrying the puck over the blue line should not be a statistic that means anything.

Ultimately, drive, determination and creativity are not something stats can uncover. A willingness to take a beating and push though are not statistics, yet to win the cup are very important.

I can't wait to see what old man Lou does. Think Dubas has issues? Look at that Isles roster.

Too many variables in hockey. Too many things stats can't truly analyse. For example. Nylander had good analytics. People got excited about his carry it over the blue line stat. Carrying the puck over the blue line should not be a statistic that means anything.

Ultimately, drive, determination and creativity are not something stats can uncover. A willingness to take a beating and push though are not statistics, yet to win the cup are very important.
- aminnes

Couldn't be further from the truth.


You are correct about the will not being able to be quantified. But why say none of it is worthwhile if you can't quantify one thing? Why not invest in analytics to find guys that are undervalued or whatever?

Couldn't be further from the truth.


You are correct about the will not being able to be quantified. But why say none of it is worthwhile if you can't quantify one thing? Why not invest in analytics to find guys that are undervalued or whatever?
- burn

I didn't say have none of it. Why is everything all or nothing? I said if it is the MAIN engine or driver of the club's decisions they will fail. And I guess we disagree about the blue line stat. It means nothing to me because what if dumping it in was the better play in that particular instance? IMO analytics should have a smaller role.

I didn't say have none of it. Why is everything all or nothing? I said if it is the MAIN engine or driver of the club's decisions they will fail. And I guess we disagree about the blue line stat. It means nothing to me because what if dumping it in was the better play in that particular instance? IMO analytics should have a smaller role.
- aminnes

Giving the puck away is never the better play, so how's that. Gaining the zone with possession is absolutely and unequivocally a good thing.

I didn't say have none of it. Why is everything all or nothing? I said if it is the MAIN engine or driver of the club's decisions they will fail. And I guess we disagree about the blue line stat. It means nothing to me because what if dumping it in was the better play in that particular instance? IMO analytics should have a smaller role.
- aminnes

Hurricanes say hi.

Giving the puck away is never the better play, so how's that. Gaining the zone with possession is absolutely and unequivocally a good thing.
- burn

Okay. We will have to disagree. And lots of dump and chase going on right now in the playoffs.

Okay. We will have to disagree. And lots of dump and chase going on right now in the playoffs.
- aminnes

if they were able to i can guarantee they'd prefer to skate it in and maintain possession. problem is it's hard to skate in there and maintain possession, that's why nylander being a god at it is kinda neat.