if they were able to i can guarantee they'd prefer to skate it in and maintain possession. problem is it's hard to skate in there and maintain possession, that's why nylander being a god at it is kinda neat.
- daeth

Nylander carried it over the blue line against the Bruins, they smothered him and he gave it away. Constantly. Meanwhile, the Bruins dumped it in many times and hammered the Leafs D, hemmed them in and scored.

Again, carrying it in is a good play sometimes, and sometimes not carrying it in can work too. Analytics takes all the nuance out of the equation, but hockey is still a nuanced game. It's not baseball.

Nylander carried it over the blue line against the Bruins, they smothered him and he gave it away. Constantly. Meanwhile, the Bruins dumped it in many times and hammered the Leafs D, hemmed them in and scored.

Again, carrying it in is a good play sometimes, and sometimes not carrying it in can work too. Analytics takes all the nuance out of the equation, but hockey is still a nuanced game. It's not baseball.
- aminnes

Randy Carlyle type hockey! WOOOOOO

Nylander carried it over the blue line against the Bruins, they smothered him and he gave it away. Constantly. Meanwhile, the Bruins dumped it in many times and hammered the Leafs D, hemmed them in and scored.

Again, carrying it in is a good play sometimes, and sometimes not carrying it in can work too. Analytics takes all the nuance out of the equation, but hockey is still a nuanced game. It's not baseball.
- aminnes

He had no one to pass to, so easy to swarm and take it. If he dumps it in no one goes and gets it and Bruins exist easy.

Saying that someone keeping possession while gaining the zone is a bad thing is bat poop crazy

Ultimately it's not only on Dubas. He was brought in because he believes in it and will implement it, at least it seems. IMO analytics will fail as a model for any team that puts too much emphasis on it. It has a place, but it shouldn't be the engine IMO.
- aminnes

I'm all for intangibles that some players bring, but they have to still be good players. I love players that lay big hits and play physical. I love players who block shots. If thats all they're good for though, then they're not good players.

I'm all for intangibles that some players bring, but they have to still be good players. I love players that lay big hits and play physical. I love players who block shots. If thats all they're good for though, then they're not good players.
- leafsfann

This.

He had no one to pass to, so easy to swarm and take it. If he dumps it in no one goes and gets it and Bruins exist easy.

Saying that someone keeping possession while gaining the zone is a bad thing is bat poop crazy
- burn

Not in Toronto, and certainly not him, but teams do this all the time. Once again, I never said it was a bad thing. All or nothing again. I said sometimes it's good, and others it isn't. If he had no one to pass to dumping it in would be the better option rather than giving it away at the blue line.

I'm all for intangibles that some players bring, but they have to still be good players. I love players that lay big hits and play physical. I love players who block shots. If thats all they're good for though, then they're not good players.
- leafsfann

Of course. It's not an all or nothing equation. But this team lacks balance.

Not in Toronto, and certainly not him, but teams do this all the time. Once again, I never said it was a bad thing. All or nothing again. I said sometimes it's good, and others it isn't. If he had no one to pass to dumping it in would be the better option rather than giving it away at the blue line.
- aminnes

Intentionally giving it away isn't the right answer. Always keep possession. Arguing that keeping possession is ever not the right play makes no sense. All the time every time the right play is to keep possession.

Possession is key. Getting into the zone with possession is great, much better than giving the puck away and then having to work to get it back.

Intentionally giving it away isn't the right answer. Always keep possession. Arguing that keeping possession is ever not the right play makes no sense. All the time every time the right play is to keep possession.

Possession is key. Getting into the zone with possession is great, much better than giving the puck away and then having to work to get it back.
- burn

You say it like it's fact, and it's not. He's right. Dumping and chasing is a better option than turning it over at the blueline. You'd have to be blind to not see it. You just gave away position while everyone on the ice is preparing to enter the zone. Everyone is out of position, and the puck is suddenly going the other way. Dumping and chasing is the better option because at the least you're not stuck on your heels if you don't regain possession. The analytics do not equate this.

If you were correct, dump and chase would not be taught at any level of hockey, let alone be a regular in the NHL playoffs right now.

But this is why you get caught arguing with everyone. Because you act like you know everything, everyone else is wrong, and you never are. Get off of your high horse ffs.

You say it like it's fact, and it's not. He's right. Dumping and chasing is a better option than turning it over at the blueline. You'd have to be blind to not see it. You just gave away position while everyone on the ice is preparing to enter the zone. Everyone is out of position, and the puck is suddenly going the other way. Dumping and chasing is the better option because at the least you're not stuck on your heels if you don't regain possession. The analytics do not equate this.

If you were correct, dump and chase would not be taught at any level of hockey, let alone be a regular in the NHL playoffs right now.

But this is why you get caught arguing with everyone. Because you act like you know everything, everyone else is wrong, and you never are. Get off of your high horse ffs.
- joel878

Keeping possession is > than giving it away. No other way around it. More and more you're seeing keeping possession is key and being valued more. Dump and chase is bring used less and less and only people who are stuck in the Stone Age think that dump and chase is be all and end all.

If you can't see that you're not paying attention.