A page ago you were saying that we'll get a top-6 or maybe top-3 forward within 2 years with that pick. It seems like the value is wildly exaggerated if we make the pick, and undervalued if we trade it
- jcragcrumple

I give up.
Time to move along.

Chara didn't hit 40 points until his seventh season at age 27. He didn't make his first ASG until his sixth season. For defensemen, I just don't buy the "they are what they are" argument if they're still in their mid-20s.

Also, god I hate the Bruins.

EDIT: I'm not saying Risto is going to improve, just that it's absolutely a real possibility. Also, I am open to trading him if the return makes sense for the Sabres. But I wouldn't trade him just to trade him.
- JetpackJesus

Coaching change could help risto?

I'd like to see that before moving him. See risto in our new system.

He really seems like the guy that is going to torment us for years. Way to young at 24 to know where he will peak.

I think he has value to other teams who think they can fix him.

If not they better pair him with Pilut because that actually kinda worked
- OneKaneOneCup

Yes it did. Dahlin and Montour also worked very well together. I wouldn't be surprised to see those two pairs to start next season with McCabe and Nelson on the third pairing if we don't make any other moves to address the d-corps.

After watching these playoffs, seems as thou speed is important but size still wins out in the playoffs, I was really hopeful the league was opening up after the Predators and Vegas had successes.
- MEBSabresFAN

The league was probably cringing at the idea of carolina columbus as the ECF

I give up.
Time to move along.
- IonSabres

I'm just saying, why are we counting on this pick to be a difference maker for us if the value on the open market doesn't reflect what we're all hoping for?

Give Boston a taste of their own medicene.
Sucker punch Bergeron.

Well Wetbandit the CBJ's didn't make the playoffs "just to get crushed by Tampa" but did get knocked out in the 2nd round and will most likely watch their whole team walk out the door for nothing when they could of traded Bob and Panarin this past offseason and cashed in on multiple assets to surround the core that will remain.

I still like the patient approach Botts' is taking with this team, because once the puzzle falls into place, we'll have sustained success for a long time.

The league was probably cringing at the idea of carolina columbus as the ECF
- ieetbred

These bruins simply won't go away, how chara is still playing shows that the Anunaki still exist and walk amongst us today

I'm just saying, why are we counting on this pick to be a difference maker for us if the value on the open market doesn't reflect what we're all hoping for?
- jcragcrumple

What?

What?
- MEBSabresFAN

The consensus of this board seems to be that 7oa is too valuable to trade, but when the topic of trading it comes up, most people say that the team accepting 7oa would be crazy to accept that low of a payment for whatever trade is proposed.

So it seems like Sabres fans overvalue making the pick at 7, while undervaluing the pick's value on the trade market. Both of these things can't be true.

Either 7 is worth a lot, or it isn't

Well Wetbandit the CBJ's didn't make the playoffs "just to get crushed by Tampa" but did get knocked out in the 2nd round and will most likely watch their whole team walk out the door for nothing when they could of traded Bob and Panarin this past offseason and cashed in on multiple assets to surround the core that will remain.

I still like the patient approach Botts' is taking with this team, because once the puzzle falls into place, we'll have sustained success for a long time.
- Pegullaville

Did you notice the crowd still chanting CBJ after they got shut out at home?

Looked like alot of fun

More fun then rooting against your team since January.

Last year sucked as a Sabres fan. Picking 7th barely changed that.

Its kind of crazy to think how tuuka rask was the goalie when boychuk chopped vaneks knee in half

These bruins simply won't go away, how chara is still playing shows that the Anunaki still exist and walk amongst us today
- MEBSabresFAN

They are better than i gave them credit for.

And rask is playing at almost inhuman levels right now

I'm just saying, why are we counting on this pick to be a difference maker for us if the value on the open market doesn't reflect what we're all hoping for?
- jcragcrumple

You saying this new 3,000 sqft house isn't worth the $300,000 price because the builder won't take my 2 yr old, same 3,000 sqft house next to it at the same price along with my credit card liability of $300,000 as a fair trade .

Let's put it this way
7-OA = Athanasiou...A Top 6 Center.

But
7-OA 》》Athanasiou + $24m Liability

It isn't the lack of value of 7-OA, but the negative value of Okposo.

Well Wetbandit the CBJ's didn't make the playoffs "just to get crushed by Tampa" but did get knocked out in the 2nd round and will most likely watch their whole team walk out the door for nothing when they could of traded Bob and Panarin this past offseason and cashed in on multiple assets to surround the core that will remain.

I still like the patient approach Botts' is taking with this team, because once the puzzle falls into place, we'll have sustained success for a long time.
- Pegullaville

Columbus is in a totally different boat than us. They have been a team for about 20 years and only made the playoffs a handful of times. They not only wanted to actually win a few playoff games for once, something they weren't good at, either, but they also wanted to win a playoff series for the first time (for their fans) and take a shot in a year that they had a solid team.

They chose to let their fans have a fun season instead of selling off assets and giving up on the year. They did the right thing as an organization. They have a solid young group of home-grown talent outside of Bobrovsky and Panarin leaving. I think if Duchene wants a max deal and dollar, C-Bus will offer it to him. They only need to figure out a goalie situation.

Columbus had a defense in this Boston series that rivals our 2006 blueline against Carolina. They are very deep on defense. Injuries to 3 of their regulars. If they can pick up a few guys in FA, resign Duchene and get lucky with their goaltending, look for a similar run from them next year.

The consensus of this board seems to be that 7oa is too valuable to trade, but when the topic of trading it comes up, most people say that the team accepting 7oa would be crazy to accept that low of a payment for whatever trade is proposed.

So it seems like Sabres fans overvalue making the pick at 7, while undervaluing the pick's value on the trade market. Both of these things can't be true.

Either 7 is worth a lot, or it isn't
- jcragcrumple

Jesus Christ!
Really?

Would you trade 7-OA for Ryan Callahan?
If not you must be valuing the pick too high if you won't accept a trade for it.

You saying this new 3,000 sqft house isn't worth the $300,000 price because the builder won't take my 2 yr old, same 3,000 sqft house next to it at the same price along with my credit card liability of $300,000 as a fair trade .

Let's put it this way
7-OA = Athanasiou...A Top 6 Center.

But
7-OA 》》Athanasiou + $24m Liability

It isn't the lack of value of 7-OA, but the negative value of Okposo.
- IonSabres

I agreed several pages back that deal is light on the Sabres end. My question remains though: why do we care so much about that pick if other GMs don't value it as highly? I feel like this board has an infatuation with that pick, but at the same time there's not a belief that it carries equal weight on the open market. There's an unresolved delta between the two positions

Columbus is in a totally different boat than us. They have been a team for about 20 years and only made the playoffs a handful of times. They not only wanted to actually win a few playoff games for once, something they weren't good at, either, but they also wanted to win a playoff series for the first time (for their fans) and take a shot in a year that they had a solid team.

They chose to let their fans have a fun season instead of selling off assets and giving up on the year. They did the right thing as an organization. They have a solid young group of home-grown talent outside of Bobrovsky and Panarin leaving. I think if Duchene wants a max deal and dollar, C-Bus will offer it to him. They only need to figure out a goalie situation.

Columbus had a defense in this Boston series that rivals our 2006 blueline against Carolina. They are very deep on defense. Injuries to 3 of their regulars. If they can pick up a few guys in FA, resign Duchene and get lucky with their goaltending, look for a similar run from them next year.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Columbus is actually a team that 100% should’ve gone for it all.

They are losing two of their best players after this year

The consensus of this board seems to be that 7oa is too valuable to trade, but when the topic of trading it comes up, most people say that the team accepting 7oa would be crazy to accept that low of a payment for whatever trade is proposed.

So it seems like Sabres fans overvalue making the pick at 7, while undervaluing the pick's value on the trade market. Both of these things can't be true.

Either 7 is worth a lot, or it isn't
- jcragcrumple

Who has ever said that it wasn't worth a lot? Of course both things can be true, because you're not mentioning the second part. 6m for 4 years has a high cost associated with it. I've yet to see a mock-GM post suggesting we target Lucic + the Oiler's 1st because it's worth enduring a 4 year problem to get that pick.

Sabres get pick 14
Arizona gets pick 7 and Okposo

Columbus is in a totally different boat than us. They have been a team for about 20 years and only made the playoffs a handful of times. They not only wanted to actually win a few playoff games for once, something they weren't good at, either, but they also wanted to win a playoff series for the first time (for their fans) and take a shot in a year that they had a solid team.

They chose to let their fans have a fun season instead of selling off assets and giving up on the year. They did the right thing as an organization. They have a solid young group of home-grown talent outside of Bobrovsky and Panarin leaving. I think if Duchene wants a max deal and dollar, C-Bus will offer it to him. They only need to figure out a goalie situation.

Columbus had a defense in this Boston series that rivals our 2006 blueline against Carolina. They are very deep on defense. Injuries to 3 of their regulars. If they can pick up a few guys in FA, resign Duchene and get lucky with their goaltending, look for a similar run from them next year.
- BeadyEyedDouche

High risk gambler.

What if Bread, Bob, Dutchy, Zing all walk out the door.
They have close to Zero draft picks to restock the pipeline this year, and have sold off their 2nd rounders in the next 2 drafts.
They will have $27+m in Cap to spend on old, over-priced FA's though.

High-wire act.

Sabres get pick 14
Arizona gets pick 7 and Okposo
- OneKaneOneCup

Can we package 14 and the late first for Lucic and their 7th rounder.
I'd rather get their 6th but, no way anyone gives up the coveted 6th rounder!

High risk gambler.

What if Bread, Bob, Dutchy, Zing all walk out the door.
They have close to Zero draft picks to restock the pipeline this year, and have sold off their 2nd rounders in the next 2 drafts.
They will have $27+m in Cap to spend on old, over-priced FA's though.

High-wire act.
- IonSabres

The same fans chanting “CBJ’s” will be the same ones not buying tickets when the team becomes irrelevant again. Luckily enough for them they have Werenski, Jones, Atkinson, Dubois, Andersen and some pieces that will remain. Foligno and Dubinsky aren’t getting any younger though.

Jesus Christ!
Really?

Would you trade 7-OA for Ryan Callahan?
If not you must be valuing the pick too high if you won't accept a trade for it.
- IonSabres

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You have it backwards. We'd be getting 7oa AND Callahan, and giving up Risto

Like to see Kane and BigZ drop 'em and go.