I don't think Petan goes at C at all. He makes Ennis look tall.

Moore should be in there.

Who are we trading Johnsson for?

I'd also be surprised if the two Russians jump ahead of Bracco for the 3rd line. If you want an offensive line, you'll want Bracco. If you want some size, then Bracco is passed.
- Monkeypunk

1. Petan is probably pretty good.

2. Yaeh probably. But Marleau is playing unless he’s moved.

3. Offersheet or traded for picks.

4. Put Russians with Russians, why not. Have size on the 3rd line instead of the 4th line to give them more minutes.

5. Bracco maky be there, but it’s not going to be handled to him, he’s not even penciled I’m at this point.

Holy Maackinaw Johnny Toronto finally has a winger to play with. Only the Leafs and the Toronto Media Monster makes a signing like this a story. Haha. Book the parade.
- islansjet

Why do you even bother? You make yourself sound like a complete douchebag

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
new guy - Matthews - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Moore
Engvall / Marchment / Petan - Gauthier - Ruski1 / Ruski 2 / Bracco
13th/14th: 2 out of the guys posted above on 4th line

Rielly - Dermott
Muzzin - Zaitsev
whoever - whoever
whoever

the whoevers on D can be any combination of Borgman/Rosen/UFA/Liljegren and Sandin (2nd half of season)

Fredrik Reimer
a backup not named Sparks.

Brown / Nylander / Johnsson all traded. get a decent 2nd line LW in return to play with Matthews (the trade to make is Nylander + Johnsson for a young LW still on first contract), and upgrade on D in exchange for Brown.

It's a messy situation in Edmonton.. I don't know if Holland can fix all of it.
- PatC80

He has inherited a nasty mess, too.

Lucic is still $6m x 4
Koskinen is $4.5m x 3
Sekera is $5.5m x 2
Russell is $4m x 2

I like RNH, but he's an expensive option for he's been providing, albeit he had a good year last year, so I'd be inclined to give him a pass.

I like Nurse, Klefbom, and Larsson is perfectly adequate as long as you don't try and equate him to Taylor Hall.

They need a goalie. They need 3 more wingers and they don't seem to have those in their system - although Puljujarvi still has a shot. They to improve the D, and maybe Bouchard, Persson or Bear can help, but outside of Bouchard, I wouldn't be super optimistic.

The best irony for them - Chiarelli was right about ONE thing, and Koskinen turns in a Lehner-like performance. It would cover up everything else, and Holland would look like a genuis.

Holy Maackinaw Johnny Toronto finally has a winger to play with. Only the Leafs and the Toronto Media Monster makes a signing like this a story. Haha. Book the parade.
- islansjet

You gave clicks to the story. Thank you for your service.

on 'great coach' Keefe.


This is not a guy I would like to see in any organization, let alone as a head coach.
yes, people deserve a 2nd chance, and yes, people can change... however I do believe that bad behaviour and not standing up for what's right (but instead being part of a very negative group dynamic) aren't the best qualities for a feature leader / coach.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_boys_the_four_horsemen/

on 'great coach' Keefe.


This is not a guy I would like to see in any organization, let alone as a head coach.
yes, people deserve a 2nd chance, and yes, people can change... however I do believe that bad behaviour and not standing up for what's right (but instead being part of a very negative group dynamic) aren't the best qualities for a feature leader / coach.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_boys_the_four_horsemen/
- MaximusAurelius

So because Keefe was a victim, he’s a douchebag and has to go away?

1. Petan is probably pretty good.

2. Yaeh probably. But Marleau is playing unless he’s moved.

3. Offersheet or traded for picks.

4. Put Russians with Russians, why not. Have size on the 3rd line instead of the 4th line to give them more minutes.

5. Bracco maky be there, but it’s not going to be handled to him, he’s not even penciled I’m at this point.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Petan is a good player; I wasn't trying to imply that he wasn't. I think he has to be in the mix for wing. I just think at NHL, the centre position is a big man's game.

If you're looking at realistic depth for the team, you've got:

Mattews / Tavares / Kadri at Centre
Marner / Nylander / Kapanen / Johnsson / Hyman / Marleau on the Wing

Without signing or trading anyone (and you're probably not wrong - we all know Brown is gone, and Johnsson is possibly the other), your 4th line C is Gauthier or Brooks.

Then you have wing competition between everyone else for one offensive spot, and 2 4th line spots:

Moore / Petan / Bracco / Korshkov / Mikheylev / Engvall / Marchment / Timashov

. . . if we trade Johnsson, there's an opportunity that will suit a more offensive style guy - Bracco might just be the fit for Matthews if he's as slick a passer at the NHL.

Being completely up front, outside of seeing Marchment play some good games last year, and liking Trevor Moore alot, the rest of them are a completely open book to me. We were supposed to notice Engvall, but he was good one shift, and not so good the next; Timashov was supposed to have great talent, but he never stood out. Petan scored a goal, but really it was other people's work that scored him that goal.

So because Keefe was a victim, he’s a douchebag and has to go away?
- Steven_Seagull

actively being part of a really bad and vicious group isn't a 'victim' in my book.

on 'great coach' Keefe.


This is not a guy I would like to see in any organization, let alone as a head coach.
yes, people deserve a 2nd chance, and yes, people can change... however I do believe that bad behaviour and not standing up for what's right (but instead being part of a very negative group dynamic) aren't the best qualities for a feature leader / coach.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_boys_the_four_horsemen/
- MaximusAurelius

This is apparently a case where Dubas selected the best MAN for the job. You should be ecstatic.

So because Keefe was a victim, he’s a douchebag and has to go away?
- Steven_Seagull

People are dumb

Just smile and nod

I respect the hell out of what Keefe has done with the Marlies. He’s been great and knows his players.

I think Babs will be back, but as an outsider looking in I don’t know enough about either coach as much as players and management do.

This is apparently a case where Dubas selected the best MAN for the job. You should be ecstatic.
- TheMussel

not sure what you base that statement on.

i don't know whether you have children, but if you do - is this the type of role model you would like to see around your children?

not sure what you base that statement on.

i don't know whether you have children, but if you do - is this the type of role model you would like to see around your children?
- MaximusAurelius

Based on your railing of Dubas hiring a woman as an act of affirmative action.

Just trying to keep things consistent here.

actively being part of a really bad and vicious group isn't a 'victim' in my book.
- MaximusAurelius

I wonder if he had no connection to Dubas, you wouldn’t have a problem with him...

Based on your railing of Dubas hiring a woman as an act of affirmative action.

Just trying to keep things consistent here.
- TheMussel

How dare Dubas hire someone based on talent and not for being a 45 year old white man!?

actively being part of a really bad and vicious group isn't a 'victim' in my book.
- MaximusAurelius

You should get more context in your book to better judge these cases.

Teenagers being groomed, trained and cultivated by a dominating adult presence with no support from their parents absolutely makes them victims.

If anything, it's a credit to Keefe that he came on the other side of this far less damaged than Jefferson did.

on 'great coach' Keefe.


This is not a guy I would like to see in any organization, let alone as a head coach.
yes, people deserve a 2nd chance, and yes, people can change... however I do believe that bad behaviour and not standing up for what's right (but instead being part of a very negative group dynamic) aren't the best qualities for a feature leader / coach.

https://www.reddit.com/r/...n_boys_the_four_horsemen/
- MaximusAurelius

Stop embarrassing yourself, he was young and being influenced by a dirtbag with promises of fortune and fame.

Give it up already, he’s Dubas’s guy and that won’t change regardless how many times you post this garbage.

Stop embarrassing yourself, he was young and being influenced by a dirtbag with promises of fortune and fame.

Give it up already, he’s Dubas’s guy and that won’t change regardless how many times you post this garbage.
- Garnie

Chris Johnston is now saying he's hearing Babcock might get an offer to go to the Oilers.

Chris Johnston is now saying he's hearing Babcock might get an offer to go to the Oilers.
- RogerRoeper

and Keefe will coach the Leafs, makes sense

Chris Johnston is now saying he's hearing Babcock might get an offer to go to the Oilers.
- RogerRoeper

Is Chris Johnston aware that Mike Babcock is currently under contract by the Toronto Maple Leafs?

Stop embarrassing yourself, he was young and being influenced by a dirtbag with promises of fortune and fame.

Give it up already, he’s Dubas’s guy and that won’t change regardless how many times you post this garbage.
- Garnie

ah man. let me explain it again - better this time.
yes, Keefe was a victim.
he was influential though - and did things as a teenager and young adults that even at that age people realise are not good.
the fact that he was influential is my issue - there are some people that are easy victims, and other teens that don't get influenced (as easy).
this character trait is an indicator to me that he hasn't got the best character.
for a head coach of a professional team, you'd want a more balanced guy.
and i know he is dubas' guy - the fact that dubas is ok with Keefe's history / character to me reflects really badly on Dubas and his people evaluation skills.

that's all i'm saying.
you can of course not agree with me, but it's as valid as an opinion as yours.

Is Chris Johnston aware that Mike Babcock is currently under contract by the Toronto Maple Leafs?
- TheMussel

That does not change anything. they can still ask to speak with him.

and Keefe will coach the Leafs, makes sense
- Symba.007

This will be announced once the Marlies season ends.

ah man. let me explain it again - better this time.
yes, Keefe was a victim.
he was influential though - and did things as a teenager and young adults that even at that age people realise are not good.
the fact that he was influential is my issue - there are some people that are easy victims, and other teens that don't get influenced (as easy).
this character trait is an indicator to me that he hasn't got the best character.
for a head coach of a professional team, you'd want a more balanced guy.
and i know he is dubas' guy - the fact that dubas is ok with Keefe's history / character to me reflects really badly on Dubas and his people evaluation skills.

that's all i'm saying.
you can of course not agree with me, but it's as valid as an opinion as yours.
- MaximusAurelius

You’re opinion sucks big hairy donkey balls, and you’re talking at your ass. You have zero clue what kind of guy Keefe is and you’re posting poop off reddit....really? You’re making Burn look smart.