Well 1st of all sir, The comparison was Skinner or Duchene getting 9-9.5 from the Sabre’s at the beginning.

If you’re going to chime in then follow along


- dadeadhead

Except that’s not true
The first mention of Duchene today was simple Gerbe saying we should/could look at him for 9mil

To which i replied that it would be an overpayment and a mistake

You brought Skinner into this AFTER
So respectfully,
U changed the parameters from my original point

Once again,
there’s an argument to not pay Skinner 9mil
But that does not mean we should give Duchene 9mil
That would be a disaster for us
Especially with Mitts developing into that role imo in the next couple years

There is absolutely no way the Sabres should even think about trying to sign Duchene

Skinner generates chances and shots like an elite forward.

He isn’t a great PP player historically which is why he isn’t a 70-80 point winger and has also rarely played with a good center.

He’s a top 10 NHL winger.

Duchene isn’t even a top 25 center
- OneKaneOneCup

Rarely played with a good center is funny.

Eric Staal centered him for the 1st 5 and a 1/2 yrs of his career.

Without going through the game log if the season he was traded

1st 5 years

Staal 367 gp 314 pts
Skinner 336 gp 216 pts

He has had very good to great center play for 6 and 1/2yrs out of his 9 yrs in the league.

- No one, ever
- jcragcrumple

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Post of the day

Jeff Skinner generated the 8th most scoring chances of any forward this year 5 on 5.

His point totals do not accurately reflect is impact offensively

Except that’s not true
The first mention of Duchene today was simple Gerbe saying we should/could look at him for 9mil

To which i replied that it would be an overpayment and a mistake

You brought Skinner into this AFTER
So respectfully,
U changed the parameters from my original point

Once again,
there’s an argument to not pay Skinner 9mil
But that does not mean we should give Duchene 9mil
That would be a disaster for us
Especially with Mitts developing into that role imo in the next couple years

There is absolutely no way the Sabres should even think about trying to sign Duchene
- jdfitz77

Wrong again.

My 1st post of the day was at 12:19

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=159545&page=3

Wasn’t even a quote to your post, and Duchene was already brought into the convo.

Jeff Skinner generated the 8th most scoring chances of any forward this year 5 on 5.

His point totals do not accurately reflect is impact offensively
- OneKaneOneCup

Wouldn’t they have to reflect that to make him elite?

Rarely played with a good center is funny.

Eric Staal centered him for the 1st 5 and a 1/2 yrs of his career.

Without going through the game log if the season he was traded

1st 5 years

Staal 367 gp 314 pts
Skinner 336 gp 216 pts

He has had very good to great center play for 6 and 1/2yrs out of his 9 yrs in the league.
- dadeadhead

From 2013-2016 Eric Staal was his third most common center to Victor Rask and Riley Nash.

So laugh all you want, you’re incorrect

Wouldn’t they have to reflect that to make him elite?
- dadeadhead

Not at all.

He generates scoring chances and penalties (which lead to goals) like the elite forwards do.

Him missing out on 10-15 secondary PP assists a year is why we don’t talk about him being an elite 70-80 point winger

Skinner generates chances and shots like an elite forward.

He isn’t a great PP player historically which is why he isn’t a 70-80 point winger and has also rarely played with a good center.

He’s a top 10 NHL winger.

Duchene isn’t even a top 25 center
- OneKaneOneCup

Agreed with everything until you said top 10 winger. I can name 20 wingers I would take over Skinner.

Wrong again.

My 1st post of the day was at 12:19

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=159545&page=3

Wasn’t even a quote to your post, and Duchene was already brought into the convo.
- dadeadhead

No, I’m not wrong
Your post was AFTER MINE

9:05am
They will probably sign Matt Duchene at 9m
-Gerbe

To which i replied,
“That would be a horrible mistake“ at 11:59

To which Gerbe replied,
“How would it be horrible .
a first line center / 2nd center that can take pressure off Casey and spread scoring around is a good idea and only 1 year older then skinner”
at 12:10

To which BuffFan19 replied,
“Because Mittelstadt won't need the "pressure" taken off him for that long. Even if it takes him 2 more years to grow into the role, you're going to be stuck with a contract you will most likely want to get out from under before it's half over.“
at 12:15

To which YOU replied,
“If it’s 9-9.5 per for Skinner(8yrs) or Duchene(6-7yrs), I’d lean towards Duchene.
Centers are easier to move no matter of contract than a winger IMO. It also allows the team to roll 4 lines as opposed to one line and 3 Island of Misfit toys lines”
at 12:19


So yes...
you brought up the Skinner comparison
WHICH AGAIN
does not in any way validate overpaying for Duchene at 9mil
It’s a HORRIBLE idea dude

Agreed with everything until you said top 10 winger. I can name 20 wingers I would take over Skinner.
- Pegullaville

Stone
Ovi
Pastrnak
Marchand- maybe
Marner
Wheeler
Maybe a few others


I’d tie him with Tarasenko and Benn in that area.

The Skinner that scored 40 goals this year is who the real Skinner is

Jeff Skinner generated the 8th most scoring chances of any forward this year 5 on 5.

His point totals do not accurately reflect is impact offensively
- OneKaneOneCup

Except he averages 23 assists across his career. If he didn’t score 40 goals he’d be useless. There are probably 100 wingers that can put up more then 23 assists in a season. He is a one trick pony, and should be paid like one.

Stone
Ovi
Pastrnak
Marchand- maybe
Marner
Wheeler
Maybe a few others


I’d tie him with Tarasenko and Benn in that area.

The Skinner that scored 40 goals this year is who the real Skinner is
- OneKaneOneCup

Panarin, P.Kane, Rantenen, Kucherov, Huberdeau, M.Tkachuk, Draisatil (if you count him as a winger), Hall, Gaudreau. Give me 10 more minutes and I’ll probbaly find you a few more. I’d even take Laine, Connor over him. Pretty soon Svechnikov and Kakko as well.

No, I’m not wrong
Your post was AFTER MINE

9:05am
They will probably sign Matt Duchene at 9m
-Gerbe

To which i replied,
“That would be a horrible mistake“ at 11:59

To which Gerbe replied,
“How would it be horrible .
a first line center / 2nd center that can take pressure off Casey and spread scoring around is a good idea and only 1 year older then skinner”
at 12:10

To which BuffFan19 replied,
“Because Mittelstadt won't need the "pressure" taken off him for that long. Even if it takes him 2 more years to grow into the role, you're going to be stuck with a contract you will most likely want to get out from under before it's half over.“
at 12:15

To which YOU replied,
“If it’s 9-9.5 per for Skinner(8yrs) or Duchene(6-7yrs), I’d lean towards Duchene.
Centers are easier to move no matter of contract than a winger IMO. It also allows the team to roll 4 lines as opposed to one line and 3 Island of Misfit toys lines”
at 12:19


So yes...
you brought up the Skinner comparison
WHICH AGAIN
does not in any way validate overpaying for Duchene at 9mil
It’s a HORRIBLE idea dude
- jdfitz77

10:53 Gerbe


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=159545&page=2

Again I did not bring it up but thanks for playing.

Wrong again.

My 1st post of the day was at 12:19

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=159545&page=3

Wasn’t even a quote to your post, and Duchene was already brought into the convo.
- dadeadhead

My post about signing Duchene at 9mil being a horrible idea was BEFORE your 12:19 post
Mine was at 11:59
And had nothing to do with Skinner

OUR convo back and forth started with you replying to me about Skinner vs Duchene

Bc he’s not gonna be a 70point guy behind Jack
He’d likely revert to the 55ish point guys he’s been almost his whole career
Can’t pay 9mil per for that
Not in the Salary Cap age
- jdfitz77

Duchene avg 77.25 gp per season @ 58.13 points

Skinner avg 76.99 gp per season @ 51.48

One is a center one is not.

Centers are easier to move no matter contract compared to wingers
-dadeadhead

So no sir, i am not wrong

I was talking strictly about Duchene being a bad signing and YOU brought the Skinner comparison to the convo with me

Panarin, P.Kane, Rantenen, Kucherov, Huberdeau, M.Tkachuk, Draisatil (if you count him as a winger), Hall, Gaudreau. Give me 10 more minutes and I’ll probbaly find you a few more. I’d even take Laine, Connor over him. Pretty soon Svechnikov and Kakko as well.
- Pegullaville

Sam Reinhart had more points this year than skinner ever has in a season. Just saying.

10:53 Gerbe


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=159545&page=2

Again I did not bring it up but thanks for playing.
- dadeadhead

Reed more dood

And it really doesn’t matter
The bottom line is that Duchene is a HORRIBLE IDEA at 9mil

Reed more dood
- jdfitz77

Go back and reed page one.

Gerbe brought it up 9:37.

Skinner no way at 9-9.5

Panarin/Duchene are in that price range.

Sam Reinhart had more points this year than skinner ever has in a season. Just saying.
- TheHank

In all fairness to Skinner, Samson Reinhart is a (frank)ing God.

In all fairness to Skinner, Samson Reinhart is a (frank)ing God.
- RhinoFan

Reed more dood

And it really doesn’t matter
The bottom line is that Duchene is a HORRIBLE IDEA at 9mil
- jdfitz77

So is Skinner

Hope everyone is ready to root against the Blues tonight.

#18-19 vs #28 up for grabs tonight...

Go back and reed page one.

Gerbe brought it up.
- dadeadhead

Regardless

I was talking only about Duchene being a horrible signing...
and it would be

YOU eventually responded to me comparing Skinner

Which is why i responded to you saying that the comparison is moot & that i was only talking about Duchene & not Skinner

Bottom line
Duchene at 9mil is a horrible idea

My post about signing Duchene at 9mil being a horrible idea was BEFORE your 12:19 post
Mine was at 11:59
And had nothing to do with Skinner

OUR convo back and forth started with you replying to me about Skinner vs Duchene





So no sir, i am not wrong

I was talking strictly about Duchene being a bad signing and YOU brought the Skinner comparison to the convo with me
- jdfitz77

We aren’t the only people here nor were we the only two having the convo.

Like usual it’s not all about you.

Hope everyone is ready to root against the Blues tonight.

#18-19 vs #28 up for grabs tonight...
- RhinoFan

I’ve been told it doesn’t matter. Good players are drafted everywhere.