Not far off from you there. He needs to be better than fake .500, with noticeable internal improvement.

It's his roster now, and we'll start to see who is really in his core (in addition to Eichel and Dahlin).
- Lunaion

It's for the reason in bold above that I can easily see both Reinhart and Ristolainen dealt this offseason.

Great, so we agree on Duchene
Only took 5 hours to get here

I still gotta make it out your way & try those wings
- jdfitz77

But if they’re spending 9 and the choice is a winger or center I’d choose the center, unless it’s Marner.

But if they’re spending 9 and the choice is a winger or center I’d choose the center, unless it’s Marner.
- dadeadhead

I think Marner is all world, but Sebastian Aho is the better fit for Buffalo, assuming Carolina wouldn't match a giant contract?

It's for the reason in bold above that I can easily see both Reinhart and Ristolainen dealt this offseason.
- kingcong39

Buffalo oilers?

Because for the next two years it doesn't matter. After that, Dahlin's deal is up. 2 years would be the perfect amount of time to have him until Mitts is ready. It would take that amount of AAV to even get him to consider a 2-year contract
- jcragcrumple

I get why it would have to be more
I don’t think I’d want him for 2 years though
I don’t even like the idea of paying Duchene 9mil
Would prefer to use that $$$ better

Forgot Kucherov and Kane. Johnny Hockey and Hall yes


Tkachuk is kinda laughable at this point. So is Laine and Connor
- OneKaneOneCup

Matthew Tkachuk had 77 points in 80 games this year. Skinner has never had more then 63. Scored 34 goals and is a POS to play against. Laine has two 40+ goal seasons and a 35 goal season before the age of 22. Kyle connor had just as many points as Skinner did this year and is 3 years younger and didn’t play with Eichel. I’d trade Skinner for each of those three 1 for 1 yesterday.

Forgot Kucherov and Kane. Johnny Hockey and Hall yes


Tkachuk is kinda laughable at this point. So is Laine and Connor
- OneKaneOneCup

You think skinner is more valuable then Tkachuk??? It would take 7oa and skinner (if he was signed) and Calgary would still say no.

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I get why it would have to be more
I don’t think I’d want him for 2 years though
I don’t even like the idea of paying Duchene 9mil
Would prefer to use that $$$ better
- jdfitz77

I'd do it. Even if it turns to poop, retain half and pick up a first rounder guaranteed. I doubt he'd sign that short of a deal though, even for that kind of cash

But if they’re spending 9 and the choice is a winger or center I’d choose the center, unless it’s Marner.
- dadeadhead

We have Mitts coming

Duchene is a terrible idea whether or not we sign Skinner

Just bc u have 9mil to spend,
doesn’t mean you should spend it poorly

Hope everyone is ready to root against the Blues tonight.

#18-19 vs #28 up for grabs tonight...
- RhinoFan

I'm told it doesn't matter.

7OA is either over or under valued, so 18 or 28 is completely useless either way.
May e we could package 7, 18, and Eichel to get rid of Okposso

I'd do it. Even if it turns to poop, retain half and pick up a first rounder guaranteed. I doubt he'd sign that short of a deal though, even for that kind of cash
- jcragcrumple

The only way I’d be interested is if we were DEFINITELY gonna trade him after year 1
I’d assume he’d want a full NTC though

We have Mitts coming

Duchene is a terrible idea whether or not we sign Skinner

Just bc u have 9mil to spend,
doesn’t mean you should spend it poorly
- jdfitz77

Is this hypothetical legal:

Duchene signs on July 1, for 7 years, 9 mil with Ottawa.

July 2, Ottawa trades Duchene at 50% retained to the sabres for our late first - the draft is before that, so ignore the specific pick. Just the concept

Matthew Tkachuk had 77 points in 80 games this year. Skinner has never had more then 63. Scored 34 goals and is a POS to play against. Laine has two 40+ goal seasons and a 35 goal season before the age of 22. Kyle connor had just as many points as Skinner did this year and is 3 years younger and didn’t play with Eichel. I’d trade Skinner for each of those three 1 for 1 yesterday.
- Pegullaville

Agreed..
It is a joke that Tkachuk is devalued. Kid brings much more to the game, along with scoring...it's called difficult to play against, high motor, high compete level, truculence.
Sabres are devoid of it, half the fan base has no clue what it is and brings.

Is this hypothetical legal:

Duchene signs on July 1, for 7 years, 9 mil with Ottawa.

July 2, Ottawa trades Duchene at 50% retained to the sabres for our late first - the draft is before that, so ignore the specific pick. Just the concept
- jcragcrumple

Sens are cash strapped every year. No way they spend $4.5m per year for...6,7,8 years to get the 18-19, nor later pick.

Matthew Tkachuk had 77 points in 80 games this year. Skinner has never had more then 63. Scored 34 goals and is a POS to play against. Laine has two 40+ goal seasons and a 35 goal season before the age of 22. Kyle connor had just as many points as Skinner did this year and is 3 years younger and didn’t play with Eichel. I’d trade Skinner for each of those three 1 for 1 yesterday.
- Pegullaville

Yeah I couldn’t care less about point totals dude.

Yeah I couldn’t care less about point totals dude.
- OneKaneOneCup

Please if Tkachuk played in Buffalo they’d already have a statue of the guy outside. The blue collar fan base would blow their wads over him. He can score as many goals as Skinner but actually effect the game when he isn’t scoring. He can hit and play defence too. He is also capable of passing someone a puck so someone else can score. I like skinner, but he pales in comparison to Tkachuk

Please if Tkachuk played in Buffalo they’d already have a statue of the guy outside. The blue collar fan base would blow their wads over him. He can score as many goals as Skinner but actually effect the game when he isn’t scoring. He can hit and play defence too. He is also capable of passing someone a puck so someone else can score. I like skinner, but he pales in comparison to Tkachuk
- Pegullaville

Last two years Skinner has 46 ES goals to Tkachuk's 28. I agree Tkachuk is better but it's really only because Tkachuk is slightly above average defensively and Skinner is what most one dimensional forwards are, bad.

Last two years Skinner has 46 ES goals to Tkachuk's 28. I agree Tkachuk is better but it's really only because Tkachuk is slightly above average defensively and Skinner is what most one dimensional forwards are, bad.
- Sabresfan-365

Skinner is better offensively, better penalty differential, doesn’t play with two players as good Johnny Hockey and SM.

Skinner is better today. Maybe that changes

Agreed..
It is a joke that Tkachuk is devalued. Kid brings much more to the game, along with scoring...it's called difficult to play against, high motor, high compete level, truculence.
Sabres are devoid of it, half the fan base has no clue what it is and brings.
- IonSabres

I’d say a guy like Skinner who drew 26 penalties and only took 7 is tough to play against, but hey

5 on 5 individual expected goal total

Tkachuk 13.67
Skinner 17.83

They really aren’t close offensively

Individual scoring chances 5 on 5

Skinner 201
Tkachuk -136

This isn’t even fair

5 on 5 individual expected goal total

Tkachuk 13.67
Skinner 17.83

They really aren’t close offensively
- OneKaneOneCup

If he had any play making ability and wasn’t a complete liability defensively he’d still be in Carolina. I like Skinner, but he is one dimensional. Of course he is going to have an expected goal total higher then anyone else when his entire game once he obtains the puck in the opposing teams zone is to direct the puck towards the net. He is a volume shooter, they go in and they don’t.

Individual scoring chances 5 on 5

Skinner 201
Tkachuk -136

This isn’t even fair
- OneKaneOneCup

Yet one got traded for a bag of pucks and that team is in the ECF right now and the other one is going to cash in big time in RFA.

Yet one got traded for a bag of pucks and that team is in the ECF right now and the other one is going to cash in big time in RFA.
- Pegullaville

Taylor Hall was traded for Adam Larsson

Your point?