Every single hockey fan I know saw what the Tavares signing would do to the Leafs payroll. And then to exacerbate the situation, Kyle gets hosed by Nylander instead of dealing him for a defender. The sympathy level from other GM's will be less than zero if they feel they have Dubas by the short hairs. If any team takes Marleau's contract, it will be at a significant cost. First round pick is already gone. How many picks should he give up? Does any Leaf fan honestly expect the team to be improved next season? Really?? This is the new reality.
- Hardbalz

I don’t think Dubas expected a cup in his 2nd year, lots of people are impatient.

GLG

and Blues

He also played a lot of top 6 minutes with franchise centres.
- RogerRoeper

Mostly with Kadri 5v5, but sure.

Don’t really care, he should make less but what can you do? Whine on line 24/7?

You realize that almost everyone here wants the same thing you do, but Marleau might just actually be immovable?
- mykokes

If Clarkson and Phaneuf got moved, Marleau can be moved. It's just a matter of both parties coming to an agreement. If a player is told the team wants to move on, why would that player force the team to keep him if he's not part of their plans?

Not absolutely better off with a Marlie at 700k, salary wise yes but in terms of wins, no. If one can outplay for that spot then great, if not then Marleau is still useful. Its a balance.

I think theyre gonna have to trade Johnson or Kapanen anyways if they want to improve their defense so if that happens then Marleau would still be a key piece, then he’s fully off the books next year.
- 13sundin13

Yes, 100% absolutely better off with a Marlie because it has a trickle down effect.

Marner is going to get 9-10, if not more.

Johnsson and Kapenen can both get 3-4 each.

They need the 6.25 to do those things.

It's not just about the player replacing Marleau, it's about the cap space it allows the Leafs to retain better players.

If Clarkson and Phaneuf got moved, Marleau can be moved. It's just a matter of both parties coming to an agreement. If a player is told the team wants to move on, why would that player force the team to keep him if he's not part of their plans?
- JohnFergusonJr

My opinion is it doesnt happen, too much respect.

But who am i.

If Dallas wins, it would be a (frank)ing disgrace.

The Blues deserve this game and this series.

If Dallas wins, it would be a (frank)ing disgrace.

The Blues deserve this game and this series.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yep

My opinion is it doesnt happen, too much respect.

But who am i.
- Garnie

He played how many years in San Jose and they said bye bye to him because they knew they needed the cap space for younger, better players.

If they let him go, why can't the Leafs move him?

He played his part, he had his chance, he's still going to get his money but now it's time to play somewhere else. Or retire somewhere else.

He played how many years in San Jose and they said bye bye to him because they knew they needed the cap space for younger, better players.

If they let him go, why can't the Leafs move him?

He played his part, he had his chance, he's still going to get his money but now it's time to play somewhere else. Or retire somewhere else.
- JohnFergusonJr

Who knows, id like him for a lot cheaper. oh well.

Who knows, id like him for a lot cheaper. oh well.
- Garnie

There's a crazy theory out there that the Leafs can trade him with a prospect and a pick, that team will buy him out and then the Leafs can re-sign him for 1 million.

The Leafs need to adopt a "anybody over 30 gets 1 million max" policy like Pittsburgh use to do with Recchi, Roberts, Guerin etc.

He played how many years in San Jose and they said bye bye to him because they knew they needed the cap space for younger, better players.

If they let him go, why can't the Leafs move him?

He played his part, he had his chance, he's still going to get his money but now it's time to play somewhere else. Or retire somewhere else.
- JohnFergusonJr

I think the biggest obstacle after the NMC would be lack of takers. There's only so many teams that need that big cap hit / low salary to hit the cap floor and save real dollars. Enter Arizona and Ottawa. The latter would be a good fit, but they're not doing us any favors.

I have a feeling Kapanen will be a kap kasualty. He has trade value. We have more RWs than we know what to do with. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I can see it.

He played how many years in San Jose and they said bye bye to him because they knew they needed the cap space for younger, better players.

If they let him go, why can't the Leafs move him?

He played his part, he had his chance, he's still going to get his money but now it's time to play somewhere else. Or retire somewhere else.
- JohnFergusonJr

After July 1 Marleau has received $17.5M of $18.75M, only owed $1.25M.

Edit: Pretty sure we can find St. Patrick a nice cushy job that will far exceed the $1.25M he's owed. All he has to do is agree to play along.

I think the biggest obstacle after the NMC would be lack of takers. There's only so many teams that need that big cap hit / low salary to hit the cap floor and save real dollars. Enter Arizona and Ottawa. The latter would be a good fit, but they're not doing us any favors.

I have a feeling Kapanen will be a kap kasualty. He has trade value. We have more RWs than we know what to do with. It wouldn't be my first choice, but I can see it.
- leafsfann

Colorado. Carolina. Islanders.

All 3 teams have cap space. All 3 teams made it to the 2nd round (or further). All 3 teams are budget teams.

Detroit and Arizona can take him too if he decides to retire.

Kapanen should stay. Rather trade Johnsson.

After July 1 Marleau has received $17.5M of $18.75M, only owed $1.25.
- As_I_See_It

Exactly.

If Clarkson and Phaneuf got moved, Marleau can be moved. It's just a matter of both parties coming to an agreement. If a player is told the team wants to move on, why would that player force the team to keep him if he's not part of their plans?
- JohnFergusonJr

Ask Sundin and get back to us on that will ya?!

Ask Sundin and get back to us on that will ya?!
- Roadrunner75

Marleau can secure his place on Legends Row on July 2........ If he wants it.

Ask Sundin and get back to us on that will ya?!
- Roadrunner75

Sundin, Tucker, Kaberle, McCabe and Kubina. (That was the NTC Muskoka 5 right?)

4 out of 5 got traded eventually.

I'll take my chances.

Let's also remember, Sundin had a much bigger legacy in Toronto and wasn't stopping other, young players from getting their money.

If Marleau is Marner's "daddy" as much as everybody says he is, he'll get out of the way and make sure the Leafs have the cap space to pay Marner what he deserves.

Every single hockey fan I know saw what the Tavares signing would do to the Leafs payroll. And then to exacerbate the situation, Kyle gets hosed by Nylander instead of dealing him for a defender. The sympathy level from other GM's will be less than zero if they feel they have Dubas by the short hairs. If any team takes Marleau's contract, it will be at a significant cost. First round pick is already gone. How many picks should he give up? Does any Leaf fan honestly expect the team to be improved next season? Really?? This is the new reality.
- Hardbalz

Uhh.. sir this is an Arby’s.

Colorado. Carolina. Islanders.

All 3 teams have cap space. All 3 teams made it to the 2nd round (or further). All 3 teams are budget teams.

Detroit and Arizona can take him too if he decides to retire.

Kapanen should stay. Rather trade Johnsson.
- JohnFergusonJr

Colorado has their own high priced RFA to sign in Rantanen, they don't need help getting to the floor.

Detroit isn't bathing in cap space either. 72 million already spoken for next year.

If Johnsson goes, Hyman is our best LW followed by drum roll Patty Marleau. I like Kappy but a 3rd line RW is easier to replace. Could be Bracco. Could be Korshkov, or the new Russian FA. We have no left wingers in the organization.

Colorado has their own high priced RFA to sign in Rantanen, they don't need help getting to the floor.

Detroit isn't bathing in cap space either. 72 million already spoken for next year.

If Johnsson goes, Hyman is our best LW followed by drum roll Patty Marleau. I like Kappy but a 3rd line RW is easier to replace. Could be Bracco. Could be Korshkov, or the new Russian FA. We have no left wingers in the organization.
- leafsfann

Colorado has 32 million, maybe 35 million in cap space. They'd be just fine.

Detroit has plenty of LTIR space. And their own fans have been here on these boards saying they'd take a bad contract if they can acquire draft picks.

Kapanen has speed and the Leafs need to keep that speed. He's got higher potential than all of those guys. Probably can play LW too if required.

Glad that I had my 3 hour nap earlier. I can watch this great overtime game. Too much work, not enough play(or pay) these days.

On the Marner, Kappy and Johnsson contracts, one of the lesser players might take a one year deal to make more money after the boat anchor retires in a year. It seems like Dubas is stockpiling cheaper, Europlayers to replace overpriced players like Brown, etc. Kapanen and Johnsson are expendable and if someone wants to offersheet Marner for 4 first rounders, then have at it! Nylander, the mercenary should also be moved out for cap space. The Leafs may step back a bit, for one year, so they can move forward in 2020/2021. Leafs need to prune the cap tree.

Colorado has 32 million, maybe 35 million in cap space. They'd be just fine.

Detroit has plenty of LTIR space. And their own fans have been here on these boards saying they'd take a bad contract if they can acquire draft picks.

Kapanen has speed and the Leafs need to keep that speed. He's got higher potential than all of those guys. Probably can play LW too if required.
- JohnFergusonJr

Ok, so now the question is.......

What is it going to cost to trade Marleau? A 2nd? A "B level" prospect? Brown? A combination thereof?

Ok, so now the question is.......

What is it going to cost to trade Marleau? A 2nd? A "B level" prospect? Brown? A combination thereof?
- As_I_See_It

As long as it isn't a 1st round pick or a top prospect (especially defense), I think it'd be worth it.

Marleau and a 3rd for Glendening solves two problems at once.

Whoever scores, it's going to be some stupid, triple deflection.

Probably Dallas because these playoffs are (frank)ed.

As long as it isn't a 1st round pick or a top prospect (especially defense), I think it'd be worth it.

Marleau and a 3rd for Glendening solves two problems at once.
- JohnFergusonJr

Yup that solves it... overpaid slow as hell old 4th liner to replace Marleau with and Babs can get a hard on he has a favorite to overplay all the time