Whoever scores, it's going to be some stupid, triple deflection.

Probably Dallas because these playoffs are (frank)ed.
- JohnFergusonJr

(frank) that, Thomas with a filthy goal instead.

Now that's an OT winner!

EDIT: Maroon with the greasy rebound goal.

But that move by Thomas made it all happen.

Yup that solves it... overpaid slow as hell old 4th liner to replace Marleau with and Babs can get a hard on he has a favorite to overplay all the time
- Roadrunner75

Glendening can play all 3 forward positions, wins face-offs, kills penalties and he's exactly who Babcock would want as his 4th line center.

But at least they'll be able to afford to keep Kapanen and Johnsson who have plenty of speed and can actually have a future with the team.

Marleau is fine on the 3rd line for one more year. There's really no reason to think that someone from the Marlies can come in, jump onto the third line and play a solid 2 way game the way he does. He still has decent speed and experience, unless a Marlie can come in and legit outplay him for that spot, he's fine for one more year.
- 13sundin13

This guy has said it perfectly

Marleau is fine on the 3rd line for one more year. There's really no reason to think that someone from the Marlies can come in, jump onto the third line and play a solid 2 way game the way he does. He still has decent speed and experience, unless a Marlie can come in and legit outplay him for that spot, he's fine for one more year.
- 13sundin13

Unfortunately, it's more about the cap and the ability to sign players for the future. Marleau's contract puts us in a bind and the production doesn't amount to the cap hit.

Marleau has been a good soldier, but if Dubas can move him then he absolutely should for the betterment of the team. No question. No hard feelings.

Unfortunately, it's more about the cap and the ability to sign players for the future. Marleau's contract puts us in a bind and the production doesn't amount to the cap hit.

Marleau has been a good soldier, but if Dubas can move him then he absolutely should for the betterment of the team. No question. No hard feelings.
- As_I_See_It

Leafs have roughly 16.1 million in cap space if the cap goes up to 83 million and put Horton on LTIR.

Marner will get at least 9, as much as 11. Let's say 10.

Kapanen and Johnsson will get anywhere between 2-4. Let's say 3 each.

That's 16 right there.

*12 forwards, *6 defense, 2 goalies.

(If you trade Brown and replace him with a Marlie making 1 million or less)

And leaves no room for improvement on defense or bottom six depth.

100% if 6.25 million in cap space appears, it's better for the team.

Leafs have roughly 16.1 million in cap space if the cap goes up to 83 million and put Horton on LTIR.

Marner will get at least 9, as much as 11. Let's say 10.

Kapanen and Johnsson will get anywhere between 2-4. Let's say 3 each.

That's 16 right there.

*12 forwards, *6 defense, 2 goalies.

(If you trade Brown and replace him with a Marlie making 1 million or less)

And leaves no room for improvement on defense or bottom six depth.

100% if 6.25 million in cap space appears, it's better for the team.
- JohnFergusonJr

As much as you want Marleau gone, he will stay.

Nylander - Kapanen - Johnsson - Brown all are candidates that will be moved earlier than Marleau. Whether that's a right decision or not, we can have long discussions about - but it is reality.

In any case, after this season Dermott will need a new contract. He will be in the 4million category for sure. Muzzin's contract runs out as well after next season. So it's not as if Leafs can get rid of Marleau, keep Kapanen (3.5mln?), Johnsson (2.5mln?), Brown, Nylander, and then assume all is well for next years on salary cap.

the rational thing to do is to trade Nylander (or Kadri) for a young defender who's still on an first contract.
Keep Marleau and Brown, and try to keep Kapanen en Johnsson.
Then after next season, use Marleau's capspace to cover the difference on the Dermott and Muzzin contracts.

If Johnsson is looking for a contract over 3mln, he'll be gone in my opinion.

Every single hockey fan I know saw what the Tavares signing would do to the Leafs payroll. And then to exacerbate the situation, Kyle gets hosed by Nylander instead of dealing him for a defender. The sympathy level from other GM's will be less than zero if they feel they have Dubas by the short hairs. If any team takes Marleau's contract, it will be at a significant cost. First round pick is already gone. How many picks should he give up? Does any Leaf fan honestly expect the team to be improved next season? Really?? This is the new reality.
- Hardbalz

Oh no we added Tavares aw bro what a drag lolololol suck my balls

Glendening can play all 3 forward positions, wins face-offs, kills penalties and he's exactly who Babcock would want as his 4th line center.

But at least they'll be able to afford to keep Kapanen and Johnsson who have plenty of speed and can actually have a future with the team.
- JohnFergusonJr

3 more years at 1.8? Blah. I'll agree that we could use a player like him,but the reality of this team going forward is we cannot commit more than 3 million to the entire 4th line from now until the next time they blow it up.

This guy has said it perfectly
- TOGENIUS

no he didnt.

Ennis scored 12 goals in 51 games for under 700k.
You can easily replace Marleau and his what 12-13 goals he will get (with PP time)

last season Marleau had 11 5v5 goal and Ennis 10

He will almost certainly decline, what he brings can very easily be replaced by 700k

That said, he is not going anywhere unless he want to. he has to play ball. which based on his comments so far, doesnt seem likley.

Every single hockey fan I know saw what the Tavares signing would do to the Leafs payroll. And then to exacerbate the situation, Kyle gets hosed by Nylander instead of dealing him for a defender. The sympathy level from other GM's will be less than zero if they feel they have Dubas by the short hairs. If any team takes Marleau's contract, it will be at a significant cost. First round pick is already gone. How many picks should he give up? Does any Leaf fan honestly expect the team to be improved next season? Really?? This is the new reality.
- Hardbalz

So Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Nylander etc have all peaked? That is unfortunate that they team wont improve.

Great game by raptors.
Avengers endgame....meh

Bozak playing well and off to the conference finals

Every single hockey fan I know saw what the Tavares signing would do to the Leafs payroll. And then to exacerbate the situation, Kyle gets hosed by Nylander instead of dealing him for a defender. The sympathy level from other GM's will be less than zero if they feel they have Dubas by the short hairs. If any team takes Marleau's contract, it will be at a significant cost. First round pick is already gone. How many picks should he give up? Does any Leaf fan honestly expect the team to be improved next season? Really?? This is the new reality.
- Hardbalz

Boy will you guys ever be proven wrong by this nonsense. 6.9 per is getting "Hosed"? 1 time 50 point NHL players are now getting almost 6 million (Arizona just did this but no one cares).

Trading Nylander for some 2nd pairing D is such a Chiarelli/Edmonton move.Why trade Nylabder for that when you can get a Muzzin without subtracting from your roster like Dubas did?

Yes, Leafs will be better because you are ignoring the Marlies. I truly believe the D will be better next season. Dubas is already quietly doing a superb job of signing depth players for cheap.

Marnera nd Matthews are 21, Nylander 22. Yes, they are just getting started.

Glendening can play all 3 forward positions, wins face-offs, kills penalties and he's exactly who Babcock would want as his 4th line center.

But at least they'll be able to afford to keep Kapanen and Johnsson who have plenty of speed and can actually have a future with the team.
- JohnFergusonJr

The issue with having the coach we do is that tells me Glendening gets used too much at the expense of our franchise players.

Oh no we added Tavares aw bro what a drag lolololol suck my balls
- Zezel

One heck of a good argument you put forward. Nothing bright to say so I'll post like I'm drunk. Well thought out

Great game by raptors.
Avengers endgame....meh

Bozak playing well and off to the conference finals
- Fakepartofme

But...but..but...Bozak is crap, let him walk, like many Leafs fans wanted. He's a decent third line center. We could have had him for what Kadri is making and moved Kadri for picks or to shore up the defense. Kadri taking his suspension might have cost the Leafs a trip to the conference final. But that's past history.

Now the Leafs enter cap hell, with no playoff success, a rookie, now sophomore GM and a great big hole on the right side of the defense. Our forwards are small, three clamoring for big money contracts and a backup goalie who's putrid. I see a small regression in the Leafs this year. Not enough to miss the playoffs, but enough that they'll be pushed from the pack behind.

Tavares is BY FAR the best UFA signing since Neidemeyer. End of argument.
You NEVER see guys like Tavares available. You sign him 10 out of 10 times.

But...but..but...Bozak is crap, let him walk, like many Leafs fans wanted. He's a decent third line center. We could have had him for what Kadri is making and moved Kadri for picks or to shore up the defense. Kadri taking his suspension might have cost the Leafs a trip to the conference final. But that's past history.

Now the Leafs enter cap hell, with no playoff success, a rookie, now sophomore GM and a great big hole on the right side of the defense. Our forwards are small, three clamoring for big money contracts and a backup goalie who's putrid. I see a small regression in the Leafs this year. Not enough to miss the playoffs, but enough that they'll be pushed from the pack behind.
- PrinceLH

I am sure you thought this last summer. Why keep Bozak for 5 million per? That makes zero sense.
I wish Dubas haters would admit the cap concerns are due to Lou.

Boy will you guys ever be proven wrong by this nonsense. 6.9 per is getting "Hosed"? 1 time 50 point NHL players are now getting almost 6 million (Arizona just did this but no one cares).

Trading Nylander for some 2nd pairing D is such a Chiarelli/Edmonton move.Why trade Nylabder for that when you can get a Muzzin without subtracting from your roster like Dubas did?

Yes, Leafs will be better because you are ignoring the Marlies. I truly believe the D will be better next season. Dubas is already quietly doing a superb job of signing depth players for cheap.

Marnera nd Matthews are 21, Nylander 22. Yes, they are just getting started.
- RogerRoeper

please be consistent.

either a. Nylander is a very good player worth 6.9mln AAV
or
b. Nylander is worth a 2nd pairing D-man

can't use both in same argument.

please be consistent.

either a. Nylander is a very good player worth 6.9mln AAV
or
b. Nylander is worth a 2nd pairing D-man

can't use both in same argument.
- MaximusAurelius

Since I am going by NHL trade market value, I am being consistent. We have seen Hart winners traded for 2nd pair Ds.

Boy will you guys ever be proven wrong by this nonsense. 6.9 per is getting "Hosed"? 1 time 50 point NHL players are now getting almost 6 million (Arizona just did this but no one cares).

Trading Nylander for some 2nd pairing D is such a Chiarelli/Edmonton move.Why trade Nylabder for that when you can get a Muzzin without subtracting from your roster like Dubas did?

Yes, Leafs will be better because you are ignoring the Marlies. I truly believe the D will be better next season. Dubas is already quietly doing a superb job of signing depth players for cheap.

Marnera nd Matthews are 21, Nylander 22. Yes, they are just getting started.
- RogerRoeper

the Video posted the other day there Bob Mckenzie is talking about the Nylander Deal and negotiations should be posted every day.

He throws out a realistic best case scenario was Nylander around 6.5 cap (close to Pastrnak), and he ended up with a 6.9 cap.

Or at least thats what the Leafs were hoping to come in at when the deal was done, he paid 400k more

It was pay that or he doesnt play. He made a decisions to have him in the Lineup this season, it didnt work as everyone hoped. It happens, but it was still a decent risk to take at the time.

the Video posted the other day there Bob Mckenzie is talking about the Nylander Deal and negotiations should be posted every day.

He throws out a realistic best case scenario was Nylander around 6.5 cap (close to Pastrnak), and he ended up with a 6.9 cap.

Or at least thats what the Leafs were hoping to come in at when the deal was done, he paid 400k more

It was pay that or he doesnt play. He made a decisions to have him in the Lineup this season, it didnt work as everyone hoped. It happens, but it was still a decent risk to take at the time.
- senstroll

It was perfect.

Go Bob!

the Video posted the other day there Bob Mckenzie is talking about the Nylander Deal and negotiations should be posted every day.

He throws out a realistic best case scenario was Nylander around 6.5 cap (close to Pastrnak), and he ended up with a 6.9 cap.

Or at least thats what the Leafs were hoping to come in at when the deal was done, he paid 400k more

It was pay that or he doesnt play. He made a decisions to have him in the Lineup this season, it didnt work as everyone hoped. It happens, but it was still a decent risk to take at the time.
- senstroll

And Nylander did not want 6.9 originally, make no mistake. He wanted the Draisaitl deal.

I find it odd Nylander goes from 8.5 to 6.9 and actually calls Dubas at the last minute to sign and Dubas is the one who got hosed.Did anyone expect Nylander to get anywhere less than about 6.5 per? He had numbers the same as Drai and Patrnak when they signed their deals.

I also find it odd NYlander's deal is seen as some horrific cap mistake yet the real issue is Lou's deals. Zaitsev and Marleau are only going to make 200K less than Tavres next season!

So Matthews, Marner, Rielly, Nylander etc have all peaked? That is unfortunate that they team wont improve.
- drexel

yes - window has slammed shut

yes - window has slammed shut
- BorjeFan4Ever

Injuring Glassthews in the process.

One heck of a good argument you put forward. Nothing bright to say so I'll post like I'm drunk. Well thought out
- Hardbalz

We have cap considerations this year. We have Tavares for six more years. Think about it.