Injuring Glassthews in the process.
- Scabeh

His Willy?

And Nylander did not want 6.9 originally, make no mistake. He wanted the Draisaitl deal.

I find it odd Nylander goes from 8.5 to 6.9 and actually calls Dubas at the last minute to sign and Dubas is the one who got hosed.Did anyone expect Nylander to get anywhere less than about 6.5 per? He had numbers the same as Drai and Patrnak when they signed their deals.
- RogerRoeper

at this point none of that matters ...

what matters is that the club has to decide where it wants to allocate its limited CAP space.

clearly the following are more impactful/important players than Nylander (at forward) (PLEASE NOTE I DIDN'T SAY TALENTED)
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Hyman
Kapanen
Kadri

argue it all you want... he's not as important as those guys.... so you move a guy who's not that important to address a need somewhere else. Nylander's crap season only compounds things for the Leafs, he'd still be a valuable commodity for many other teams, where his significance would be much more apparent.



Depends what they want to do on the back end and who you believe in terms of how much $$ Marner, Johnsson, and Kapanen will get.

Hypothetically ....if Marner gets 9.5, Kapanen 3.0, and Johnsson 2.5 they probably have to move two contracts. They'd be about $1.7 over the Cap with a defenceman to add.

Marleau doesn't sound like he's going anywhere ...NZ sounds like a long shot and they'd probably have to eat money and replace him meaning are the savings even worth it? Maybe ...

I don't Kadri being dealt. Nylander would equate to instant cap freedom b/c of his $$ but I think they only do it if they get a deal they can't refuse.

Brown is the easiest to move. You replace him with a min. wage earner and you've saved about $1.2.

I think the easiest route is likely that Brown and one of Kapanen/Johnsson get moved. That'd leave them with about 3.5 to sign a dman and 3rd line fwd.

Maybe toss some 1 yr performance bonus laden deals at a couple of 35+ types to fill in those holes.
- The Law


Nylander + Zaitsev + Horton's contract (1 yr left)
Ceci + Jaros + 2nd round pick + Wolanin

or

Nylander
Ristolainen + Tage Thompson

Johnsson to CBJ
Josh Anderson

or

Johnsson and Holl to EDM
Adam Larsson

His Willy?
- 21peter

You could hear him scream: "SON OF A MITCH!"

Since I am going by NHL trade market value, I am being consistent. We have seen Hart winners traded for 2nd pair Ds.
- RogerRoeper

so you're saying Dubas = Chiarelli??
that's a lot of comfort...

But...but..but...Bozak is crap, let him walk, like many Leafs fans wanted. He's a decent third line center. We could have had him for what Kadri is making and moved Kadri for picks or to shore up the defense. Kadri taking his suspension might have cost the Leafs a trip to the conference final. But that's past history.

Now the Leafs enter cap hell, with no playoff success, a rookie, now sophomore GM and a great big hole on the right side of the defense. Our forwards are small, three clamoring for big money contracts and a backup goalie who's putrid. I see a small regression in the Leafs this year. Not enough to miss the playoffs, but enough that they'll be pushed from the pack behind.
- PrinceLH

Can you and Max go start your own thread somewhere?

Can you and Max go start your own thread somewhere?
- TheMussel

can you go and gently (frank) yourself?

can you go and gently (frank) yourself?
- MaximusAurelius

c'mon, it'd be fine

you guys can have a thread where you dutch rudder each other while whispering things like "fire dubas" and "virtue signal"

Tavares is BY FAR the best UFA signing since Neidemeyer. End of argument.
You NEVER see guys like Tavares available. You sign him 10 out of 10 times.
- RogerRoeper

It'll be fun when you're riding Tavares like you are Marleau. Can't wait.

c'mon, it'd be fine

you guys can have a thread where you dutch rudder each other while whispering things like "fire dubas" and "virtue signal"
- TheMussel

Tavares' contract ends at age 34. That's 4 years younger than when Marleau started his deal.

so you're saying Dubas = Chiarelli??
that's a lot of comfort...
- MaximusAurelius

Go by the rumours. None of the deals sounded interesting for Nylander. No big top pair Ds.
Wingers have less trade value than D.

Tavares' contract ends at age 34. That's 4 years younger than when Marleau started his deal.
- RogerRoeper

Marleau still skates better now then JT ever has, we'll see.

Marleau still skates better now then JT ever has, we'll see.
- Garnie

Skating is only one factor. Marleau is horrific at everything but skating.

Go by the rumours. None of the deals sounded interesting for Nylander. No big top pair Ds.
Wingers have less trade value than D.
- RogerRoeper

Only rumour I liked was Hamilton, can't think of any others off hand.

Only rumour I liked was Hamilton, can't think of any others off hand.
- Garnie

Samheim, Montour, Pesce (I do like him, but he has an incredible D partner)

Go by the rumours. None of the deals sounded interesting for Nylander. No big top pair Ds.
Wingers have less trade value than D.
- RogerRoeper

and that's the reason why I said last Summer that Nylander should be traded for a LW for Matthews' line. A LW that is actually helping Matthews out instead of the other way around.

and that's the reason why I said last Summer that Nylander should be traded for a LW for Matthews' line. A LW that is actually helping Matthews out instead of the other way around.
- MaximusAurelius

Matthews produces more with Nylander.

Skating is only one factor. Marleau is horrific at everything but skating.
- RogerRoeper

Calling him horrific makes you look like a little kid, sure he's overpaid but he could still play a role on this team, 3/4 line depending how he's going. Yelling it 200x/day on the internet is not going to change his salary unfortunately. Just live with it and cheer that he has a good year. Maybe he does take a trade/buyout and resign for us....who knows.

Matthews produces more with Nylander.
- RogerRoeper

Matthews

Year 1 - .84/gm

Year 2 - 1.02/gm

Year 3 - 1.07/gm

But...but..but...Bozak is crap, let him walk, like many Leafs fans wanted. He's a decent third line center. We could have had him for what Kadri is making and moved Kadri for picks or to shore up the defense. Kadri taking his suspension might have cost the Leafs a trip to the conference final. But that's past history.

Now the Leafs enter cap hell, with no playoff success, a rookie, now sophomore GM and a great big hole on the right side of the defense. Our forwards are small, three clamoring for big money contracts and a backup goalie who's putrid. I see a small regression in the Leafs this year. Not enough to miss the playoffs, but enough that they'll be pushed from the pack behind.
- PrinceLH

I didnt mind bozak, but he had to go. Needed space for JT. No question.

Samheim, Montour, Pesce (I do like him, but he has an incredible D partner)
- RogerRoeper

Those are guys you'd trade Willie for?

And Nylander did not want 6.9 originally, make no mistake. He wanted the Draisaitl deal.

I find it odd Nylander goes from 8.5 to 6.9 and actually calls Dubas at the last minute to sign and Dubas is the one who got hosed.Did anyone expect Nylander to get anywhere less than about 6.5 per? He had numbers the same as Drai and Patrnak when they signed their deals.

I also find it odd NYlander's deal is seen as some horrific cap mistake yet the real issue is Lou's deals. Zaitsev and Marleau are only going to make 200K less than Tavres next season!
- RogerRoeper

its the low hanging Fruit and the easy person to pick.

Also Marleau is very likable, and people are willing to overlook things when they like a player like PM.

NZ is different, people are all over the board with him.

c'mon, it'd be fine

you guys can have a thread where you dutch rudder each other while whispering things like "fire dubas" and "virtue signal"
- TheMussel

Someone's giving out dutch rudders?

Sign me up.

at this point none of that matters ...

what matters is that the club has to decide where it wants to allocate its limited CAP space.

clearly the following are more impactful/important players than Nylander (at forward) (PLEASE NOTE I DIDN'T SAY TALENTED)
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Hyman
Kapanen
Kadri

argue it all you want... he's not as important as those guys.... so you move a guy who's not that important to address a need somewhere else. Nylander's crap season only compounds things for the Leafs, he'd still be a valuable commodity for many other teams, where his significance would be much more apparent.



Depends what they want to do on the back end and who you believe in terms of how much $$ Marner, Johnsson, and Kapanen will get.

Hypothetically ....if Marner gets 9.5, Kapanen 3.0, and Johnsson 2.5 they probably have to move two contracts. They'd be about $1.7 over the Cap with a defenceman to add.

Marleau doesn't sound like he's going anywhere ...NZ sounds like a long shot and they'd probably have to eat money and replace him meaning are the savings even worth it? Maybe ...

I don't Kadri being dealt. Nylander would equate to instant cap freedom b/c of his $$ but I think they only do it if they get a deal they can't refuse.

Brown is the easiest to move. You replace him with a min. wage earner and you've saved about $1.2.

I think the easiest route is likely that Brown and one of Kapanen/Johnsson get moved. That'd leave them with about 3.5 to sign a dman and 3rd line fwd.

Maybe toss some 1 yr performance bonus laden deals at a couple of 35+ types to fill in those holes.
- The Law


Nylander + Zaitsev + Horton's contract (1 yr left)
Ceci + Jaros + 2nd round pick + Wolanin

or

Nylander
Ristolainen + Tage Thompson

Johnsson to CBJ
Josh Anderson

or

Johnsson and Holl to EDM
Adam Larsson
- BorjeFan4Ever

lol you want Ceci

oh wait, I didnt read further ... and Ristolainen

gross, and you hate willie ..wtf

its the low hanging Fruit and the easy person to pick.

Also Marleau is very likable, and people are willing to overlook things when they like a player like PM.

NZ is different, people are all over the board with him.
- senstroll

Nylanders likeable, I think PM's on his way out and gets a little more rope I guess. Plus it's 1 more year MAX so most just shrug their shoulders. Pretty sure we all planned on 5 years of pain but lots are crying after year 3....strange really.

Since I am going by NHL trade market value, I am being consistent. We have seen Hart winners traded for 2nd pair Ds.
- RogerRoeper

He wasn't a hart winner at the time he was traded.
It was a chia trade. A one off. Doesnt even factor in.