There is absolutely NO way for anyone to know what kind of value a Geno trade could return. I'm certainly NOT saying the Pens Should trade him, but I have said they should look into it. We all know that at times, OTHER teams can make not-so-great moves. You all are just collecting hockey cards, and if you have your way, the entire core will retire as Penguins, and they'll win barely 30 games until they all retire.
Dumb.
- Cousinskrid

some here think a fair value is MCD + 200 1sts and salary retained on MCD.

Pens should explore it to see what the market is. They have 5 players that will be 32+ starting hte season next year. They all are tied up for a long time. I dont think it would be wise to have all of them hanging around till they expire.

some here think a fair value is MCD + 200 1sts and salary retained on MCD.

Pens should explore it to see what the market is. They have 5 players that will be 32+ starting hte season next year. They all are tied up for a long time. I dont think it would be wise to have all of them hanging around till they expire.
- sammy87

Thank you.

There have been responses posted here with as many as 5 Penguins 'core' members retiring as Penguins. Silly. Their cards will be flapping on my kids' bicycle tires LONG before that. Sid is the only Pen that should retire as a Pen.

I agree with your other points so I will just address this... I am not an expert on the Bolts but it's a little different situation.

Kuch and Stamkos are much younger than Malkin and Kessel and Tampa has a number of really good young players. They are closer to the Pens 4-5 years ago where they likely need tweaks or that one extra guy.

The Pens have no depth, no cap space and next to no quality prospects. They do have two "stars" who try when they feel like it (not that often this season) and are getting old. One can fix the other.
- MacPatty

I understand your logic, but consider these points:

1. The Tampa example had nothing to do with players' age or the team's cap situation. That team was the best regular season team in the last 23 years and got embarrassed in the first round. They don't need tweaks or "that one extra guy". The unpredictability is part of what everyone loves about the NHL playoffs, and that entails good teams getting beat by inferior teams on a regular basis.

2. While I don't support a roster overhaul or any rash decisions, I don't have any problem with them testing the waters on a Kessel trade. I've always viewed him as very valuable to the team, but there is no question that his game is one-dimensional. His playoff performances have been stellar (including this one), but if they could flip him to a contending team for a 20-goal winger and a 3-4 defensemen with comparable cap hits, I'd listen. There is low probability that a deal like that exists though, hence the "trading any stars is a mistake" comment. 71 and 58 are way too dynamic that your best case scenario in a trade is a lateral move with present or future, which is too late for at this point, returns. Therefore why piss off at least half your fan base by trading players that will have their numbers hanging from the rafters one day. Bad business decision.

3. RW and many on this blog agreed that the Pens were playing their best hockey going into the playoffs, and now want to implode the roster because they got swept in a playoff format where such things happen to good teams all the time. If this were 2014-15, and this same thing had been happening for over half a decade, bring on the implosion talks. That year should be as good an example as any though. Perhaps a splash signing/trade involving a guy pretty high up the depth chart (Kessel/Horny) is made. The main thing that needs done though is some slight tweaking at the bottom and mid level of the depth chart, and they can be right back in the ECF/SCF conversation next season. I'd be looking at Horny, Bug, Maatta, JJ, and Guddy to move/shed and that's all.

IMO the teams main problem is JR. Ripping your players in the press to motivate them, not committing to the job security of a franchise icon, and shedding blame for an early playoff exit on the team, and not taking any responsibility for team morale/chemistry after the bs he spews in the press and the erratic decisions made in constructing the roster are very troubling for me. They're not consistent with the character and poise of #66, which should be traits our entire organization embodies. The "egomaniac" part of RW's blog is spot on, and it should worry fans. We can debate what the right moves are, but I don't think anyone here has any hope that the right roster moves will be made. We just hope JR gets lucky when making his random, gut decisions this summer.

There is a lot of things wrong with this blog. 1. Pretty sure Rutherford isn’t waging a war on Malkin. Pretty sure he was asked if Malkin was safe and he said he couldn’t answer that at this time.
2. Johnson was a healthy scratch for game1. Obviously they see something wrong.
3. Malkin gets paid a lot of money to play hockey. Expecting him to somewhat listen to the coach and play within a system isn’t “picking” on Malkin. Probably time he grows up and does his job.
4. You stat Nancys f Ucking over react to everything.
- Grinder47

Your ability to only see things in black & white is pretty astounding....

1) He should be able to answer because you don't trade a generational talent. Especially one who's been a HUGE part of bringing you THREE (frank)ING STANLEY CUPS and much regular season success. You figure out what's going on and try the fix the problems around him.

2) Wrong. It's entirely possible they view Maatta as the issue. We all know Dumo, Tanger and Schultz are not getting benched. It's entirely possible they viewed the Pettersson/Guds pairing as strong and didn't want to break them up. If JJ was the player they saw a problem with they wouldn't have sat Maatta for three games after one bad game and keep JJ in the lineup while he played horrendous hockey.

3) Yeah, he's never done his job before. Good story.

4) Another good story.

Thank you.

There have been responses posted here with as many as 5 Penguins 'core' members retiring as Penguins. Silly. Their cards will be flapping on my kids' bicycle tires LONG before that. Sid is the only Pen that should retire as a Pen.
- Cousinskrid

Throw in JJ and thats 6 players tied up to their late 30's making $3+.

Problem with Letang is getting a replacement and Maata most likely is gone this year, probably not re-signing Shultz so IDK.

How did ANA feel about Sprong this year? He had 14G there, was he any good or lucky?

Thank you.

There have been responses posted here with as many as 5 Penguins 'core' members retiring as Penguins. Silly. Their cards will be flapping on my kids' bicycle tires LONG before that. Sid is the only Pen that should retire as a Pen.
- Cousinskrid

This is dumb

You ability to only see things in black & white is pretty astounding....

1) He should be able to answer because you don't trade a generational talent. Especially one who's been a HUGE part of bringing you THREE (frank)ING STANLEY CUPS and much regular season success. You figure out what's going on and try the fix the problems around him.

2) Wrong. It's entirely possible they view Maatta as the issue. We all know Dumo, Tanger and Schultz are not getting benched. It's entirely possible the viewed the Pettersson/Guds pairing as strong and didn't want to break them up. If JJ was the player they saw a problem with they wouldn't have sat Maatta for three games after one bad game and keep JJ in the lineup while he played horrendous hockey.

3) Yeah, he's never done his job before. Good story.

4) Another good story.
- Rinosaur

How many generational talents are still in the playoffs?

I think this makes the Pens better today and massively better positioned for the future. I mean, what's the benchmark? The Pens won 0 playoff games this year with the current roster. I guarantee you they would win at least one with the moves I suggested.
- MacPatty

Nah. You’re dumb.

How many generational talents are still in the playoffs?
- sammy87

You're right. If they lose that means you move them. You guys should have a club .

Part of me hopes they trade Malkin so they can see what this team looks like with an actual 2nd line center having Jack Johnson trying to help create offense for them.

Part of me hopes they trade Malkin so they can see what this team looks like with an actual 2nd line center having Jack Johnson trying to help create offense for them.
- Rinosaur

Might as well tank for Lafreniere

And I think you have to be an idiot if you can't see beyond a players name. Even more so if you can't look into the near future and see a further drop off coming.

Trading two guys who put up about 50 even strength points, a cap anchor and #21 and getting back a 1/2 LD, two top 6 wingers, a high upside LD for the bottom pair, a great young prospect who would contribute this year and the #13 pick who you would expect to be in the lineup in 2-3 years is a major win if you ask me.

People are just too emotionally attached to names and what guys used to be rather than what they are about to be in 1,2,3 years.
- MacPatty

If a player is scoring 50 even strength points a season, that is top line production, dummy. You don’t trade that away. That’s retarded.

Might as well tank for Lafreniere
- Feds91Stammer

Is he the 2020 consensus? Haven't heard of him yet.

There is absolutely NO way for anyone to know what kind of value a Geno trade could return. I'm certainly NOT saying the Pens Should trade him, but I have said they should look into it. We all know that at times, OTHER teams can make not-so-great moves. You all are just collecting hockey cards, and if you have your way, the entire core will retire as Penguins, and they'll win barely 30 games until they all retire. And then y'all will REALLY be female dogging it.

Geno didn't earn his salary any better than JJ did this season (which is GMJR's fault, not JJs) Oh yeah... I keep forgetting... this is JJs fault too.
Dumb.
- Cousinskrid

Geno put up 72 points in 68 games. He earned his salary easily.

You're right. If they lose that means you move them. You guys should have a club .
- Rinosaur

Mario and JR are going to have to make tough decisions. You cant improve the roster by moving Rust at best or Maata. They dont free up much space and they also dont bring much back either. If I had to bet Maata and Kessel get moved. If I were JR I would be testing the value for Malkin though.

Is he the 2020 consensus? Haven't heard of him yet.
- Rinosaur

Thought you had internet access?

Is he the 2020 consensus? Haven't heard of him yet.
- Rinosaur

He was tied for 2nd in points in the Q this season. Better prospect than Hughes.

Mario and JR are going to have to make tough decisions. You cant improve the roster by moving Rust at best or Maata. They dont free up much space and they also dont bring much back either. If I had to bet Maata and Kessel get moved. If I were JR I would be testing the value for Malkin though.
- sammy87

The decisions are actually pretty easy. It’s really tough at all.

He was tied for 2nd in points in the Q this season. Better prospect than Hughes.
- Feds91Stammer

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The Pens defense next season is almost certain to look like this:

Dumo/Letang
Johnson/Schultz
Pettersson/Gudbranson

If you trade Malkin and think you're getting back someone like Kopitar, Ryjo, Seguin, etc... you're 100% delusional. At least those guys might have a sporting chance of generating 70% of what Malkin did saddled with Johnson.

If you trade Malkin, your 2nd line center is going to be the likes of Turris and Trocheck. Solid players, but they aren't going to be able to drive 50% of what Malkin currently does.

Thought you had internet access?
- Feds91Stammer

What's the intranets?

The Penguins should trade a 32-year-old superstar to a rebuilding team for multiple integral pieces of that team's rebuild.

What's the intranets?
- Rinosaur

http://www.pornhub.com

The Penguins should trade a 32-year-old superstar to a rebuilding team for multiple integral pieces of that team's rebuild.
- jmatchett383

Agreed.

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- jmatchett383

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